i don't go to those plays.
So u got a hate on for dj? Ur still rocking his genetics haha... tbh I got even more respect for dj now. His haters rock his genetics.... lmao...
The 1991 Act of the UPOV Convention (Article 1(iv)) defines a breeder as:
"- the person who bred, or discovered and developed, a variety"
Conditions for the Grant of the Breeder?s Right ( Chapter III )
A variety shall be granted protection if it is:
new,
distinct,
uniform and
stable
Acts Covered for Propagating Material
The following acts in respect of the propagating material of the protected variety require the authorization of the breeder:
(i) production or reproduction (multiplication),
(ii) conditioning for the purpose of propagation,
(iii) offering for sale,
(iv) selling or other marketing,
(v) exporting,
(vi) importing,
(vii) stocking for any of the purposes mentioned in (i) to (vi), above.
(f) Duration of the Breeder's Right (Article 19)
The breeder's right is granted for a period of not less than 20 years from the date of grant or, in the case of trees and vines, for not less than 25 years.
Are you stupid or what? Euphoria, Orange Bud, Skunk#1, Skunk#11 plus many more. The most skunk selections of any breeder out there!
Yeah Ma says hi but she won't fuck you anymore if you come around with your shit stinking of DJ's dick.
That was me you tool! Seriously most retarded poster ever = kopite!
Also on a more personal level I agree with BT that there are too many similar strain names out there and that one should acknowledge where you obtained your lines from and obviously give credit where it is due especially if a line has been worked extensively. I guess it more about morality for me and doing your own thing and not biting others rather than the legal side of things.
As for Yocs I feel F4 is more than worked enough to be considered yours and also that "Yocs Blueberry" or even something like "Blu-berriez" is fresh enough in terms of unique naming. You should however be nice and kind to DP and say inbreed for four generations using seed stock obtained from DP Blueberry circa 2012?(or whenever) in your strain description.
and since that post was yours then good! it's something I agree with but in relation to the bolded bit i'd say DP lacked morals I feel with regard to Dj..
Is this a serious question? Well Blueberry will be always DJ Short's creation, either if you improve it or not. If you spend a number of generations or years working and improving it, then it may be your own version of the Blueberry from DJ Short but it will never be your own creation and the variety will always be Blueberry (at least until you cross it to something else)! If the cultivar was bred and developed by someone else, then it's simply his creation (he was the breeder right?). Maybe the seeds you purchased will be your property or the plants you grow off them, or whatever cross you made with them, but the strain would always be the creation of the guy who developed it. I think it's common sense, just like with writers, artists, musicians and so on.
If you want to create a plant variety, get a few landraces or heirloom cultivars and breed them until you end with something new and distinctive like DJ Short did in the past. Then you would know all the years, investments and effort that creating a proper new plant cultivar demands. DJ Short wasn't an pollen chucker, he indeed was one of the very few legit cannabis breeders we had in our history. Let's give credit when credit is due. Everyone can cross plants, pollinate clones or reproduce a strain at home for years, but that's far from plant breeding or developing a new cultivar.
Also I find all those ramblings about "no one owns a plant" and all that don't make any sense. Well, of course plant and seeds pass from one hand to another like they have been for centuries, but if someone is breeding a new cultivar with his own hands and after investing years, hardwork and so on... he's the only owner and creator of that strain as he's the plant breeder that created it. Maybe you'll own the seeds if you buy them or you'll be able to do your own pollen chucking if you feel (and it's not controlled like with cannabis), but that's it. Cannabis cultivars didn't appear alone in the wild, they've always been the result of people's work and selection.
Peace.
P.S: Maybe this is not applicable to Cannabis yet but it's definitely a good starting point to understand what's going on with plant breeding and protection out there in the real world (of course this was needed to protect professional plant breeders who invest so much time and resources in developing new varieties, thus the protection his work is necessary to stop other from taking advantage on that, also the fact that is so easy to propagate a plant variety by anyone once it's been created):
Well, DJ Short's plants are definitely ticking all those points to be considered a proper new cannabis variety. Let's have a look now at what's going on with plant varieties out there:
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From: http://www.upov.int/portal/index.html.en
Conditions for the Grant of the Breeder's Right ( Chapter III )
A variety shall be granted protection if it is:
new,
distinct,
uniform and
stable
In addition to the protected variety itself, the scope of the breeders right also covers:
(i) varieties which are essentially derived from the protected variety, where the protected variety is not itself an essentially derived variety;
(ii) varieties which are not clearly distinguishable from the protected variety; and
(iii) varieties whose production requires the repeated use of the protected variety.
Very strange right? I find it confusing someone is soo happy with the DP version, hates dj blah blah and yet he uses djs genetics as he was the pioneering breeder of BB far as we all know.
I don't think people should be able to tm clones but seed varieties and their packaging is fine. Dj short should be able to tm BB just BB. Everyone after should call it say dutch passion BB or whoever BB.
Strange thread... confusing and all over the place
We are children of this earth and should be able to freely use what mother nature has given us.
Sure, but nature didn't give us Blueberries... maybe thai, afghan and mexican cultivars? Not really, they were also developed by man's selection through the years. The only thing that nature gave us was wild or primitive cannabis plants without much cannabinoids or terpenes. It happened the same with corn and Brassica Oleracea:
The same thing could work if we put Skunk#1, Haze, Northern Lights, Blueberry and so on at the bottom. Nature didn't give us brussel sprouts nor broccoli, they were bred by someone. Fortunately sice the time that Mendel, de Vries and others discovered how genetics work (and the modern genetic engeneering nowadays), plant breeding progressed so much that now any researcher or plant breeder can develop a plant cultivar within a few years. In the past it was done through decades or maybe even centuries by all the different hands that contributed to it empirically. It was the case of most crops (corn, rice, wheat...).
You are the only one that's lacking morals when you think that all the hardwork of this plant breeders or anyone else should be "donated for a better world". Would you like to work for free and for the sake of it? I would definitely love to live in a different society, but unfortunately we live nowadays in a capitalistic and market based one and even if we don't agree, we are fucked up. If I had the opportunity to work in a society where money wasn't needed or ruled everything, I'd definiety love to trade and exchange my work for other products or servicies, I'm sure that we would be all happier and society would progress in a different manner. But I think this is not the point on this debate, right? That's not the topic now, don't be demagogic.
As for the Blueberry being disctinctive enough... well for me the simple fact that DJ Short was one of the very few breeders in our history that created his works from original landrace stock is more than enoughand should be taken in account. Genetic background of his strains is definitely distinctive from the rest of the commercial strains (sharing mostly the same genetics) and that's what really matters if we speak of originality in plant breeding. Maybe if DJ wouldn't have been using afghan genes like most breeders did it would be even more original or revolutionary? probably as well.
But who has done that too apart from DJ and Skunkman anyway? The oldschool hippy pioneers? Maybe some spanish breeders and a few underground guys out there too? Well that's distinctive enough for me... definitely distinct from all the rest of people who are creating (new? not really) strains from others that already exist.
For me it's just the same as remixing or sampling in the music industry. That's cool but after all, they are just bringing back sounds from the past (that were very successful already!) and giving them a tiny twist, but no way they are creating or composing brand new stuff from zero. Either they don't have the skills/talent for that or they aren't really willing to work that hard and long in order to do it, or they are lazy because they are just looking for quick buck and not for originality and creativity. That's what I consider proper breeding anyway.
Vibes.