Aeroponic PC case scrog

[Strangely]

the link you posted to what i was talking about has a double http://, doesnt link forward.

I searched for it and checked your thread out all the same Cork. Cheers for the heads up Aero. I had already looked at it but as you'd called it serpentine something or other I didn't realise that was double root balling.

I think I was initially interested because it sounded vaguely sexual (!), however it does sound useful as I too will be keeping numbers down if I ever get round to growing. Now I mention it I'll be scrogging too and with one main light source (a 125w CFL) I may well have a crack at the HOG as well to a degree.

Right back to the man of the hour - Mr Aero those plants are looking really nice! I can't but my finger on it but I think they are mimicking your clean setup by looking kinda elegant, not too bushy. I'm talking sh1t and not even stoned, sheesh!

 

[Aerohead]

the link you posted to what i was talking about has a double http://, doesnt link forward.

your plants are looking great man, i cant wait to see the screen filled again

Sorry about that mate, figures the one time I don't check a link it's boogered!! Problem fixed..

On the heat issue arising out of the mister in the water, are you using any Pelletier styled cooling? I assume that would assist you greatly in controlling temps in the fogger unit. Parts for making Pelletier coolers are available on eBay for pretty cheap. Not terribly practical for cooling a large area, but... you don't need to cool a large area

I thought of using peltiers but I don't want to add the wattage to the grow. If this grow was a little bigger, I would put a nano reef chiller on the res, keep it at 65F, and watch them explode with growth. The radiator and fan is working pretty well and should be enough to jam this small space with buds.

Mr Aero those plants are looking really nice! I can't but my finger on it but I think they are mimicking your clean setup by looking kinda elegant, not too bushy. I'm talking sh1t and not even stoned, sheesh!

They are stretching a bit but I think I can control them with the screen. I am seeing excellent results from Melkor keeping his plants a little ways from the PL-L's not to mention his fimming skills. I also learned from Cork144 last round that I needed a little space between the large colas so a little stretch might help. Melkor is also fimming my plants for me so they will be bushes stuck in a screen soon.

Here is some more shots of the HB ladies today:

 

[virago420]

This is gonna be sweet. Cant wait to watch the grow progress man. Pulling up a chair. I love watching these hydro grows. Peace

 

[Aerohead]

Check out this root porn, the roots are very dense!!

 

[cork144]

THE SCREEN!

 

[Aerohead]

THE SCREEN!

Woohoo indeed, It's on again, here we go!!

 

[Huggie bear]

Those roots look so healthy and happy! I am totally going with a fogger set up!

 

[Aerohead]

Those roots look so healthy and happy! I am totally going with a fogger set up!

Let me know if you need any help with that, it took me a while to figure out the fog and I'm still learning.. The reward so far is root structures better than I have seen using high pressure aero.

 

[Marijuanasaur]

Let me know if you need any help with that, it took me a while to figure out the fog and I'm still learning.. The reward so far is root structures better than I have seen using high pressure aero.

How is DWC with a bubbler comparable to Aero? does the aero yield marginally better growth? What about in terms of ease of setup? I like both of these options... but i'm not sure.

 

[vanbl]

Where do I buy a screen like that?

 

[#1cheesebuds]

loven the root porn. very nice grow agen.

 

[Capn]

amazing micro grow, very inspiring.

 

[Hella THC]

Aero, this never ceases to amaze me. I LOVE getting baked and stopping into your thread to get mesmerized by the ghostly root porn you love to share with us! The roots, they are just so awesome looking. I've seen some nice roots in my life, but those are some of the DENSEST roots I've observed. The fogger is absolute win!

Can't wait to see you fill that screen. It's on!

Best,

- Hella

 

[Aerohead]

How is DWC with a bubbler comparable to Aero? does the aero yield marginally better growth? What about in terms of ease of setup? I like both of these options... but i'm not sure.

DWC produces results very close to low pressure aeroponics. I would say the aero is marginally better but much more complicated. High pressure aeroponics is an entirely different animal and whoops on DWC but it is very unforgiving, a crop can be lost quickly without constant maintenance.
I would recommend DWC hands down for Ease of use and yield. After a few DWC grows you could combine aero with DWC (most aero is just that) and see how you like it, more maintenance with a slightly better yield.

Where do I buy a screen like that?

I got that screen at target for $5.49

Thanks Hella, Cheesebuds, and capn, always a pleasure to see you post here..

 

[Aerohead]

Time for an update, I had to back off the nutes because I saw some early signs of nute burn before I even got to half strength veg. The nutes returned back to 1/4 strength.

They are growing fast, I started to train them to the screen today..

 

[dmt]

holy efin jebus! thats a seriously dialed pcg. super clean bro, props!

aero, just a quick question for a pro: my buddy has been rocking a pc for ages, and switched from those pl fixtures to t-5 sunblasters a couple years back when they were introduced and claims a dramatic difference from the lighting change. like 14-28 g difference. from all the posts ive read i know that strain, enviroment and grower all effect yield and quality. in your professional opinion vs my friends(becuase you have made me wanna set one up now), hes telling me to go with t-5 and you are rocking it with pl. both you guys are doing awesome, and have shown me both your work, but which light is superior? he claims a noticeable difference and would never go back to pl lights. id like to get advice from another master micro grower... i have done my own research and t-5 on paper seem superior...?

he also runs t-5 on the bottom facing up as well so he doesnt scrog them, wouldnt that max out yield too? thanks a bunch dude, d

 

[fatigues]

Isn't a 54watt T5HO (48") bent in half so it's doubled up essentially a 24" 55watt Pl-L? My 24" T5HOs are only 24 watt as I recall.

If so, the answer is that you can get a tighter lumens output in a given area (ie., more light intensity) from a Pl-L than a T5HO.

 

[Aerohead]

holy efin jebus! thats a seriously dialed pcg. super clean bro, props!

aero, just a quick question for a pro: my buddy has been rocking a pc for ages, and switched from those pl fixtures to t-5 sunblasters a couple years back when they were introduced and claims a dramatic difference from the lighting change. like 14-28 g difference. from all the posts ive read i know that strain, enviroment and grower all effect yield and quality. in your professional opinion vs my friends(becuase you have made me wanna set one up now), hes telling me to go with t-5 and you are rocking it with pl. both you guys are doing awesome, and have shown me both your work, but which light is superior? he claims a noticeable difference and would never go back to pl lights. id like to get advice from another master micro grower... i have done my own research and t-5 on paper seem superior...?

he also runs t-5 on the bottom facing up as well so he doesnt scrog them, wouldnt that max out yield too? thanks a bunch dude, d

PL-L's are T5's just bent in half and over driven a little more than T5 HO's. That said, PL-L's are slightly more intense because they are putting out more wattage at a given length. T5 HO's rated at 54w are 46" long, PL-L's (also called T5 Biax) are 21" x2 (bent in half) and run 55w, unbend them and they are 55w over 42" rather than 54w over 46" so they are more intense. These lights are both T5's except the PL-L's are superior to standard T5 HO.
I believe your friend has some other variables influencing his numbers than just the lights, it is very unlikely the Sunblasters are out performing PL-L's running at higher wattage per surface area. I would take the PL-L's any day especially since they cost much less than T5 HO's.

 

[Aerohead]

Isn't a 54watt T5HO (48") bent in half so it's doubled up essentially a 24" 55watt Pl-L? My 24" T5HOs are only 24 watt as I recall.

If so, the answer is that you can get a tighter lumens output in a given area (ie., more light intensity) from a Pl-L than a T5HO.

Fatigues, you are correct, T5 HO's run very close to 1 watt per inch, PL-L's run about 1.27 watts per inch, yes more light intensity in a given space.

 

[fatigues]

Fatigues, you are correct, T5 HO's run very close to 1 watt per inch, PL-L's run about 1.27 watts per inch, yes more light intensity in a given space.

And given that a 55 watt PL-L is emitting that light from a tube that is about half the length of a 54 watt T5HO, the PL-L is emitting significantly more light intensity for the plants directly beneath it (say, 4 inches away), than a T5HO emits on plants directly beneath it (the same 4 inches away).

When you spread that light over 4 feet of emission vs 2 feet of emission, you light more plants, yes, but with about half the intensity, even if the T5HO was running the same watts per inch.

As far as the "friend's opinion", my guess is that one or more of the following were true when he abandoned PL-L for T5HO a few years ago:

1) his original experience was not with a 55 watt PL-L, but much less wattage (very likely as the high wattage PL-L's are a relatively recent innovation);
2) the PL-L bulb's spectrum was sub-optimal; and,
3) the PL-L reflector he was using was probably quite poor.

If he had used 24 watt PL-L bulb with iffy color temperature and a crappy reflector, he probably would have experienced better overall light when he switched to a T5HO lamp with a proper reflector. So the friend's experience was not "wrong" and his conclusions were valid insofar as they applied to what he was comparing. He simply based his conclusions on older PL-L tech that was deployed without all the ducks lined up in a row to make the best of what PL-L now offers.