Bernie Sanders calls for an end to marijuana prohibition

[aridbud]

Another reason to vote for the Bern....ATM fees!

Another reason to vote for the Bern....ATM fees!

Yahoo news
During a Hilary guest spot on Late Show with S. Cobert:

“What gets lost in the mix is that a lot of ATMs are privately owned,” and not run by banks, he said. Moreover, “ATM networks are expensive to maintain,” and fees help banks “cover the cost of maintaining those networks,” he said. Consumers who go to out-of-network ATMs are paying for convenience, Pommerehn said.

The idea would, however, line Clinton up neatly with her closest rival, self-described Democratic Socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Sanders has been battling banks on that turf for decades in speeches and legislation dating back to his days in the House of Representatives.

“Sen. Sanders has been fighting against sky-high ATM fees since 1996,” his policy director, Warren Gunnels, told Yahoo News by email. “As president, Sen. Sanders would make it a priority to stop big banks from charging these outrageous fees.”

Whether they are outrageous or merely the price of convenience is a matter of debate. But they are certainly soaring. A survey of 25 major markets released in early October by the financial services company Bankrate found that the fees have climbed 21 percent over the past five years, to a national average of $4.52 per transaction.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bill Maher, who interviewed Sanders on HBO’s “Real Time”, pressed Sanders on the point.

“Now this has been studied, the amount of tax revenue we would get just from taxing the people who I think your fans think you’re talking about -- the people who own a yacht -- does not come close to covering what you want to pay for,” Maher argued.

“Not true, not true,” the Democratic presidential hopeful responded.

Sanders then went through the largest items on his policy agenda -- Medicare for all; free college tuition at public institutions; higher Social Security benefits; and free child care -- and explained how each of them would only require asking more of wealthy Americans. [...]

The top 1 percent is made up of 1.13 million households with average incomes of $2.1 million a year, according to the Tax Policy Center. The New York Times estimates that increasing those households’ total tax burden from roughly one-third today to 40 percent would raise an additional $157 billion in revenue per year.

To put that amount in perspective, the Times noted that Sanders’ plan to cover the cost of undergraduate tuition at a public college or university would cost the federal government $47 billion.

Sanders intends to pay for his college plan, however, by taxing financial transactions. He has introduced Social Security legislation that expands benefits and extends the program’s solvency by eliminating the cap on taxable earnings, which currently means millionaires only contribute to the program on the first $118,500 they earn.

The senator told Maher he would pay for child care by closing corporate tax loopholes.

The arithmetic on a single-payer health care system is a little bit trickier. Although Sanders has not yet released a detailed single-payer plan, a similar bill introduced by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) would be financed in part by payroll taxes on middle-income and wealthy earners.

An analysis of the plan by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, projects that Conyers’ bill would reduce overall health care costs by $592 billion per year, ultimately saving consumers money.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-tax-the-rich_5622670ae4b0bce34700f168

Reason isn't a useful too when dealing with well propagandized & emotionally charged right wingers. It's like discussing the virgin birth with the Pope. They simply believe. Whatever "reasons" they have are mostly justifications after the fact, a form of simulated rationality all too common in our world.

Excellent piece on the subject-

http://web.archive.org/web/20010726030451/http://www.indymedia.org/print.php3?article_id=3159

 

[Red Fang]

Finally someone who wants to make real and positive changes, AND has a chance... Go Bernie!

 

[bombadil.360]

Reason isn't a useful too when dealing with well propagandized & emotionally charged right wingers. It's like discussing the virgin birth with the Pope. They simply believe. Whatever "reasons" they have are mostly justifications after the fact, a form of simulated rationality all too common in our world.

Excellent piece on the subject-

http://web.archive.org/web/20010726030451/http://www.indymedia.org/print.php3?article_id=3159

funny...

I'm not a republican nor a democrat, not independent or liberal and much less an anarchist...

it's all bullshit if you have not been clued in yet

but the deepest bullshit in the spectrum of politricks is the one leaning to the left...

are you guys blind or just willingly ignoring the history of the left and it promises?

seriously...

 

[Sforza]

Reason isn't a useful too when dealing with well propagandized & emotionally charged right wingers. It's like discussing the virgin birth with the Pope. They simply believe. Whatever "reasons" they have are mostly justifications after the fact, a form of simulated rationality all too common in our world.

Excellent piece on the subject-

http://web.archive.org/web/20010726030451/http://www.indymedia.org/print.php3?article_id=3159

Funny, J. From reading your posts, you are obviously both well-educated and intelligent, but when it comes to politics, you have so bought into the left-wing propaganda and have such a visceral emotionally charged hatred of conservatives that your rationality is right out the window.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

I am conservative, but I have some family members who are very liberal. I know that they are good people, but they have a different take on the world.

The view of the world that says about half the people in America are evil SOBs because they are not of the same political persuasion as I am and half are wonderful, insightful people, because they have the same political views as I have is very juvenile and not at all rational.

There are obviously a lot of good and bad points on both sides of the political spectrum or there would not be so many people on both sides.

Probably a lot of how we end up as liberals or conservatives has to do with one's genetics and the environment one was in when forming one's political views. After the fact of making that decision, probably mostly on emotional grounds, I agree that both those on the left and the right use very little reason but it is mostly a rationalization of why their side's positions are good and noble and the other side's are evil and wrong.

So anyway, I just wanted to point out that your description works equally well for both the left and the right-wingers.

It is mostly bullshit and is used by politicians to manipulate people so that they can wield power over us, which is why a limited government is good, because with limited government, their power over us is limited.

 

[aridbud]

Imagine that....declassifying cannabis AND repealing outrageous ATM fees.

Burn one for Bern....get out and vote (if he's part of the process, Hillary not winning Demo nomination)!!!!

 

[Jellyfish]

Although I don't remember him saying it, how many people on here thought Obama was going to do something about cannabis prohibition? At least in his second term? Can't blame congress for that, although they surely would have opposed such a proposal, if for no other reason than the fact that it came from Obama.

I have seen posts in ICMAG to the effect of, "Obama's gonna legalize weed right before he leaves the White House." But there's no reason to think he will.

I don't think Hillary will help our cause, unless it becomes a complete no-brainer, and something she can use to her political advantage.

It is nice to see a politician Bernie Sanders' age that sees and understands that legalization is the will of the people.

 

[igrowone]

Although I don't remember him saying it, how many people on here thought Obama was going to do something about cannabis prohibition? ...

this is a good point, but what did he promise?
from what i recall, it was that MMJ states will be allowed to chart their own course with medical cannabis
did he keep it? i would say that he did, but no extras were thrown in
federal enforcement still continues but for MMJ 'diversion' and other situations where state enforcement is lax(in the DEA mind)
unless a politician spells out exactly what you will get, don't expect much

 

[Gry]

Seems like the only ones who get what they want out of DC, are those in the the lobby biz.

Can recall Jimmy Carter stating it was his intent to decriminalize cannabis when he was running.

 

[Green Squall]

I watch FOX News as my main TV news source even though I'm a Democrat. Anyone seen Outnumbered? Those bitches are hot!

This coming election scares me. I can't picture voting for any of these people.

 

[minds_I]

in before the bin

 

[kinesis]

It is not a good day. He is for the bureaucracy not the people.

This is only 1/4 progress.

END THE CANNABIS BUREAUCRACY! Write your congress or presidential candidate today.

Trump and Hillary are the same, too.

 

[kinesis]

funny...

I'm not a republican nor a democrat, not independent or liberal and much less an anarchist...

it's all bullshit if you have not been clued in yet

but the deepest bullshit in the spectrum of politricks is the one leaning to the left...

are you guys blind or just willingly ignoring the history of the left and it promises?

seriously...

Yup.
Bureaucrats! That's all they are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Funny, J. From reading your posts, you are obviously both well-educated and intelligent, but when it comes to politics, you have so bought into the left-wing propaganda and have such a visceral emotionally charged hatred of conservatives that your rationality is right out the window.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

I am conservative, but I have some family members who are very liberal. I know that they are good people, but they have a different take on the world.

The view of the world that says about half the people in America are evil SOBs because they are not of the same political persuasion as I am and half are wonderful, insightful people, because they have the same political views as I have is very juvenile and not at all rational.

There are obviously a lot of good and bad points on both sides of the political spectrum or there would not be so many people on both sides.

Probably a lot of how we end up as liberals or conservatives has to do with one's genetics and the environment one was in when forming one's political views. After the fact of making that decision, probably mostly on emotional grounds, I agree that both those on the left and the right use very little reason but it is mostly a rationalization of why their side's positions are good and noble and the other side's are evil and wrong.

So anyway, I just wanted to point out that your description works equally well for both the left and the right-wingers.

It is mostly bullshit and is used by politicians to manipulate people so that they can wield power over us, which is why a limited government is good, because with limited government, their power over us is limited.

I was going to let all this go on by because I don't come here for politics But rather to talk about my hobby, gain friends & occasional bits of enlightenment.

I try to take it easy but sometimes I just have to say something, you know?

In the context of this thread I must take exception to this-

you have so bought into the left-wing propaganda and have such a visceral emotionally charged hatred of conservatives that your rationality is right out the window[/quote

Which was issued in response to a pretty bland observation about what Righties believe.

So what had I heard from them in this thread up to that point? What did they tell me they believed?

Bernie is a cypto-communist. Communist. Commie.
He'll finish destroying the country like Obama.
Dems will vote for communists.
Bernie keeps communist pamphlets from the 50's & 60's.
Obama, Hillary & God knows who else are part of a socialist cabal.
Trump will prosecute Obama & Clinton for fraud about Benghazi.
Holder & a whole bunch of people could go to prison if Trump becomes Prez.
We're headed for national bankruptcy.
Government programs are all going broke & rip off the workers in the first place.
Bernie is pulling a Chavez move.
Magical socialist funds.

I just lifted that stuff right out of some of the preceding posts. I omitted a great deal of negativity & straw man innuendo about what they think other people believe.

What part of any of that do you see as something other than highly emotional mudslinging? Is the tone not one of hatred & disdain?

Yet you only take exception to my remark about believers, transfer their emotional ranting onto me.

Might want to take a look at your own headset.

 

[resinryder]

Dems will vote for communists.

That's not quite what was posted or implied Jhhnn . What was post was---
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"If an avowed Communist was running against a Republican you guys would vote for him."

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not quite the context you decided to twist it into to make you point.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

I'll explain[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] by simplifying-
Read it to mean-
If the presidential race were held tomorrow, and the only choice you had on your ballot were between a Communist and a Republican, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]you guys, Democrats,[/FONT] would vote for the Communist over the Republican candidate.
And why not? It's the next logical step after Socialism from what history has shown.

I know you'd have to think about it for a minute but if he/she had the backing of the Democratic party, the Communist it would be. Hell, call him/her a Democratic Communist if it makes you feel better.
Calling Bernie a Democratic Socialist is cool. It sounds better than just the Socialist label. Kind of like the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has a nice ring to it until you realize what it is.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT]

 

[Jhhnn]

That's not quite what was posted or implied Jhhnn . What was post was---
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"If an avowed Communist was running against a Republican you guys would vote for him."

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not quite the context you decided to twist it into to make you point.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

I'll explain[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] by simplifying-
Read it to mean-
If the presidential race were held tomorrow, and the only choice you had on your ballot were between a Communist and a Republican, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]you guys, Democrats,[/FONT] would vote for the Communist over the Republican candidate.
And why not? It's the next logical step after Socialism from what history has shown.

I know you'd have to think about it for a minute but if he/she had the backing of the Democratic party, the Communist it would be. Hell, call him/her a Democratic Communist if it makes you feel better.
Calling Bernie a Democratic Socialist is cool. It sounds better than just the Socialist label. Kind of like the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has a nice ring to it until you realize what it is.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
[/FONT]

And now you introduce the flying pig principle as if an avowed Communist could win the Democratic nomination.

Then back to Commie smears.

You go on like Joe McCarthy.

 

[Cannavore]

So Bernie Sanders differentiating his ideology from true socialism by calling himself a democratic socialist (aka social democrat aka welfare statist) is now comparable to communist authoritarian dictatorships?

Talk like that tells me you know squat.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

So Bernie Sanders differentiating his ideology from true socialism by calling himself a democratic socialist (aka social democrat aka welfare statist) is now comparable to communist authoritarian dictatorships?

Talk like that tells me you know squat.

The reason why Bernie supporters are smoking crack is because he keeps using tiny European countries as his example of what the US should be. There is a huge difference between the US and Norway or Denmark, the biggest difference being the US has like 50% of the population is uneducated, or poorly educated lazy non working slugs that sit home and scum welfare and every other available government program. These countries he is using as an example have many more people that work and contribute, the people are for the most part well educated and productive.

And the kicker is all of these socialist countries have higher taxes which pay for all of the government sponsored programs, but this works much more efficiently when a greater amount of the population pays their fair share of taxes.

The US is supporting too much dead weight for Bernies idea's to work here.

It's hard to even debate this subject though because people that conceptualize communism as something to aspire to are not thinking clearly to begin with, the US should just split in half, the liberals take their half and the conservatives take theirs. I am personally sick of these democrats constantly asking for more from me, telling me transgenders are hero's, while flooding the country with immigrants of all sorts and demonizing everything as racist.

I am sick of it all, I am sick of paying for people that are too lazy to help them selves, I don't believe everyone should get a free college education, I don't think anyone should get free houses, food or healthcare or anything else, if you want it work for it like the rest of us.

We are staring at an 18 trillion dollar debt, our food is full of poisonous chemicals, our environment is fucked, our oceans are dying, heating and becoming toxic, our air is polluted, what the hell are we doing? What the hell kind of mess is this to leave to our children? Children being born today are being born into life long debt enslavement and will have to work their asses off to fix our environmental catastrophe we are leaving them.

God help them <-- and Im not even religious.

 

[Scrappy-doo]

Bleh, politics. I don't believe anything any of them say.

Like it or not, unless he fucks up bad Trump is gonna be the next President. It's a popularity contest these days, and the guy is a superstar. He's the republican Obama as far as stardom goes, no one can stop talking about him whether good or bad.

Too many people despise Hiliary and will vote Trump just to see her not get in, Sanders has no charisma, I just don't see him winning the dem nom unless Hiliary tanks with this shitstorm she's in.

Not saying I like the options either way, but it seems pretty inevitable from where I sit. It's business as usual on the political main stage. If you disagree, I hope I'm wrong. Politicians will say anything to win.

 

[bombadil.360]

There are real world examples of Bernie's ideologies not working, his speeches are populist, promising free stuff...

Well, if you can't see through the bs, you deserve Bernie... Don't cry later on or try to justify his failure by blaming lobbyists or a conspiracy from the right though lol...

History does indeed repeat itself...

Lets hope not though...