If trump becomes president I'm moving out of this country!! Just the thought of it makes me ill....
So Bernie Sanders differentiating his ideology from true socialism by calling himself a democratic socialist (aka social democrat aka welfare statist) is now comparable to communist authoritarian dictatorships?
Talk like that tells me you know squat.
Exactly, Cannavore...on another thread, he's called as "Marxist". Wish people would really listen or dig for the truth rather than spewing something they heard (and undoubtedly skewed!).
Yeah, he has 'radical' ideas, but they make sense!
IF he were a Communist or a Marxist, would be have been elected for years?
Although Trump may be the brightest of a very sorry lot, Mrs. Babba I wouldn't worry too much about him getting elected. And Jhnn, I wouldn't get too upset by this bunch of knuckle dragers. They won't even vote.
Bernie was out trick or treating last night with his grandchildren, all adopted Chinese kids by his son Levi, in Lebanon, N.H., almost in my neighborhood. I wonder what Trump would look like trailing around after some kids on Halloween.
Bernie Sanders is a real person. Donald Trump is a media persona, a propaganda construct, a showman & a charlatan.
The right wing rhetoric of resentment, rage & denial is obviously extremely intoxicating for some people. Apparently addictive as well.
The ideology of the Right was ascendant for decades, culminating in the Bush Admin & Repub Congress. Even though that didn't work out nearly as well as they claimed it would, Righties refuse to reconsider what they believe in, simply becoming more fervent in their Faith.
It's really quite sad to see people's best qualities turned against them.
the world needs a serious person leading the U.S now... not some dude worrying about ATM charges...
bombadil.360 said:Carson and Trump at least tell you the truth of what their agenda is, you can see them coming from miles away...
And again he does disservice to himself for using Scandinavia as an example when the US has its own history of democratic socialism.The reason why Bernie supporters are smoking crack is because he keeps using tiny European countries as his example of what the US should be. There is a huge difference between the US and Norway or Denmark
Okay so lets put a speculative tax on wall street transactions so we can have tuition free higher public education in this country and get rid of the free trade deals which gutted tens of thousands of factoriesfrom this country like Bernie Sanders has proposed. Incremental minimum wage increase and a trillion in domestic infrastructure spending would help too as again he has proposed.the biggest difference being the US has like 50% of the population is uneducated, or poorly educated lazy non working slugs that sit home and scum welfare and every other available government program. These countries he is using as an example have many more people that work and contribute, the people are for the most part well educated and productive.
Of course taxes must be "raised" to get this done, but most of what would go into raised taxes are stuff you're already buying into (health care is one).And the kicker is all of these socialist countries have higher taxes which pay for all of the government sponsored programs, but this works much more efficiently when a greater amount of the population pays their fair share of taxes.
Define communism or tell me how Sanders (or even Obama) are communists? Or even socialists lol cause they are neither. Especially Obama he's a fuckin centrist all day long.It's hard to even debate this subject though because people that conceptualize communism as something to aspire to are not thinking clearly to begin with, the US should just split in half, the liberals take their half and the conservatives take theirs. I am personally sick of these democrats constantly asking for more from me, telling me transgenders are hero's, while flooding the country with immigrants of all sorts and demonizing everything as racist.
I am sick of it all, I am sick of paying for people that are too lazy to help them selves, I don't believe everyone should get a free college education, I don't think anyone should get free houses, food or healthcare or anything else, if you want it work for it like the rest of us.
We are staring at an 18 trillion dollar debt, our food is full of poisonous chemicals, our environment is fucked, our oceans are dying, heating and becoming toxic, our air is polluted, what the hell are we doing? What the hell kind of mess is this to leave to our children? Children being born today are being born into life long debt enslavement and will have to work their asses off to fix our environmental catastrophe we are leaving them.
And now you introduce the flying pig principle as if an avowed Communist could win the Democratic nomination.
Then back to Commie smears.
You go on like Joe McCarthy.
So Bernie Sanders differentiating his ideology from true socialism by calling himself a democratic socialist (aka social democrat aka welfare statist) is now comparable to communist authoritarian dictatorships?
Talk like that tells me you know squat.
. And Jhnn, I wouldn't get too upset by this bunch of knuckle dragers. They won't even vote.
Exactly, Cannavore...on another thread, he's called as "Marxist". Wish people would really listen or dig for the truth rather than spewing something they heard (and undoubtedly skewed!).
Yeah, he has 'radical' ideas, but they make sense!
IF he were a Communist or a Marxist, would be have been elected for years?
You were the one who corrected me and said, "Ideologically speaking he calls himself a democratic socialist which differs from true socialism."
Yes and because america has gone so far right, you and millions of others view a progressive as a socialist.
Define socialism and explain how Bernie Sanders is a socialist other than saying he personally identifies as a socialist, because I already responded to that. American politics is so far right even Bernie thinks he is radical. Now was he more aligned with socialism in his youth? I wouldn't doubt it. He was also a pacifist which he is not any more.You emphasized he identifies as a democratic socialist. If you identify as a socialist you're a socialist. My comment emphasized that you can add democrat, republican, whatever in front of something and it's still what it is. The whole lipstick on a pig thing. You can't subscribe to just the "good" parts of an idea and be stupid enough to realize the rest won't go along with it when you get the ball rolling. It doesn't work that way.
I'm only worried with his voting record and his positions he's held in office. Like being against the Iraq war in 03 or whenever that was, against the tpp and other free trade deals, against repealing glass-steagall, pro gay marriage since the 70s or 80s, vehemently standing up for the middle class.. things like that.
Lol that's like other politicians who go around trying to get elected saying they are capitalists. Sanders is the longest serving independent in congressional history or something like that.Why not? He's been elected as a Socialist for years in Vermont.
When others truth don't match with yours it isn't truth is it?
Yes and because america has gone so far right, you and millions of others view a progressive as a socialist.
Define socialism and explain how Bernie Sanders is a socialist other than saying he personally identifies as a socialist, because I already responded to that. American politics is so far right even Bernie thinks he is radical. Now was he more aligned with socialism in his youth? I wouldn't doubt it. He was also a pacifist which he is not any more.
I'm only worried with his voting record and his positions he's held in office. Like being against the Iraq war in 03 or whenever that was, against the tpp and other free trade deals, against repealing glass-steagall, pro gay marriage since the 70s or 80s, vehemently standing up for the middle class.. things like that.
Lol that's like other politicians who go around trying to get elected saying they are capitalists. Sanders is the longest serving independent in congressional history or something like that.
I know and he does a great disservice to himself for saying that.
And again he does disservice to himself for using Scandinavia as an example when the US has its own history of democratic socialism.
Lol. You're a funny man Jhhnn. 20-30 years ago it was unfathomable that a person that identified as an avowed Socialist would even be considered to run for president of the Democratic. Funny how democratic ideas/values change given enough time.
Define communism or tell me how Sanders (or even Obama) are communists? Or even socialists lol cause they are neither. Especially Obama he's a fuckin centrist all day long.
The Bill Ayers who visited the Whitehouse isn't that Bill Ayers.
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