will people be able to separate relative versus universal truth?
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So Tom you're saying that "middle" percentage is worthless? Yeah maybe in terms of breedimg stock. However this is where there seems to be the understanding gap. Many folks purchase seeds to get a nice plant with no intention of breeding. For these people, YOUR customers, you 're saying good luck? With what appears to be a much lower middle percenage than some of the seed packs I grown out.
I have grownout and followed down lines 5generations deep, how can you say that selecting for an expression yeild no results? I have seen this myself. Not to mention Cannes Abyss has worked his line over multiple gens, 7 I think he stated, if he did not select for novelty how would he have gotten a webbed leaf and purple flowers?
sorry I'm not Tom, but maybe I can help...
this is where the misunderstanding is taking place... the "middle percentage" as you call it or mean/average expression is not "worthless" in the eyes of the grower as that is what an honest breeder advertises, is the average phenotype found within the line when grown at least marginally adequately... but...
for someone who wishes to breed the line into something true breeding and exceptional across multiple and often complex traits they need to grow out many more seeds in order to find such a true breeding individual... (as the more, and the more complex, traits one selects for the lower the odds of finding an individual that breeds true for each and every one of them.... I think it was DJ who wrote that when selecting for five separate traits only 1 in 256 [or something around that] would be true breeding for all five traits selected... and it increases exponentially with each additional trait).... than would someone who is just looking to grow some sensi bud of the advertised (average) phenotype from within the genotype (strain)...
so the misunderstanding is that the grower need not buy forty seeds to find a good representation of the strain as advertised... like many seem to think that is what tom and others are saying... but if a breeder wants to work that line into something true breeding or outcross an already known stable line to incorporate its traits into another genotype... they need to grow enough seeds to find the most exceptional individual that breeds true to both further the line and outcross it to other genotypes
not for nothing, but those are likely dominant, single loci traits and therefore very easy to identify in the potential parents and progeny etc etc.
I mean hemp could have webbed leaves and purple flowers... those traits are of no significant importance to medicinal/connoisseur cannabis breeding... (sure purple flowers look pretty )
Looks to me that selfing is the easiest way to go forward with any individualy superiour plant you find from any source , bagseed or hyped clone , with reasonable numbers and a shorter time frame.
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I do agree but just want to point out while you're right that purple bud is (at least in my experiance) a dominant characteristic, webbed leaves are controlled by a single recessive allele, (though if anything that makes it slightly easier to select for if you know it's there because any plants expressing it will breed true).
IMO useless trait, though I understand it may help with camouflage
Looks to me that selfing is the easiest way to go forward with any individualy superiour plant you find from any source , bagseed or hyped clone , with reasonable numbers and a shorter time frame.
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i.e. self clone, grow s1, self s1, grow s2, etc?
guess i shoulda read some more.yes,
you make S1s then grow out 25-30-50-100 of the S1s and then self the best S1 making S2s grow the S2s, select and self the S2 and make S3s...
I mean hemp could have webbed leaves and purple flowers... those traits are of no significant importance to medicinal/connoisseur cannabis breeding... (sure purple flowers look pretty )