BowlFinger
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Big herb or SCF, could you help a voter out with a list of the proper candidates to vote for? I'm about to do a little searching on my own,but I figured one of you could short track me to the proper candidates. Thanks.
BhT goes toe-to-toe with tea party fanatics
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I probably fit as more of a libertarian than anything ... but all this invective flung at the tea party is just hyperbolic nonsense. Smaller governement, less regulation, low taxes, respect and support for the principles of free enterprise .... these are fundamental elements of highly successful western free market democracies, not fringe, zealot positions by any stretch.
And last time I checked, neither repub's or dem's are openly and officially supporting legalization ...
cheers,
rabbit
And last time I checked, neither repub's or dem's are openly and officially supporting legalization ...
cheers,
rabbit
This was my first experience with the tea party other than what ive seen and heard through the media. I was somewhat disillusioned just like cloudbase as to think that these people may be rational human beings who really care for their country and the people in it.
That is not what I saw at this rally. I heard little of the ideas I believed in (small government, more states rights, less taxes, etc.) as I did that obama was a socialist freedom hating tax hungry tribesman, that anyone who didnt believe in the tea party was guilty of treason, that any mexican inside our country should be arrested on sight and alot of other nonsense that was so ridiculous my mind wouldnt even let it congregate in my memory.
These people had an agenda, plain and simple. They were not there to learn anything new. These people did not attempt to look at any other views other then their own and they would not consider any train of thought that I could comprehend as rational.
I was really disappointed to learn how closed minded and radical the majority of these tea party members are. I really dont associate myself with any party, because I think the party system makes a mockery of our democracy. People should run a campaign based on thier own ideas and beliefs, rather than have so many people vote blindly on a candidate purely based on their party affiliation.
The amount of crazy I saw could only surmount to what watching a marathon of jerry springer would be like. One of the key note speakers of this rally was a father who's son had been shot by (wait for it....) yep thats right, an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. This father lost his son and for that I can not even imagine how horrible something like that would be. But he continued to get up and say some of the most hateful ignorant shit ive ever heard. It seemed like they really went searching for this person so that they could spew some racist anti-mexican dribbel on a loudspeaker without looking like they racist assholes they really were.
After the rally a friend and myself got into a pretty heated argument over why I was actually at a rally like that. He is a confirmed tea party fanatic and believes that the tea party will save america. He told me that it was amazing the amount of support they have raised out of grass roots movement and that surely they will be able to force many candidates to sway to their views.
Unfortunatly, the reality is in a county of over 3.4 million people, less than 300 people attended this rally. Which I could only compare that these same numbers could have been acheived by any group of radicals, rather it be the KKK or gays against kittens movement. If you spew enough ridiculously crazy shit, your bound to attract a crowd and other like minded people. Do I really think the tea party could ever really effect change? No. I think that the media has overplayed the roll of the tea party movement for whatever reason that is unbeknownst to me.
Maybe they're right....Maybe im just some smut peddling, freedom hating, liberal druggie. But what I am certain of is that I am not one of these closet racist tea member absoultists.
Sure they get behind a few things that I also can believe in (small government, more states rights, less taxes, etc.) but who doesnt? I have yet to hear a single other person that has told me they want a huge overzealous federal government that gives no rights to the states to govern themselfs and who tax the shit out of us. But it has become overly obvious, that there is much more to the tea party then these ideals.
To me it seemed like a mere faux to hold a rally for white people who didnt want to see any mexicans, blacks, or muslims in their country reaping any benefits. I saw and heard alot of hate at this rally and I was truly disgusted in the amount of ignorance that is still clouding many people's minds. I thought this was 2010, but it sure felt like I was watching something from the history channel courtesy of the anti-civil rights movement.
Preacher
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A good summary of what this force is based on what I've read and seen are along these lines. The tea party are nihilistic. They're not actually FOR anything. They're entirely based on being against government in general, and particularly a president who the racist members direly need to believe is destroying everything and not eligible to be president (that's the idea behind the birther movement- a person of an inferior race can't possibly hold such a superior job legally). The reason they're so irrational and angry is because they economic collapse, stimulus and all that business has completely shattered their comfortable illusion that they can live independently of the government so long as the government just stays out of their way. Obama and the economy have forced them to face the fact that they're all interdependent on the government and they're fucking pissed about that.
Sadly a good many of them are working-class idiots who are being manipulated against their own best interests. The Democrats have given them better regulated health care, lower tax rates, a pretty good amount in unemployment money, and a higher PELL grant that I've enjoyed this year. And of course the people who actually have enough money to organize tea parties are the only ones at the events to have had their taxes raised since Obama so as usual it's just rich white assholes manipulating the poor and perpetuating the (rather ingenious) fictitious idea that rich white assholes should be rewarded because while the tea partiers are poor right now now, soon they'll join the ranks of the rich through hard work, dedication, no actual realistic fucking reason whatsoever, and most assuredly ONLY if the government doesn't interfere in white heterosexual Christian lives (of course fuck the rest of 'em). Of course government deregulation is what allowed bankers etc. to make dangerous gambles with insane amounts of money they didn't have thus causing this historically massive depression but thank God that's well beyond the comprehension or attention span of any tea partier.
tl;dr: the tea party is irrational because they and their puppetmasters bloody well like it that way
Sadly a good many of them are working-class idiots who are being manipulated against their own best interests. The Democrats have given them better regulated health care, lower tax rates, a pretty good amount in unemployment money, and a higher PELL grant that I've enjoyed this year. And of course the people who actually have enough money to organize tea parties are the only ones at the events to have had their taxes raised since Obama so as usual it's just rich white assholes manipulating the poor and perpetuating the (rather ingenious) fictitious idea that rich white assholes should be rewarded because while the tea partiers are poor right now now, soon they'll join the ranks of the rich through hard work, dedication, no actual realistic fucking reason whatsoever, and most assuredly ONLY if the government doesn't interfere in white heterosexual Christian lives (of course fuck the rest of 'em). Of course government deregulation is what allowed bankers etc. to make dangerous gambles with insane amounts of money they didn't have thus causing this historically massive depression but thank God that's well beyond the comprehension or attention span of any tea partier.
tl;dr: the tea party is irrational because they and their puppetmasters bloody well like it that way
Isn't the proper term "Tea Baggers"?
What happened to that anyway?
What happened to that anyway?
Looting the poor doesn't turn up much loot.
sac beh
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*scratching head*
I've been re-reading this for 10 minutes now, trying to figure out what he's saying. Is it a shot at leftism? Is it a criticism of growers voting against 19? But then reading it differently it sounds like a criticism of those who criticize anti-19 folks for seeking their best interest. I give up.
How in the world you managed to read that? After thinking for 10 minutes what the obvious statement means? Anti-19 growers acting out of the same type of selfish "best interest" as leftists. Leftists want "rich" to pay for their benefits. Anti-19 growers want MJ users pay with their freedom for their "best interest", i.e. secured profits.
cashpoor357
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There is a wonderful merging of Republicans, independents and libertarians in the tea party. These folks talk of personal responsibility. Hemp and cannabis have their place in the "leave me alone" type of government these folks talk about. Don't vote for democrats just cuz you want to get ripped legally. The republican party is your best hope for getting government out in this present environment.
sac beh
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That each person should contribute to the commons in proportion to his/her ability (the leftist view) is not the same as asking the rich to pay for everyone else's benefits (I don't know whose view). So I fail to see how you connect anti-19ers with the heart and soul of the left.
sac beh
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But didn't you read BHT's testimony, that this wonderful merging of personal responsibility folks hate the idea of legalizing the plant?
sac beh - Don't even bother thinking too hard... I'm pretty sure it's just the same mentality as putting a crap rider on an important bill... the same "best interest" as the rightys... 
Hate is a severe understatement as to what the majority of the tea party members felt towards marijuana legalization...
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BadRabbit: I think you and I share many of the same views. The idea that government has grown too large is what got the Tea Party started, but since then the ship has been hijacked.
I don't think the standard fare of republican candidates are going to do anything good for our country. How is Palin now part of the Tea Party? What exactly makes John McCain's policies anything remotely similar to a libertarian?
Preacher
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The ways in which the tea party have strayed are nicely exemplified with my thoughts on their stance back in April '09 when all the information about them I was exposed to was a flier.
Me: hm, they're for less taxation, civil liberties, and less government intrusion in our personal lives. Well shit that sounds pretty good.
My mother: you know that's an anti-Obama rally right?
Me: REALLY? *is stunned because Obama had already somewhat done two of those things on the list*
Me: hm, they're for less taxation, civil liberties, and less government intrusion in our personal lives. Well shit that sounds pretty good.
My mother: you know that's an anti-Obama rally right?
Me: REALLY? *is stunned because Obama had already somewhat done two of those things on the list*
Its sad but true. These people do have an agenda, and its not at the interest of freedom, its at the interest of control. And when they loose control as you see.... Im glad you didnt press charges. Just made her look stupid.
I'm glad you did what you did, takes a lot of courage to actually talk to people.
I am currently in conversation with my local Sheriff trying to a way to implement safe access as its unheard of here. He is very receptive when you speak with them and educate them. Show them you are not afraid, nor hiding anything, and your intelligence level is not decreased due to smoking marijuana LOL. Although your sense of humor is INCREASED.
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