Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[White-rhino]

Last Intrade Price: 41.0 (fell off a cliff)

I'm now officially calling the race.

California marijuana legalization initiative on Nov 2010 ballot will. go. down. in. flames!

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=702407&z=1278701465796

Its too bad really. But oh well, I jettisoned that state 20 years ago. What happens there stays there (for me).

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

To all of you Nay sayers, just remember who you will be lining up with to help try and defeat Prop 19, you will be joining the coalition of police, CHP, DEA, Narcs, Prison Guards, NIDA staff, Prohibitionists, DARE, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Police Chiefs Association, and a whole lot more of the same minded people.
It is scary to say the least to think of who you will be voting NO with,
maybe that could tell you something is really wrong?
That growers will help defeat a bill to legalize Cannabis is just unbelievable to me.
-SamS

 

[markscastle]

To all of you Nay sayers, just remember who you will be lining up with to help try and defeat Prop 19, you will be joining the coalition of police, CHP, DEA, Narcs, Prison Guards, NIDA staff, Prohibitionists, DARE, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Police Chiefs Association, and a whole lot more of the same minded people.
It is scary to say the least to think of who you will be voting NO with,
maybe that could tell you something is really wrong?
That growers will help defeat a bill to legalize Cannabis is just unbelievable to me.
-SamS

Maybe we will be voting along with all those pigs, but not for the same reason! I`m just as suprized they aren`t jumping to vote yes on prop 19! All that Tax money Controls, Regulations and they even get two more MJ laws to enforce and bust people for!

 

[Smoke Buddy]

To all of you Nay sayers, just remember who you will be lining up with to help try and defeat Prop 19, you will be joining the coalition of police, CHP, DEA, Narcs, Prison Guards, NIDA staff, Prohibitionists, DARE, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Police Chiefs Association, and a whole lot more of the same minded people.
It is scary to say the least to think of who you will be voting NO with,
maybe that could tell you something is really wrong?
That growers will help defeat a bill to legalize Cannabis is just unbelievable to me.
-SamS

By that same logic, you are aligned with big business and tax and regulate big government while simultaniously putting a bunch of growers out on the street as there are very few jobs here.

 

[markscastle]

"Not ingesting marijuana can lead to a disfuntional phycological effect on the brain that tends to manifest it`s self with unrealistic conservitive views and delutions of being normal.Further studies should be conducted on habitual non marijuana users to detrmine how the lack of stimulation of THC reseptors,which are clearly involved with THC reactors in the brain ,causes harm from the lack of THC in the system and corrupts the brains normal functions". Note Excert; US Surgeon General, Goverment health studies Vol. 420 ,citra 3010 A.D.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

By that same logic, you are aligned with big business and tax and regulate big government while simultaniously putting a bunch of growers out on the street as there are very few jobs here.

If aligning with big business and tax and regulate big government while simultaniously putting a bunch of growers out on the street as there are very few jobs here, will legalize and Tax and Regulate the recreational Cannabis industry, damn right I will.

I say it is a small price to pay to end the madness of the last 70 years, just in the USA there are over 800,000 annual Cannabis arrests, I don't even know the world total, think of the lives ruined, these are our brothers as much as any grower, or more in some cases.
I would never support a vote that was endorsed by the coalition of PIGS and Prohibitionists that are fighting Prop 19, I guess you have no problems with it?

I do feel sorry for any growers that are displaced but, this is much more important, anyone should see that unless you are blinded by something.

-SamS

 

[215forLife]

To say we are voting with pigs et al. is a common scare tactic used during the McCarthy era called Red Baiting.

Red-baiting Red-baiting is the act of accusing, denouncing, attacking or persecuting an[ 1] ndividual or group as communist,[ 1] socialist, or anarchist, or sympathic ndividual or group as communist, socialist, or anarchist, or sympathic[ 2] toward communism,[ 2] socialism, or anarchism. The word " red" in "red- socialism, or anarchism. The word " red" in "red-[ 3] baiting" is derived from the red flag signifying radical left-wing politics.[ 3][ 1] The term "red-baiting" dates to at least 1928.[ 1] In United States history, red-baiting is most often associated with In United States history, red-baiting is most often associated with red-baiting is most often associated with McCarthyism, which had its origins n the two historic Red Scare periods of the 1920s ( First Red Scare) and[ 4] 1950s ( Second Red Scare).[ 4]

That's from wikipedia,..

 

[krunchbubble]

If aligning with big business and tax and regulate big government while simultaniously putting a bunch of growers out on the street as there are very few jobs here, will legalize and Tax and Regulate the recreational Cannabis industry, damn right I will.

I say it is a small price to pay to end the madness of the last 70 years, just in the USA there are over 800,000 annual Cannabis arrests, I don't even know the world total, think of the lives ruined, these are our brothers as much as any grower, or more in some cases.
I would never support a vote that was endorsed by the coalition of PIGS and Prohibitionists that are fighting Prop 19, I guess you have no problems with it?

I do feel sorry for any growers that are displaced but, this is much more important, anyone should see that unless you are blinded by something.

-SamS

wow! just lost all and total respect for you.........

 

[markscastle]

So you think all those people who have been fighting `our side of the war` on drugs did this for a krappy law that doesn`t even let anyone out from behind bars and includes two new laws to be used against marijuana users?

 

[Smoke Buddy]

Actually, I was just pointing out that that type of comment is silly. I dont buy the association any more than I think you are for taxing, big government and big business taking control of this truely thriving cottage industry... and Im not talking about the illegals in the NF growing thousands of plants... Im talking about the rest of us with a back room grow, legally making ends meet in this crappy economy.

If aligning with big business and tax and regulate big government while simultaniously putting a bunch of growers out on the street as there are very few jobs here.

I say it is a small price to pay to end the madness of the last 70 years, just in the USA there are over 800,000 annual Cannabis arrests, I don't even know the world total, think of the lives ruined, these are our brothers as much as any grower, or more in some cases. I would never support a vote that was endorsed by the coalition of PIGS and Prohibitionists that are fighting Prop 19, I guess you have no problems with it?
I do feel sorry for any growers that are displaced but, this is much more important, anyone should see that unless you are blinded by something.

-SamS

 

[krunchbubble]

To all of you Nay sayers, just remember who you will be lining up with to help try and defeat Prop 19, you will be joining the coalition of police, CHP, DEA, Narcs, Prison Guards, NIDA staff, Prohibitionists, DARE, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Police Chiefs Association, and a whole lot more of the same minded people.
It is scary to say the least to think of who you will be voting NO with,
maybe that could tell you something is really wrong?
That growers will help defeat a bill to legalize Cannabis is just unbelievable to me.
-SamS

i am voting no, along with many breeders and professional growers, the bigger dogs, you forgot us.......

and we are more then willing to dump how ever much cash it takes to make sure that this proposition does not pass......

 

[markscastle]

Don`t forget the medical users,the voters between 18-20 and thoughs of us who won`t compromise not letting people out of jail and making two new laws for LEO to use against marijuana users!

Prop 19 was sunk before it sailed if you ask me cause it just doesn`t have a wide enough support group to make it!

 

[markscastle]

You can start dumping cash here if you like! LOL!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I probably have as many grower friends as anyone on this site, maybe a lot more.
That said I refuse to allow that to change my mind that Tax and Regulation, legalization of recreational Cannabis is much more important, and truly feel sad that so much of the Cannabis community seems to feel so threatened by recreational legalization and what it will entail.
I know I will not change many of your minds, but I did try, and do believe it is wrong to vote No on Prop 19.
I think if you do some deep soul searching I really don't see how many could vote NO but maybe I am just wrong about assuming that.
People that grow and smoke Cannabis will help defeat a legalization of recreational Cannabis, I am really dumbfounded but I did expect some of this type of behavior, I can remember growers in Calif telling me 30+ years ago that they hoped Cannabis never got legalized, as they made their living from it being illegal.
I guess not much has changed, just a lot more growers, what can I say?

-SamS

 

[joe fresh]

the way i see it there are alot more smokers than growers, so hopefully they will have the last word.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

crunchbubble, "wow! just lost all and total respect for you........."

I am not so sure I care about what people think of me if they are voting No on Prop 19, what kind of people are most of them anyway? I am more then used to having those type disapprove of my life and activities, so be it.

-SamS

 

[ReelBusy1]

I probably have as many grower friends as anyone on this site, maybe a lot more.
That said I refuse to allow that to change my mind that Tax and Regulation, legalization of recreational Cannabis is much more important, and truly feel sad that so much of the Cannabis community seems to feel so threatened by recreational legalization and what it will entail.
I know I will not change many of your minds, but I did try, and do believe it is wrong to vote No on Prop 19.
I think if you do some deep soul searching I really don't see how many could vote NO but maybe I am just wrong about assuming that.
People that grow and smoke Cannabis will help defeat a legalization of recreational Cannabis, I am really dumbfounded but I did expect some of this type of behavior, I can remember growers in Calif telling me 30+ years ago that they hoped Cannabis never got legalized, as they made their living from it being illegal.
I guess not much has changed, just a lot more growers, what can I say?

-SamS

I agree and thgink a vote against this measure is a vote to send smokers to jail and continue a police state mentality.

BTW corporate America does not want to sell weed.
They want to sell cannabis derived pharmaceuticals and can't do that until the MJ is legal and accepted by the mainstream again.
so growers can rest assured they will still do what they do for a while.

 

[Hammerhead]

I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY SAYSAYER DROP ANY CASH GIVE ME ONE NAME. YOU GUYS KEEP CONFUSIONG 214 420 19 ALL DIFERANT LAWS. Notjhing csn be change to any of them without another bill/law and voted on

i HAVE NO REPECT FOR YOU krunch. Sam has been doing more for our community then you have in that pee brain. To say you lost all respect for such a man for speaking his opinion and views is childish to Say the least

 

[Smoke Buddy]

Well Sam, I approve of your life and activities, I simply disagree about this bill.

People that grow and smoke Cannabis will help defeat a legalization of recreational Cannabis, I am really dumbfounded

Its quite simple. Its not greed, its survival. The country is in the worst situation it could be in and you want to hurt people who are unemployed and barely surviving by growing a couple excess plants. Im not doing anything illegal my friend. Its already written law. Its easy to get a med recomendation here because we all are stressed and we all need relief. Its a natural state for the human condition. Go get your state a mmj law like ours. Right now in this country people are fuking killing themselves because their lives are falling apart without jobs. Here its extreme. 17% last I checked in my county. You go down to LA and you wouldnt know we are in a resession but drive through some small norcal towns. stop and talk to some folks. There are many many people suffering and there are lots just holding on with our mmj opportunity. Apparently you dont care about any of that. Im fuking sick about what our people are enduring here now. So maybe open up your mind and see the bigger picture. Pot will be all the way legal at some point but taking the industry away from the "small" people at this time is cruel and sinister IMO. Plus dont even get me started on why our state doesnt deserve another penny of our money in taxes. I could attack this law just on the facts surrounding their corruption and easily make an argument against from that angle as well. Just so much wrong with this proposition IMO.

 

[Haps]

If you fuckwads in cali vote no, you are fucking it up for the rest of the world. Stop being greedy children.
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