Brother Nature
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Cool story bro, needs more dragons.
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Canada to decriminalize hard drugs in pilot study
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Funny judging by your EGO you and Trump have a lot in common.
BTW going back to the topic of decriminalizing hard drugs you should really try shrooms they will be perfectly legal to use in BC Canada come Jan 2023. Perhaps you might learn a thing or two.
Poor NARCS sure cannabis legalization is going to result in the end of the world as we know it. It must really piss off NARCS that Canada legalized cannabis four years ago and BC is now decriminalizing all drugs. Poor NARCS a dying breed. LOL
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Somatek
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Recognizing that you can't make generalizations about an entire profession based on assuming all pharmaceutical companies are corrupt based on the actions of specific companies doesn't make someone a narc or they support prohibition. Resorting to ad hominem insults just comes across as immature and reactive. Brother Nature's comments earlier clearly show they don't agree with prohibition and see it as a system of control, so logically the issue isn't drug laws but your black and white comment that ignores the reality of the situation.
If this was not a cannabis site I'm sure you would argue the black and white fact that cannabis has never killed anyone. Facts remain whether you like them or not. The medical system in the States is profit driven and cannabis is harmless compared to legal drugs like tobacco and alcohol. Both are true but you are only willing to admit to one.
The AMA and other doctor organizations towed the line when it came to cannaibs prohibition on mass. They supported the ban on cannaibs and most of them still do, due to ideology rather then science. Next you will be telling me how moral and honest the DEA is and how they are just trying to help poor addicts. Faith is moronic no matter what or who its in.
The reality of the situation is health care in the States depends on how much money or insurance you have rather then what is best for the patient. An ugly truth like climate change or that the drug war is more harmful then beneficial that's far easier to ignore then to fix.
Profiting from the sick and dying is corrupt no matter how you spin it.
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Somatek
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Sure, but the world is bigger then the US and the issues that define them are not universal around the world. Which is what I understood Brother Nature to be saying, you're projecting your experience living in N.A., dealing with their broken systems and projecting that outwards which may not be true or relevant for people living in different companies. Especially in a thread discussing decriminalising personal possession in Canada as part of their shifting approach to dealing with the toxic drug supply killing thousands of people.
The AMA actually didn't support prohibition when the laws first passed, there's an open letter they wrote protesting the laws and removing a useful medicine. More to the point what relevance does any of that have when talking about Canada's laws or the problems in our health care system. I haven't heard about the US decriminalizing on any federal level like the Canadian gov has offered to allow provinces. I haven't heard of any harm prevention programs like the pilot programs in Canada where they're supplying addicts with clean drugs. Safe injection sites aren't nearly as widespread in the US, for that matter abortions aren't universally available down their anymore because of their screwed up politics. There is little similarity between the two, so what relevance does bringing up issues in the US have in a conversation about another country?
St. Phatty
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And that was the exact game plan, for the Covid19 Pseudo-response.
Though there is a tiny silver lining - both Jill & Biden have had 2nd infections.
maybe they'll develop Long Covid and Joe will leave 1600 Penn ave.
On the other hand, that would leave us with Kamala.
Any chance Kamala will reverse her anti-Cannabis stance ? Could she be the one that re-legalizes Cannabis nation-wide ?
nearly anything is possible in politics....except for The Chump admitting that he lost. he'll go to his grave whimpering about how mean everyone was for not helping his coup along to keep him from being prosecuted for the crimes he commits...
Most drugs should be legalized. Putting people in prison for drugs is pointless. If people can't moderate their mind altering activities it's on them if they overdose. There def would need to be a drug tax to pay for the increases in medical care. Some drugs are not good for the body.. The more it's used the more damage it causes. Not everyone uses those. Its been documented that if addicts get their regual fix they don't commit crimes to get their drugs.
St. Phatty
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Oregon sort of did that.
Didn't make the Bureaucrats any smarter. But at least the cops are persecuting fewer people, one would hope.
Didn't make the Bureaucrats any smarter. But at least the cops are persecuting fewer people, one would hope.
NOTHING makes civil service drones smarter, except maybe the threat of unemployment before they can retire. i want to see police out actually trying to solve/prevent real crimes instead of sandbagging folks that are not bothering anyone. the first is difficult, and the second is too appealing to assholes that don't want to do the job they were hired to do. "catch honest to God criminals? fuck that, too dangerous..."
moose eater
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Most of the places that legalized or medicalized what was previously illicit drug use, actually saw drops in use of illicit drugs, and as the 'dirty' street supply dries up a little bit, clean (new disposable) needles are more available, education re. healthcare/maintenance as it relates to IV drug use, etc., drugs are cleaner with less bizarre cut in them, etc., the medical emergencies typically drop off as well.
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When you don't have shady people cutting their smack with Fentanyl it will def lower overdoses. Those dumbasses want a few people to overdose as they think it generates talk their product is potent. These are the people that need to get locked up.
people that deliberately hunt for shit that is known to be killing folks should NOT be given Narcan. you want an overdose? here's your fucking overdose... "you can't fix stupid"
I don't blame any junky that gets a hotfix.. Those that cut their product with fentanyl are scum.. Most junkies knows what they can handle. They know how much to use. Adding fentanyl changes their doses. Normally that same dose would not cause an OD.
moose eater
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As long as any drug is illegal, there will be the motive to continue manufacturing and distributing.
The number of times the authorities tried to thwart the availability of ingredients for various meth concoctions, and the number of times the cooks were able to back up, punt, and return to production, is all the evidence we ought to need.
We did that nonsense in Alaska. There's still plenty of meth around, mostly imported these days, and it's a matter of showing ID and signing a form when my family members have a fucking cold and need some Sudafed. Didn't seem to slow down the meth much. And the fact that the legislator up here who sponsored that bill was a major cocaine dealer and pompous prick years ago... that was not lost on me either...
The War On (Some) Drugs was a politically-motivated bunch of failed-before-it-launched bullshit.
The earlier opium (and heroin/morphine) wars involving US immigration policy, drug policy, Chinese immigrants and raids on their establishments and ships? Political/systemic racism and control of immigrant labor. We like cheap labor.. just not too much of it. A fine balance, you know. An attmept to control the numbers coming in, and to criminalize beyond that. Had nearly nothing to do with laudnum, opium, morphine, etc.
Blacks and blues/jazz folks were those being popped for cannabis after 1937, & same-same for smack and other drugs. Social control through criminalizing their vices.
Nixon admitted as much after the Schaeffer Commission's report on cannabis, when they recommended legalizing. But Nixon wanted Abby Hoffman so bad he could taste it, and he as much as admitted it in tapes that were released years later; his reason for ignoring the Commission's reports were politically motivated, and aimed at harming the anti-war movement and those associated with it back then..
The WHOLE FUCKING CRIMINALIZATION OF SUBSTANCES began, in great part, as a method or mechanism for control of immigrants and minorities based in racist policy... from the fucking beginning.
And in order to effectively enforce the relationship between the substance user/abuser (and yes, a person can USE hard drugs, as opposed to abusing them), and the drug, they would need to place cameras and tape recorders in every home's bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchens, verandas, etc., etc., at a minimum. We told them that in hearings DECADES ago. They didn't seem to care. Hate can be blinding to reason/logic at times. and they've had over 100 years to generate their BS propaganda.
Personally, I've walked past all kinds of dangerous shit in my life, and the inanimate bits along those paths (firearms, drugs, etc.) NEVER jumped up and bit me or shot me. That shit took human involvement in order to become truly dangerous. It's not the drugs, it's the fucking humans.
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B.C. club hands out hard drugs in bid to save lives, despite Health Canada rejection
Organizers of a Vancouver compassion club say they will continue to distribute tested cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine despite a rejection from Health Canada, calling it the only way to save lives in the face of a toxic drug supply.
Eris Nyx, co-founder of the Drug User Liberation Front, said regulating the illicit supply is the answer to stopping drug toxicity deaths, which have topped 10,000 in British Columbia since the province declared a public health emergency more than six years ago.
"These people are our friends, our community members, people we love, people we care about very deeply and we're losing them every day. And the driving cause of these deaths is the deregulated and unpredictable illicit drug market," Nyx said Wednesday.
Nyx spoke at a press conference marking International Overdose Awareness Day, saying the groups are also seeking a judicial review of the Health Canada decision on the basis that it didn't consider Charter rights to life and equality.
DULF and the Vancouver Area Network of Drug Users requested the temporary Criminal Code exemption from Health Canada to operate a compassion club model for hard drugs last year and it was rejected July 29.
Nonetheless, Nyx said the Cocaine, Heroin and Methamphetamine Compassion Club and Fulfilment Centre has operated for one month, distributing 201 grams of drugs with no overdoses or deaths.
The group is pursuing a "do-it-yourself" model of community regulation that Nyx said could be scaled up across the province.
"What we have is a failure of the regime of prohibition. And that failure does not make it a criminal issue or a medical issue, that failure makes it a political issue," Nyx said.
Health Canada said in a statement that it rejected the exemption application because it would have allowed the purchase of illegally produced controlled substances from illegal vendors.
"Supplying drugs from illegal vendors is not a viable option for advancing the objectives of the (Controlled Drugs and Substances Act), namely the protection of public health and the maintenance of public safety," it said in a statement.
The federal government has invested $73.5 million to support 25 safer supply pilot projects, in B.C., Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick. It's working to learn from experts and people with lived experience, it said.
"There is a consensus that there is no one solution to address the overdose crisis. Safer supply pilot projects are one of the many important tools to help save lives."
However, the authorization of purchases of controlled substances over the dark web is not under consideration, it added.
Last year was the worst year on record for opioid-related overdoses in Canada, with about 21 people dying every day, Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos and Carolyn Bennett, minister of mental health and addictions, said in a separate statement.
"Still more needs to be done to protect the health and safety of Canadians," their joint statement said.
"We remain committed to reducing stigma and continuing to work with all levels of government, people with lived and living experience of substance use, stakeholders, and organizations in communities across Canada to help prevent overdose, save lives, and help all people in Canada live their healthiest lives."
British Columbia is set to become the first province in Canada to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of hard drugs in January, after receiving a temporary federal exemption in May.
It means those 18 and over will not face criminal penalties for possessing a total of 2.5 grams of opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA, also known as ecstasy.
However, speakers at the virtual press conference Wednesday said the amount is insignificant and means those who work to distribute safe supply will still be criminalized.
Fred Cameron of SOLID Outreach Society in Victoria said the skyrocketing deaths since the 1990s show the problem is with the supply.
"What's different about then and now — there was not better abstinence supports or better consumption services. The dope was not poisonous," he said.
People will always use drugs, he said, so the priority should be ensuring the drugs are as safe as possible.
The press conference was one of many events across B.C. and Canada acknowledging Overdose Awareness Day. Metro Vancouver landmarks were set to be lit up in purple to mark the day, while lost lives were to be memorialized at Holland Park.
Sheila Malcolmson, British Columbia's minister of mental health and addictions, issued a statement saying it was a day to mourn with families and friends who have lost loved ones.
"That loss is shared by peer workers, paramedics, firefighters, police officers and all those on the front lines of this terrible crisis," the statement said.
Increasing toxicity is outpacing the addition of overdose prevention services, despite an unprecedented number of new treatment and harm-reduction services, it said.
The B.C. Civil Liberties Association called for the full decriminalization of all drug possession for personal use, as well as the sharing or selling of drugs for subsistence, to support personal drug use costs or to provide a safe supply.
The Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs noted that First Nations people were 5.4 times more likely to fatally overdose than others and said the crisis is a symptom of unaddressed, long-term problems.
"We call for safe and affordable housing, mental and physical health systems free from racism and discrimination, accessible socio-economic services to support people in crisis, and a full spectrum of culturally appropriate substance-use services to meet the needs of all people who use drugs," Grand Chief Stewart Phillip said in a statement.
This report by The Canadian Press was first published Aug. 31, 2022.
Amy Smart, The Canadian Press
SOURCE : https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b-c-club-hands-out-hard-drugs-in-bid-to-save-lives-despite-health-canada-rejection/ar-AA11kaBs?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6310c9c032db4d0cbf67d7cde757ece2
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nono_fr
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In France, doctors deliver subutex, a synthetic opiate .
What is subutex ? - https://www.opium.org/subutex-safe-treatment-opiate-addiction.html
with subutex you can reduce the dose gradually ( as explain here in dopamine explanation ) and it don't give a " rush " like real heroin . it is long time liberation .
What is subutex ? - https://www.opium.org/subutex-safe-treatment-opiate-addiction.html
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with subutex you can reduce the dose gradually ( as explain here in dopamine explanation ) and it don't give a " rush " like real heroin . it is long time liberation .
St. Phatty
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The so-called Opioid Epidemic is 100% a product of the medical/criminal industry.
They made money prescribing too much.
Then realized that people were just staying home & taking their medications - and not going to the "doctor" and spending money.
The biggest concern of the medical/criminal industry is declines in their own revenues.
That's why Sicko's like the Boston Children's Hospital are so busy doing plastic surgery on the genitals of children. Because that's a $100,000+ operation.
They made money prescribing too much.
Then realized that people were just staying home & taking their medications - and not going to the "doctor" and spending money.
The biggest concern of the medical/criminal industry is declines in their own revenues.
That's why Sicko's like the Boston Children's Hospital are so busy doing plastic surgery on the genitals of children. Because that's a $100,000+ operation.
Smoking a joint enjoying life. Turns out reefer madness is not true nor is all the other propaganda about "hard" drugs. Heroin is no more addictive then tobacco and is far less damaging to your mind or body. Alcohol is far more harmful then any psychedelic including PSP. But narcs will still pimp the same propaganda claim that illicit drugs are more harmful and addictive then legal drugs and the quacks in the medical professions will back them up. And morons will repeat the propaganda verbatim. History repeats!
