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chronic Shizophrenia, weedcure?

skaZe

Member
Gday,

since thats like my first post I'll start with some usual stuff.

I've been growing for like a year now, thought I never made out any good harvest yet.

The first got crashed by heat, 2nd by spider mites which freely raised theire count since i was on holidays for 2 weeks, the 3rd was completly overtaken by little seeds.
4th run is just going into 5th week with today.
After all these fails, with different Strains, i gotta say, it seems like I fucked up the harvests on every possible way, guess none of these should be able to crush any coming harvest.
Since im no commerce grower its not making me mad at all, I've experienced alot in every single fail.


So, while still paying for my smoke on the street, i've came on the point, that under all these Strains, some pushing up, others down, there might be something to cure, what the Doc's call chronic Shizophrenia.


The story's this:

Ya know, when ya had a fat smoke and just dont wanna getup off ya f*ckn couch, except of for another smoke?
I feel like this after I had a few smokes too much, beeing bodylazy as hell and having some rly calmed down, almost slow thinking.

When im in such Status I feel I do act kinda like my mom is doing always, shes sickened chronic Shizo.
How should I call, she's ever been in that Status so I dont do know alot about her. Its hard getting a talk to her.
I left the Familys house while ago livign on my own, times passing and theres no changing in her illness at all, my father is having his hard time with it aswell.

So lets get to the Topic finally,

I've played for long with the thought, since Marijuana is a drug, which slightly changes your consciousness, why not giving it a try on my mom?
I wonder if it could take effect on her activity, thinking and acting.

Shes a dear cigarette lover, gettin a fake one filled with a lil dosis Marijuana wouldnt be a big deal.

But since I do not know which affects it could take, I'd like to ask around here, about your opinion's and experiences, before I'm gonna try anthing.



Sure, screaming out "just give it a try" is an answer, but none i want to hear so spare that one.

greetz
 
S

Sat X RB

just wondering if you can talk to your Dad about this?

you could find out if he agrees with you and might help you if he thinks it's a good idea.

you need to have your Mum agree. it would be wrong to sneak one on her! you don't 'own' her ...

and, is your 'status' when you are stoned better than your Mum's 'status' when she's NOT stoned?

I mean, how much do you think smoke will help her?
 

skaZe

Member
Well, if a small hit doesnt shows any positive effect it would be weird to go on.
After a 2nd small hit, since the first could not be showing any effect at all, i'd see if there are any results.

If there are, theres nothin left as introducing both of them into this way of medical use and starting the treatment.

Theres no need making a big drama out of it if theres no results yet, since weed doesnt cause any harm at all. , I wouldnt call it sneaking up.. since its medical research
Do not think wrong of me, I'm grownup and thinkin of my actions.


And ye my status surely is better, i still got a full control of my mind.

btw just realized that topics suxx, if someone might change that cure into treatment.
 
T

texsativa

Maybe one hit isn't enough? Maybe you need much more concentrated like oil? Just a thought.

She has to know beforehand, it's only ethical.
 

skaZe

Member
Well guess it wouldnt be a big deal telling her.
Since i never produced oil this is out of my possibilities.I might should've a read bout that.

If it would take more as 0.5g for an positive effect to take place, the necessary dosis will start raising slightly fast, so it wouldnt work out well in the end.
If 0.2 would already show signs positive effects, it might be of use.
 
F

Funion

Research gluten sensitivities for schizophrenia.
PM me if you want more info.
 

SCF

Bong Smoking News Hound
Veteran
Gday,

since thats like my first post I'll start with some usual stuff.

I've been growing for like a year now, thought I never made out any good harvest yet.

The first got crashed by heat, 2nd by spider mites which freely raised theire count since i was on holidays for 2 weeks, the 3rd was completly overtaken by little seeds.
4th run is just going into 5th week with today.
After all these fails, with different Strains, i gotta say, it seems like I fucked up the harvests on every possible way, guess none of these should be able to crush any coming harvest.
Since im no commerce grower its not making me mad at all, I've experienced alot in every single fail.


So, while still paying for my smoke on the street, i've came on the point, that under all these Strains, some pushing up, others down, there might be something to cure, what the Doc's call chronic Shizophrenia.


The story's this:

Ya know, when ya had a fat smoke and just dont wanna getup off ya f*ckn couch, except of for another smoke?
I feel like this after I had a few smokes too much, beeing bodylazy as hell and having some rly calmed down, almost slow thinking.

When im in such Status I feel I do act kinda like my mom is doing always, shes sickened chronic Shizo.
How should I call, she's ever been in that Status so I dont do know alot about her. Its hard getting a talk to her.
I left the Familys house while ago livign on my own, times passing and theres no changing in her illness at all, my father is having his hard time with it aswell.

So lets get to the Topic finally,

I've played for long with the thought, since Marijuana is a drug, which slightly changes your consciousness, why not giving it a try on my mom?
I wonder if it could take effect on her activity, thinking and acting.

Shes a dear cigarette lover, gettin a fake one filled with a lil dosis Marijuana wouldnt be a big deal.

But since I do not know which affects it could take, I'd like to ask around here, about your opinion's and experiences, before I'm gonna try anthing.



Sure, screaming out "just give it a try" is an answer, but none i want to hear so spare that one.

greetz


My mother suffers from the same thing.. even though she wont admit it... i got her to puff a couple of times. but shes old school and is still brain washed about it. i will admit the times she smoked, i never saw my mom so calm, in my life... but i also got scared that she might get to much paranioa, i mean its our moms you know! remember she dont smoke so dont give her much...:comfort: best of luck

and remember, always always remember, some things she may do or say, its because of the what she has. and try to be patient as you two grow together. its hard to get to know them because they are so shut down emotionally inside. its one of the hardest things for anyone to deal with, having your mother being emotionless. but once again, stay strong, your not alone, and its not your mom that causes the crazy stuff... its the desiese.
 

skaZe

Member
Research gluten sensitivities for schizophrenia.
PM me if you want more info.
Never heard of that before, I'll be making some research on that, thank you.



My mother suffers from the same thing.. even though she wont admit it... i got her to puff a couple of times. but shes old school and is still brain washed about it. i will admit the times she smoked, i never saw my mom so calm, in my life... but i also got scared that she might get to much paranioa, i mean its our moms you know! remember she dont smoke so dont give her much...:comfort: best of luck

and remember, always always remember, some things she may do or say, its because of the what she has. and try to be patient as you two grow together. its hard to get to know them because they are so shut down emotionally inside. its one of the hardest things for anyone to deal with, having your mother being emotionless. but once again, stay strong, your not alone, and its not your mom that causes the crazy stuff... its the desiese.
Ye its hard to deal with true, thats why I've hope that theres slightly popping out more of her true self when beeing slightly high.
Shes usually calm at all, way too calm, lost in thoughts.
I'd see if weed is getting her active, or atleast more grab of her own thoughts.

My parents are pretty oldschool aswell, well, my dad is atleast.
My mom once saw one of my plants which i stored at my dads house for a week when i was rebuilding my grow room here. She once asked about if i still got these plants with me, with a pretty happy face.
But that happy face doesnt had to belong to the thoughts about these plants at all.
All i could do was nicely asking her to make this our two little secret<3 My dad shouldnt know yet. Neither the neightbours.

I wonder if she doesnt had any touch with it in her youth.

greetz
 
S

Sat X RB

she might have had touch with it in her youth. maybe when she met your Dad she went straight. and then the schizophrenia came on hard and then she just forgot about it. and now she's just stuck ...

that happens to lots of married people after a while even when there is no schizophrenia ...

Peace to You, man ...
 

skaZe

Member
She'd been pregnant with my older Sister with 20.
I doubt she had much time for smokin pot since there were rly harsh cirumstances in the country which made my parents get over to germany.
But i guess she could've tried once, maybe few times.

Could u define stuck? Didnt rly got that part.
 

SCF

Bong Smoking News Hound
Veteran
Never heard of that before, I'll be making some research on that, thank you.




Ye its hard to deal with true, thats why I've hope that theres slightly popping out more of her true self when beeing slightly high.
Shes usually calm at all, way too calm, lost in thoughts.
I'd see if weed is getting her active, or atleast more grab of her own thoughts.

My parents are pretty oldschool aswell, well, my dad is atleast.
My mom once saw one of my plants which i stored at my dads house for a week when i was rebuilding my grow room here. She once asked about if i still got these plants with me, with a pretty happy face.
But that happy face doesnt had to belong to the thoughts about these plants at all.
All i could do was nicely asking her to make this our two little secret<3 My dad shouldnt know yet. Neither the neightbours.

I wonder if she doesnt had any touch with it in her youth.

greetz

Yeah dont expect much. but if shes asking you, open up the conversation about it. Ask her if she did it in her past. and if she would like to try some with you some day.
 

skaZe

Member
Guess so.

Since that all had some Medical background I'll try reminding myself to post here if there were any positive effects.
Just in case somebody else will wonder.


Weeds a medicine we havent even analyzed to a minimun, who knows what all it could cure.
 

yesum

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Different strains will affect her different too. Just one strain will not give a clear picture of what change will happen.
 

skaZe

Member
Guess I need to find a strain which is making myself feeling active.
If there's one it might has the same effect on her.

Gonna focus on my next grows for now but feel free to post any Strains that are like making you wanting to clean the house.
 

yesum

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
Veteran
Panama Red from Cannabiogen. Energy without anxiety.

Maple Leaf Indica and Grandaddy Purple are good all rounders, that do no lock me to the couch. No anxiety with either.
 

skaZe

Member
Thanks for sharing some of ya experience :)

Since I just ordered new Strains it might takes me another few months to go for trying anything new again.
 

RetroGrow

Active member
Veteran
Cannabis is known to trigger schizophrenia in some people.
You might want to research this, and think twice before giving cannabis to a schizophrenic. There are medications available which can be helpful for that condition. I have a friend who is a mild (functioning) schizophrenic, and I have noticed he gets pretty crazy at times, and he is a heavy smoker. I believe if he stopped smoking, he would improve, but try convincing a scizophrenic.
 

Bi0hazard

Active member
Veteran
You will want to have her smoke a strain higher in CBD - with her consent of course. and most likely towards the indica spectrum. The ultra Racy/brainstorm sativas may put her in the wrong direction, if she isn't used to cannabis. Strain like OG Kush, GDP, Hindu Kush, Harliquin would be perfect for this...

(Fixed Links) Here are some articles / studies on Cannabis and Schizophrenia:

radical notion (letter - 1974)
http://schizophrenia...ourcetype=HWCIT

Study Shows Long Term Marijuana Users Healthy (news - 1994)
http://www.erowid.or..._science3.shtml

Association study of a cannabinoid receptor gene (CNR1) polymorphism and schizophrenia (abst – 2000) http://pharmgkb.org/pmid/11204352

Are Cannabinoid Receptor Knockout Mice Animal Models for Schizophrenia?
(abst -2000) http://www.medical-h...1261-1/abstract

Cannabis Use is Not Associated with the Development of Psychosis in an 'ultra' High-risk Group. (abst – 2002) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12406123

Tobacco and Cannabis Smoking Cessation Can Lead to Intoxication with Clozapine or Olanzapine. (abst – 2002)
http://medical-journ...e-or-olanzapine

Recipe For Trouble (anecdotal/ news - 2002)
http://www.cbsnews.c...ain503022.shtml

Cannabis may treat psychiatric disorders (news - 2002)
http://findarticles....ag=content;col1

Cannabis and the brain. (full - 2003) http://brain.oxfordj...full/126/6/1252

Haloperidol, but not clozapine, produces dramatic catalepsy in delta9-THC-treated rats: possible clinical implications. (full - 2003)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....61/?tool=pubmed

Cannabis as a psychotropic medication (letter - 2004)
http://bjp.rcpsych.o...t/full/185/1/78

Lower Negative Symptom Scores Among Cannabis-dependent Patients with Schizophrenia-spectrum Disorders: Preliminary Evidence from an African American First-episode Sample. (abst – 2004)
http://www.schres-jo...0035-0/abstract

Aetiology - Review: current evidence does not show a strong causal relation between the use of cannabis in young people and psychosocial harm (abst - 2004)
http://www.library.n...6&tabID=289

How our brains fend off madness, we produce a cannabis like substance (news – 2004)
http://www.medicalne...eases/12516.php

Cannabis does not induce schizophrenia, Dutch scientists say (news - 2004)
http://www.medicalne...icles/12283.php

Symptoms of schizotypy precede cannabis use. (full - 2005) http://socialscience...20and%20SPD.pdf

Cannabidiol as an antipsychotic. A double-blind, controlled clinical trial on cannabidiol vs. amisulpride in acute schizophrenia. (abst - 2005) http://www.cannabis-...ow.php?s_id=171

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Cannabis and schizophrenia link blurs further (news - 2005)
http://www.newscient...rs-further.html

Chemicals in Cannabis may help mentally ill (news - 2005)
http://www.news-medi...6/06/10716.aspx

Cannabidiol, a Cannabis sativa constituent, as an antipsychotic drug. (full - 2006)
http://www.scielo.br...iso&tlng=en

The Mental Health Risks of Adolescent Cannabis Use (full - 2006)
http://www.pubmedcen...;tool=pmcentrez

Cannabis and psychosis (letter - 2006)
http://www.pubmedcen...;tool=pmcentrez

An Experimental Study of Catechol-O-Methyltransferase Val(158)Met Moderation of Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol-Induced Effects on Psychosis and Cognition.
(abst - 2006)
http://www.unboundme...s_and_Cognition

Increased cannabinoid receptor density in the posterior cingulate cortex in schizophrenia. (abst - 2006) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16710682

Cannabis use does not cause schizophrenia (news - 2006)
http://www.health.am..._schizophrenia/

No Increased Schizophrenia Risk With Use Of Cannabis (news - 2006)
http://www.thehempir...use_of_cannabis

Cannabis is a First-Line Treatment for Childhood Mental Disorders
(news - 2006)
http://www.counterpu...ya07082006.html

Reefer Madness Refuted (letter - 2007) http://www.cmaj.ca/c...177/8/988#16873

A Comparison of Symptoms and Family History in Schizophrenia with and Without Prior Cannabis Use: Implications for the Concept of Cannabis Psychosis.
(abst – 2007)
http://www.schres-jo...0150-8/abstract

Anandamide levels in cerebrospinal fluid of first-episode schizophrenic patients: Impact of cannabis use. (abst - 2007)
http://www.unboundme...of_cannabis_use

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Cannabinoids and psychosis. (abst - 2007)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....Pubmed_RVDocSum

Effects of cannabidiol on schizophrenia-like symptoms in people who use cannabis (full - 2008)
http://bjp.rcpsych.o...ourcetype=HWCIT

The effects of cannabis abuse on the symptoms of schizophrenia: patient perspectives.
(abst – 2008) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18666905

Maternal tobacco, cannabis and alcohol use during pregnancy and risk of adolescent psychotic symptoms in offspring. (full - 2009) http://bjp.rcpsych.o.../full/195/4/294

Cannabis and suicide: longitudinal study. (full - 2009) http://bjp.rcpsych.o.../195/6/492.long

Parasitic brain infection, endocannabinoids, and schizophrenia. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme..._schizophrenia_

The role of cannabis in cognitive functioning of patients with schizophrenia.
(abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme..._schizophrenia_

Cannabis use and deliberate self-harm in adolescence: a comparative analysis of associations in England and Norway.
(abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...and_and_Norway_

Opposite relationships between cannabis use and neurocognitive functioning in bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme..._schizophrenia_

Effects of cannabidiol on amphetamine-induced oxidative stress generation in an animal model of mania (abst – 2009)
http://jop.sagepub.c...ourcetype=HWCIT

Synthetic delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (dronabinol) can improve the symptoms of schizophrenia. (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme..._schizophrenia_

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Can recreational doses of THC produce significant dopamine release in the human striatum? (abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme..._human_striatum

If cannabis caused schizophrenia-how many cannabis users may need to be prevented in order to prevent one case of schizophrenia? England and Wales calculations.
(abst - 2009)
http://www.unboundme...s_calculations_

Minimal Relationship Between Cannabis And Schizophrenia Or Psychosis, Suggested By New Study (news - 2009) http://www.scienceda...91022101538.htm

Science: The development of the number of new schizophrenia cases in the UK does not support the hypothesis that cannabis use increases schizophrenia risk
(news – 2009)
http://www.cannabis-...el.php?id=299#2

Schizophrenia link to cannabis denied (news - 2009)
http://www.thisissta...il/article.html

New study suggests minimal relationship between cannabis and schizophrenia or psychosis (news – 2009) http://www.physorg.c...s175425054.html

THC can improve symptoms of schizophrenia (news – 2009)
http://www.cannabis-...annabinoidslist

Maternal Marijuana use not Associated with Psychotic Symptoms , but Alcohol is. (news - 2009)
http://ohiopatientsn...tid=3:newsflash

Endocannabinoids and Schizophrenia (full – 2010)
http://www.mdpi.com/...7/3/10/3101/pdf

Do patients think cannabis causes schizophrenia? - A qualitative study on the causal beliefs of cannabis using patients with schizophrenia (full - 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....?tool=pmcentrez

Reasons for illicit drug use in people with schizophrenia: Qualitative study
(full – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....87/?tool=pubmed
Are cannabis use disorders associated with an earlier age at onset of psychosis? A study in first episode schizophrenia. (full – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....81/?tool=pubmed

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Therapeutical use of the cannabinoids in psychiatry (full – 2010)
http://www.scielo.br...iso&tlng=en

A common polymorphism in the cannabinoid receptor 1 (CNR1) gene is associated with antipsychotic-induced weight gain in Schizophrenia. (full – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....43/?tool=pubmed

Cannabinoid–Dopamine Interaction in the Pathophysiology and Treatment of CNS Disorders (full – 2010) http://onlinelibrary...10.00144.x/full

Brain cannabinoid CB2 receptor in schizophrenia. (abst – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19931854

A behavioural comparison of acute and chronic Delta9-tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol in C57BL/6JArc mice. (abst – 2010) http://www.unboundme...7BL/6JArc_mice_

Cannabinoid self-administration attenuates PCP-induced schizophrenia-like symptoms in adult rats. (abst - 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19854030

Does intravenous {triangleup}9-tetrahydrocannabinol increase dopamine release? A SPET study. (abst – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....d?term=20851843

The Impact of Cannabis Use on Cognitive Functioning in Patients With Schizophrenia: A Meta-analysis of Existing Findings and New Data in a First-Episode Sample.
(abst – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20660494

Attraction to cannabis among men with schizophrenia: a phenomenological study.
(abst – 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20420097

Tardive Dystonia and the Use of Cannabis (letter - 2010)
http://www.turkpsiki...icle&id=749

Oral THC Reduces Aggressive Behavior In Patients With Refractory Psychosis, Study Says (news - 2010) http://www.norml.org...m?Group_ID=8419

Risk of suicide spurs rimonabant trial to end. (news – 2010)
http://www.thefreeli...nd.-a0238838571

Deletion of CB2 Cannabinoid Receptor Induces Schizophrenia-Related Behaviors in Mice (full – 2011) http://www.nature.co...npp201134a.html

Cannabis use predicts shorter duration of untreated psychosis and lower levels of negative symptoms in first-episode psychosis: a South African study. (full – 2011)
http://www.ajop.co.z...nabis%20use.pdf

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Cannabinoids for the Treatment of Schizophrenia? A Balanced Neurochemical Framework for Both Adverse and Therapeutic Effects of Cannabis Use (full – 2011)
http://www.hindawi.c...rt/2011/501726/

Psychopharmacological comparison of schizophrenia spectrum disorder with and without cannabis dependency. (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21087649

Synthetic cannabinoid JWH-018 and psychosis: An explorative study. (abst – 2011)
http://www.unboundme...lorative_study_

Nutritional omega-3 deficiency abolishes endocannabinoid-mediated neuronal functions.
(abst – 2011) http://www.nature.co...ll/nn.2736.html

Endocannabinoid system dysfunction in mood and related disorders. (abst – 2011)
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21916860

Cannabis with high cannabidiol content is associated with fewer psychotic experiences. (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21592732

Sub-chronic impact of cannabinoids in street cannabis on cognition, psychotic-like symptoms and psychological well-being. (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21798112

The Dopamine and Cannabinoid Interaction in the Modulation of Emotions and Cognition: Assessing the Role of Cannabinoid CB1 Receptor in Neurons Expressing Dopamine D1 Receptors. (abst - 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21887137

History of cannabis use is not associated with alterations in striatal dopamine D2/D3 receptor availability. (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21890594

Popular intoxicants: what lessons can be learned from the last 40 years of alcohol and cannabis regulation? (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21926420

Deletion of CB2 cannabinoid receptor induces schizophrenia-related behaviors in mice. (abst – 2011) http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21430651

The schizophrenia susceptibility gene neuregulin 1 modulates tolerance to the effects of cannabinoids. (abst – 2011) http://www.unboundme...f_cannabinoids_

Endocannabinoid system and psychiatry: in search of a neurobiological basis for detrimental and potential therapeutic effects. (abst – 2011) http://www.unboundme...peutic_effects_

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The endocannabinoid system in the regulation of emotions throughout lifespan: a discussion on therapeutic perspectives. (abst – 2011) http://www.unboundme...c_perspectives_

Association between a cannabinoid receptor gene (CNR1) polymorphism and cannabinoid-induced alterations of the auditory event-related P300 potential.
(abst – 2011) http://www.unboundme...P300_potential_

Marijuana Use Associated With 'Superior' Cognitive Performance In Schizophrenic Patients, Study Says (news – 2011) http://www.norml.org...m?Group_ID=8537

Omega-3 PUFA Deficiency Abolishes Endocannabinoid-Linked Neuronal Functions (news - 2011) http://www.fatsoflif...&issueid=85

A Brain Wrought Without Omega-3 (news – 2011) http://www.schizophr...ail.asp?id=1646

Debunking the Myth of a Link Between Marijuana and Mental Illness (news – 2011)
http://www.alternet.org/drugs/151776

The Link Between Marijuana and Schizophrenia (news – 2011)
http://www.time.com/...2005559,00.html
 
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Obsidian

Active member
Veteran
dude, grow up. Dosing your Mom on Ganja without her consent will land you in Jail.
you also need to learn how to communicate.
you write like my 10yr old talking BS.
 
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