maryj315
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G. Sensi said:
Yes that is my point what other animal furthers what it has learned on its own none just us
Every thing except god had to be taught or pre wired like birds and some other species
If i take your belief as fact then i am in a fools argument i have no way to win because their is know way to prove other wise
Just answer this we did just fine as hunter gathers and having no language why are we driving cars and shooting the shit about our own existence
Mj
maryj315
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characteristic of humanity; "human nature"
relating to a person; "the experiment was conducted on 6 monkeys and 2 human subjects"
homo: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
having human form or attributes as opposed to those of animals or divine beings; "human beings"; "the human body"; "human kindness"; "human frailty"
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Humans, or human beings, are bipedal primates belonging to the mammalian species Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man" or "knowing man") in the family Hominidae (the great apes). ...
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"Human" is a song recorded by British synthpop band The Human League. It was released as the first single from their 1986 album Crash. The track was written and produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, best-known for their work with Janet Jackson.
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HUMAN is a Kiwi death metal / grindcore band from Christchurch, New Zealand. Formed in 1992, the band is lead by Scott Spatcher Harrison (Vox/Guitars), Vaughn Richardson (Vox/Bass), Kezz Brewster (Guitars) and Paul Harrison (Drums).
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Human is the fourth album released by Death in 1991. It marked the beginning of a major stylistical change for Death. The actual sound of the album is much more technically accomplished and progressive than Death's previous strictly brutal efforts. ...
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In the science fiction universe Stargate SG-1 the Tau'ri (Terran in Ancient) (Midgard in Asgard) Homo sapiens sapiens or (sometimes spelled Tauri, and often spoken as "People of the Tau'ri" Also possibly "The Bulls" as Tauri is the plural form of the latin word for bull, Taurus. ...
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In the Star Trek science fiction universe, Humans/Terrans (Homo sapiens) are one of the races undertaking interstellar travel. Human beings were instrumental in the founding of the United Federation of Planets. ...
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Humans are a race in the fictional Star Wars universe. They are the most numerous and dominant species, with apparently millions of major and minor colonies galaxywide.
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Humans are one of the many races in the fictional Babylon 5 universe. They appear in all seasons of Babylon 5, and all of its spinoffs. Their homeworld is Earth, from which the interstellar Earth Alliance is governed. ...
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Humans in the Jak and Daxter universe are nearly the same in appearance to real life humans aside from having elf-like ears, possibly for aesthetic charm on the creator's part. ...
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"Human" is an electronic song performed by British group Goldfrapp. The song was written and produced by Alison Goldfrapp and Will Gregory for the duo's debut album Felt Mountain (2000). It was released as the album's third single in February 2001.
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Human is a studio album released by Rod Stewart on March 12, 2001 (see 2001 in music). It was Rod’s nineteenth studio album and first on Atlantic Records (Atlantic 7567-83411-2). It produced the singles “Run Back Into Your Arms”, “I Can't Deny it”, and “Don't Come Around Here”.
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Humans are a race available for player characters in the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy roleplaying game. Although short-lived by comparison, humans are the most populous of all Dungeons & Dragons races. ...
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"Human" is the lead single released by Skye Sweetnam off of her second album Sound Soldier. The song was produced by production group The Matrix. The song was released on her MySpace as a sneak peek, while the full version was leaked to the internet on September 8, 2007. ...
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A human being, whether man, woman, or child; Of or belonging to the species Homo sapiens or its closest relatives; Having the nature or attributes of a human being
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of mankind, as in : Imagination is a human trait.
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The term `environment' cannot stand on its own and should always be used in combination with a given object, region or condition. ...
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A species of LYMPHOCRYPTOVIRUS cultivated from cultures of BURKITT LYMPHOMA. It is thought to be the causative agent of INFECTIOUS MONONUCLEOSIS. [1]
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There is "currently no official nomenclature for human genes, however, the Human Gene Nomenclature Committee (part of HUGO) is currently ...
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resource management: Activities are recruiting, hiring, training, developing, and compensating personnel.
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a measure of structure of all human relations, defining intensity of his activity.
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the standard race
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popey.com skeleton of what Boat Jet Performance they conclude is the earliest known gunshot victim in the New World. wounds, gunshot. Disruption of structural continuity of the body as a result of the discharge of Taxes Audits & Resource Center - firearms. (12 Dec 1998). Kayla shnlog. ...
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Specifically, unaltered humans. riven are not humans, neither are mutants, animates or beasts. Paradoxically, paladins are altered but are still considered human. Adepts are human. In general parlance, someone who could walk down a street in modern times without raising alarm.
www.savageearth.net/glossary.html
The generic term given to any inhabitant of the universe that can trace their genetic makeup back to Earth or Dione.
www.madram.bravehost.com/writing/the_pearl/glossary.htm
Insomnia, ToD, Sky
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I think it time we get some facts in this thread
Mj
relating to a person; "the experiment was conducted on 6 monkeys and 2 human subjects"
homo: any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
having human form or attributes as opposed to those of animals or divine beings; "human beings"; "the human body"; "human kindness"; "human frailty"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Humans, or human beings, are bipedal primates belonging to the mammalian species Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man" or "knowing man") in the family Hominidae (the great apes). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
"Human" is a song recorded by British synthpop band The Human League. It was released as the first single from their 1986 album Crash. The track was written and produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, best-known for their work with Janet Jackson.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (song)
HUMAN is a Kiwi death metal / grindcore band from Christchurch, New Zealand. Formed in 1992, the band is lead by Scott Spatcher Harrison (Vox/Guitars), Vaughn Richardson (Vox/Bass), Kezz Brewster (Guitars) and Paul Harrison (Drums).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (band)
Human is the fourth album released by Death in 1991. It marked the beginning of a major stylistical change for Death. The actual sound of the album is much more technically accomplished and progressive than Death's previous strictly brutal efforts. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (album)
In the science fiction universe Stargate SG-1 the Tau'ri (Terran in Ancient) (Midgard in Asgard) Homo sapiens sapiens or (sometimes spelled Tauri, and often spoken as "People of the Tau'ri" Also possibly "The Bulls" as Tauri is the plural form of the latin word for bull, Taurus. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Stargate)
In the Star Trek science fiction universe, Humans/Terrans (Homo sapiens) are one of the races undertaking interstellar travel. Human beings were instrumental in the founding of the United Federation of Planets. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Star Trek)
Humans are a race in the fictional Star Wars universe. They are the most numerous and dominant species, with apparently millions of major and minor colonies galaxywide.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Star Wars)
Humans are one of the many races in the fictional Babylon 5 universe. They appear in all seasons of Babylon 5, and all of its spinoffs. Their homeworld is Earth, from which the interstellar Earth Alliance is governed. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Babylon 5)
Humans in the Jak and Daxter universe are nearly the same in appearance to real life humans aside from having elf-like ears, possibly for aesthetic charm on the creator's part. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Jak and Daxter)
"Human" is an electronic song performed by British group Goldfrapp. The song was written and produced by Alison Goldfrapp and Will Gregory for the duo's debut album Felt Mountain (2000). It was released as the album's third single in February 2001.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Goldfrapp song)
Human is a studio album released by Rod Stewart on March 12, 2001 (see 2001 in music). It was Rod’s nineteenth studio album and first on Atlantic Records (Atlantic 7567-83411-2). It produced the singles “Run Back Into Your Arms”, “I Can't Deny it”, and “Don't Come Around Here”.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Rod Stewart album)
Humans are a race available for player characters in the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy roleplaying game. Although short-lived by comparison, humans are the most populous of all Dungeons & Dragons races. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Dungeons & Dragons)
"Human" is the lead single released by Skye Sweetnam off of her second album Sound Soldier. The song was produced by production group The Matrix. The song was released on her MySpace as a sneak peek, while the full version was leaked to the internet on September 8, 2007. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human (Skye Sweetnam song)
A human being, whether man, woman, or child; Of or belonging to the species Homo sapiens or its closest relatives; Having the nature or attributes of a human being
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/human
of mankind, as in : Imagination is a human trait.
www.business-words.com/dictionary/H.html
The term `environment' cannot stand on its own and should always be used in combination with a given object, region or condition. ...
www.jsdnp.org.jm/glossary.html
A species of LYMPHOCRYPTOVIRUS cultivated from cultures of BURKITT LYMPHOMA. It is thought to be the causative agent of INFECTIOUS MONONUCLEOSIS. [1]
healthonnet.org/Dossier/MotherChild/child_virus/virus_mononucleo.html
There is "currently no official nomenclature for human genes, however, the Human Gene Nomenclature Committee (part of HUGO) is currently ...
www.genomicglossaries.com/content/printpage.asp
resource management: Activities are recruiting, hiring, training, developing, and compensating personnel.
ibacnet.org/bai2007/proceedings/Papers/2007bai7686.doc
a measure of structure of all human relations, defining intensity of his activity.
econews.uz/econews/rus/lib/ANG/-Q-/SLoQa.htm
the standard race
explanation-guide.info/meaning/Stick-in-the-Mud.html
popey.com skeleton of what Boat Jet Performance they conclude is the earliest known gunshot victim in the New World. wounds, gunshot. Disruption of structural continuity of the body as a result of the discharge of Taxes Audits & Resource Center - firearms. (12 Dec 1998). Kayla shnlog. ...
lachfarm.com/phpgraphy/pictures/PartyAnimals/thumbs/fevcolil.html
Specifically, unaltered humans. riven are not humans, neither are mutants, animates or beasts. Paradoxically, paladins are altered but are still considered human. Adepts are human. In general parlance, someone who could walk down a street in modern times without raising alarm.
www.savageearth.net/glossary.html
The generic term given to any inhabitant of the universe that can trace their genetic makeup back to Earth or Dione.
www.madram.bravehost.com/writing/the_pearl/glossary.htm
Insomnia, ToD, Sky
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I think it time we get some facts in this thread
Mj
G. Sensi
Member
As you said:
But Isnt the definition quoted exactly what H3ads bein sayin all along?
We cannot really prove to be Human without proving we are Homo Sapiens... And we can only really prove we are Homo Sapiens thru our genetic make-up ie DNA....
-G
I didnt really read any of the other definitions as they refered to Star wars, Rod Stewart, Death metal and Dungeons and dragons....maryj315 said:
But Isnt the definition quoted exactly what H3ads bein sayin all along?
We cannot really prove to be Human without proving we are Homo Sapiens... And we can only really prove we are Homo Sapiens thru our genetic make-up ie DNA....
-G
maryj315 said:
I can't participate in this conversation fully because I hardly believe I'm even human at all. It's also apparent that it's a dialogue with no end. Hell, I don't even believe 99% of what's purportedly reality, so you won't get anything useful from me. It's more likely you'll hear something that will drive you insane. So my reticence is for your protection.
G. Sensi
Member
We didnt teach ourselves everything we know...
What kind of animals do planes look like? My guess is Birds...
What kind of shape do under water vessels look like? My guess is Fish...
We learned to hunt from the Lions, Tigers and other predators...
We learned where to find clean water from animals....
This list goes on and on...
Man is Man... Thats without a doubt... maybe we can build cars, but I really hate when people talk like we are so much more superior than animals... they've been here "survivng" far longer than we have...
We are also the only species that Kills itself "cus he looked at me"....
What kind of animals do planes look like? My guess is Birds...
What kind of shape do under water vessels look like? My guess is Fish...
We learned to hunt from the Lions, Tigers and other predators...
We learned where to find clean water from animals....
This list goes on and on...
Man is Man... Thats without a doubt... maybe we can build cars, but I really hate when people talk like we are so much more superior than animals... they've been here "survivng" far longer than we have...
We are also the only species that Kills itself "cus he looked at me"....
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maryj315
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G. Sensi said:
Why do we do all those things?
What is the reason why we want to know?
Other animals do not seem to give a shit at least i have not noticed any
I do agree with you i do not think we are as important as we may think man being man is a good point maybe this is just what we do
Mj
gramsci.antonio said:
Bullshit.
Many higher animals are able to learn through observation and adapt their behavior according to what they have learned.
Bottlenose dolphins have been observed learning how to hydroplane in odrer to reach previously unobtainable food sources in shallow water.....this is a new, learned behavior the dolphins figured out themselves. Learning how to do something you have never done and no one has taught you takes abstract thought.....
Chimps have been observed using tools of many kinds.....developing a tool takes abstract thought........
Besides, as conceited anthrocentric humans we tend to define intelligence and the like by what we have evolved....mainly language and tool using.
What would be a useful form of intelligence for a human is very different than what would be useful for a dolphin.....so because it does not fit our narrow definition of intelligence, we discount it.
A good example of what I am talking about can be seen in a story about Koko the gorilla. She was once given an IQ test designed for human children, and one of the questions showed four items (ice cream cone, house, flower and something else) and asked which one is good to eat. She she gave "flower" as her answer...because she happens to like eating flowers better than ice cream.
This is merely a small example of how erroneous it is to try and judge the intelligence/sentience of other animals by our standards.
There is a HUGE trans-species cultural gap that makes defining intelligence/sentience other than our own very difficult.
Do some reading about a Bonobo named Kanzi, who has demonstrated reemarkable capacity for language, many say more so than Koko.
What would be a useful form of intelligence for a human is very different than what would be useful for a dolphin.....so because it does not fit our narrow definition of intelligence, we discount it.
A good example of what I am talking about can be seen in a story about Koko the gorilla. She was once given an IQ test designed for human children, and one of the questions showed four items (ice cream cone, house, flower and something else) and asked which one is good to eat. She she gave "flower" as her answer...because she happens to like eating flowers better than ice cream.
This is merely a small example of how erroneous it is to try and judge the intelligence/sentience of other animals by our standards.
There is a HUGE trans-species cultural gap that makes defining intelligence/sentience other than our own very difficult.
maryj315 said:
Do some reading about a Bonobo named Kanzi, who has demonstrated reemarkable capacity for language, many say more so than Koko.
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arcticsun
first of all. the definition of human.
did you guys know that all creature embryos grow through the previous stage in evolution prior to birth.
so at one time the human embryo has gills like a fish.
....
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. it could be a goose in disguise, but ultimately it is a question of faith.
nothing can be proven with ultimate certainty, even the most established science is still always portrait as a theory.
did you guys know that all creature embryos grow through the previous stage in evolution prior to birth.
so at one time the human embryo has gills like a fish.
....
if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. it could be a goose in disguise, but ultimately it is a question of faith.
nothing can be proven with ultimate certainty, even the most established science is still always portrait as a theory.
Not having the ability to discern exactly what an animal is thinking makes your entire line of reasoning flawed. Just because human's are too dumb to find it does not mean it is not there... To say there is no evidence of Animals having their own will and ideas about what they want and when they want it and how to get it (sometimes in a manner which they have not been taught) demonstrates an incomplete perspective imho.gramsci.antonio said:
You prove that animals do not know. You were the one who made the assertion that you completely understand every aspect of what occurs in every different creature's mind, and you know for sure what they do not know...maryj315 said:
The burden of proof is on you. If any animal can be taught the concept of mortality, do they become human... Perhaps you should research into Coco's reaction to loosing her kitten which she said she loved... You make too many assumptions about animals which are completely unprovable, and imho have not considered enough evidence to have come to the conclusions you have come to.
Except that the most recent studies seem to show that sapiens lacked the communication skills necessary to form meaningful social interactions. And while the Neanderthal lacked the imagination to form meaningful society, their brain had an area devoted to communication which was necessary to their lifestyle of tribal hunting. Taking down creatures more well armed than yourself takes a level of coordination with others that required a special type of communication ability. And it was only after neanderthals became integrated into homo sapiens that we developed out ability to communicate our abstract thoughts with any effectiveness... So we didn't necessarily 'win' per se, displacing them, but we benefitted immeasurably as a species from their being integrated into our population... It's based on some very interesting dna research...gramsci.antonio said:
