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Vote NO to legalize cannabis....Or else
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The Doktor
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I saw that and someone thinks it is a rad idea to not allow post editing. Doing this on a phone is no cakewalk.
I don't think that CO authorities are usurping your right to grow, at all. Well, not in terms of personal consumption, anyway. What growers fear disappearing but don't mention is that grey area where they make money at it.
There's a whole long list of forbidden chemicals for CO retail growers, with inspections & testing to that effect. The same can't be said of lesser growers, at all, particularly not caregivers or med growers, let alone black market providers.
That list isn't as extensive as the PAN list, but it's a helluva lot better than what we've become accustomed to, which was whatever growers thought they needed to do to get 'er done.
Hell, we've both seen it all discussed here at length, seen accounts & recommendations for chemicals never intended for use on food crops.
While an argument can be made to support more regulations for safer growing practices, I will only point you to the current state of corporate agriculture and the regulation of the vegetables you currently ingest, or at least vegetables ingested by those living in the US.
GMO crops laden with pesticide residues is exactly what you buy at the supermarket. Even "USDA Organic" foods have been taken over by big corporations. In the case of "organic" foods you can rest easy knowing that the pesticides they used came from a plant, never mind their toxicity to humans, or the interval required before harvest.
Pyrethrum can be sprayed on food crops 24 hours before harvest. Pyrethrum comes from Chrysanthemums, but I wouldn't want to bathe in it or eat it, nor would I want to ingest small amounts over an extended period of time, but unfortunately buying "organic" is the next best thing to growing your own food or getting it from a co-op or farmers market you trust.
Just because it's "legal" doesn't make it safe, and while pyrethrum is considered a fairly safe pesticide, it's chronic ingestion is completely unstudied and people ingest it daily, albeit in very small amounts. Just because it doesn't kill you, AKA it isn't "toxic", doesn't mean it doesn't interact or interrupt biological processes.
The Doktor
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The part you seem to be missing is that PM and other conglomerated have been growing tobacco for decades and the tech and resources at their disposal are more than all the growers in America combined. You keep going back to food crops for your chemical boogyman and those are not what they use for tobacco plants for consumption. I have more faith in the Fed and their regulations for safer MJ chemicals than I do from 99% of the growers today using every and anything they can to get that bag up to weight. We get that you need it to be all organic and shit personally bagged by the hippy hemp fairy and smoked with non combustible fire in an earth friendly glass pipe with filtered natural spring water straight out of the ground, but the rest of the population will not give a shit as long as it is good and it is at a reasonable price that also doesn't come with a pair of stainless steel tiffany cuffs and a bed and breakfast with bars on the windows. The only ones left growing their own stuff are going to be the same kind of folks that like to grow their own vegetables for either just themselves or to sell at some busted ass roadside produce stand. Because believe me, once the big money moves in, there will be boutiques for the connoisseur level no different than the high end cigar shops you see today. Once they can get the production levels up you will see the prices drop like a lead fart which will in turn make the small indoor growers and their shoestring grow ops with their dangerous chemicals and lord knows what else disappear. And to that I say good.
There is much worse than pyrethrins being sprayed on illegal marijuana crops right now.
At least in a legal scenario you could trace your product back to its source. A company and seller would be liable if you have adverse health effects because of their product.
Prohibition insures no one will know where their weed came from, so no one is ever liable. I could spray weed with windex, raid and pyrethrins, then sell it. No tests,no liablity.
I think a lot of the growers here forget how bad illegal commercial weed can be! There are way to many non-grower people smoking on chemical weed today to have legitimate worries about chemical weed in a legal scenario. It could only improve!
If you don`t believe me, just grow your own , and ignore the industry that will be legal marijuana. Everyone who buys it could at least have a tested and safe product.
Those who do not possess the necessary skill to produce their own pure clean product wouldn't care if citizens lost the right to grow. I personally use no bottles at all, employ bio-controls such as predator mites and beetles, and I compost my own materials to build my soil... my plants never see one single synthetic or lab made chemical. never one spray... no bud hardeners... no miticides, no pesticides. I use fermented plant extracts in a natural system. There is not a single dispensary or commercial grow op in this country that does the same. My level of quality is difficult to achieve on a commercial scale. I think your argument is asinine and uninformed. You are asking me to smoke an inferior product that contains traces of chemicals that are known to be cancerous... simply because the gub'ment says those chemicals, the ones that are known to be cancerous are OK...
You and I clearly disagree on what constitutes "connoisseur level"... I hope one day you get to actually experience it.
I also enjoy the fact that you point to tobacco as a leader of human health and safety... I like how you believe they hold your health above their profit margins... its quaint and makes me smile.
The Doktor
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By YOUR opinion it is an inferior product. I have smoked some of that holy organic master race weed and it is no different than my hydro weed. If anything, organic weed is rather lacking in the potency dept in my opinion.The only asinine argument here is your own. But just as SOF said, if you don't want to have anything to do with it, just ignore it and enjoy what makes you happy. But I think you are seriously delusional if you think that your client base will no longer be around like you think.
SirStynkalot
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Oh gods, it's still going!!
The right to grow our own is enshrined in the CO State Constitution, so unless a person moves elsewhere, giving that up to have legal weed is a non sequiter.
As the Doktor offers, I think that legal weed will be good for the average toker, both in terms of purity & price, not to even mention the getting busted part. It could, in truth, be grown outdoors & sold at a price that would make growing under lights economically unattractive.
Farmers get $2/lb for tobacco, a very labor intensive crop- cut, bundled & trucked to market. There's no reason to think that cannabis would fetch a helluva lot more in a market free of artificial scarcity. Think $20/oz, retail, most of that taxes.
As the Doktor offers, I think that legal weed will be good for the average toker, both in terms of purity & price, not to even mention the getting busted part. It could, in truth, be grown outdoors & sold at a price that would make growing under lights economically unattractive.
Farmers get $2/lb for tobacco, a very labor intensive crop- cut, bundled & trucked to market. There's no reason to think that cannabis would fetch a helluva lot more in a market free of artificial scarcity. Think $20/oz, retail, most of that taxes.
The Doktor
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Yeah, so long as you don't need to grow more than 6 plants. 7 plants and you go to jail for 1-3 years no questions asked.
That's what butwang kept saying as well....
Show me where it's happening. Should be all over the news/papers if folks are going to prison for 1-3 years for a one plant overrage.
And why all the 'noids?
25 years of gardens here. We've never been in count. Always a few extra as we look for new strains or make seeds... or more likely... just because we plain fucking feel like growing extra.
If you have proof folks are going down in this manner...show it.
I would love to see it.
Pot is still a cash cow for law enforcement.
The feds, with the sched 1 laws still in place, are still rewarding cops for plant seizures.
In legal states, whether medical or recreational, you'll rarely see arrests.
But overages are still counted as illegal and feds still pay for plants seized.
Once the feds reschedule pot, the cash rewards will cease.
Then afterwards, with pot rescheduled, the laws will be replaced with tax and grow license violations.
Laws will still need to be followed.
In Oregon, the MMJ laws protect us from arrests for a small overage.
Extra plants are seized, and then grower given a warning.
Gross overages (no specific amounts) are still dealt with criminally.
Following the rules seem to still be the best bet for safety.
No need to live in paranoia in legal states anymore.
Soon the whole US will be legal, get out and vote.
The feds, with the sched 1 laws still in place, are still rewarding cops for plant seizures.
In legal states, whether medical or recreational, you'll rarely see arrests.
But overages are still counted as illegal and feds still pay for plants seized.
Once the feds reschedule pot, the cash rewards will cease.
Then afterwards, with pot rescheduled, the laws will be replaced with tax and grow license violations.
Laws will still need to be followed.
In Oregon, the MMJ laws protect us from arrests for a small overage.
Extra plants are seized, and then grower given a warning.
Gross overages (no specific amounts) are still dealt with criminally.
Following the rules seem to still be the best bet for safety.
No need to live in paranoia in legal states anymore.
Soon the whole US will be legal, get out and vote.
You say you trust the government more than the growers. Is not the government composed of people with the same ethics. What is the difference between the two morally?
I would much rather the government stay out of my business. The government is way to corrupted because they are just like everyone else. If you are worried about poisons in your weed get it from a company that has it tested. You know someone who cares about their customer base and caters to their customers. Add money to it with an informed customer and that results in the best ethics. Add money and a ignorant customer who trusts the government to do their due dilligents and you get corruption. Corruption that leads to poisoned weed.
No government for me thank you. The poeple I am around are to stupid to make a informed vote.
I could live in Texas and grow 14958956893593 plants and never get caught. I really don't care "where it's happening" because the laws that are on the books say so.
You can argue that it "never happens" but the fact that it is STRICTLY ILLEGAL with PENALTIES OF 1-3 YEARS IMPRISONMENT for having 7-30 plants is obscene.
Meh. Reference Upton Sinclair.
And realize that legalization isn't just about med states, but rather the whole country. It's not like people in Oklahoma or a lot of places can currently get weed from a company that has it tested.
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