only a valuable genetic source because There aren't many down here if they were up north they would get laughed at. where else you going to go clone queen or cloneville? heard they are just as bad. They were kids in that tiny upstairs office building in the valley so I kind of give them a pass on that fake chem-d and other cuts and pests they gave me back in the day but they're still doing it today to newer growers that's an issue. 8 years you would figure they would get mixups and pests under control but no.