New kelp derived paclo

[BubbaBear]

Avalanche? The label say 1-2ml/gallon...but in talking to the forumlator, he says rates of 5ml/gallon is what many growers use (including him and me). Adding Mendocino Honey (at half the rate of Avalanche) will give a synergistic kick as well.

Timing? About 3 weeks prior to harvest is when I start and I stop about a week before harvest. I add it to every feeding (water or nutes) and according to the foumulator, Avalanche + Mendocino Honey produces very little PPMs and can be used right up to harvest (which many do).

Yes, Avalanche is a flower hardener and does nothing for "stacking" or reducing the stretch. You might try Growmore's Biocozyme as a foliar spray--as it does reduce the stretch and increases branching/stacking. I use it during veg and for the first week or two in flower (before flower formation); rates of 5ml/gal is what I use for both root and foliar feeding.

Thanks for the info, so you dont need to worry about over doing it or burn at 5ml a gallon, even when using other booster? what does it exactly do to your flowers, how does it make them harder ? Does it thicken them up with a burst of growth from the inside making them denser? Or does it physically change the texture of your flowers? Sorry for all the questions I'm just stoked to hear from someone with experience using this product.

 

[theother]

Very interesting. I think honestly when it comes to suspected pgr's they tend to schwag shit out and make hay rocks, definitely this doesn't do it, so that's interesting. The other PBz type product I have seen produce what seemed like quality to me was yellow bottle (brand) ooze (product). It's been a lot of years but I remember someone who ran it and produced not PBz looking hay. ALWAYs felt like I could smell the PBz in that one but no idea if it was there, quality was up and definitely cuts that tended to be loose got tight. Think the company is out of business or was maybe chased out of aus.

As far as the avalanche goes can't wait to hear how the tests turn out, in my world the anecdotal evidence is in and the stuff works it's just a question of if it's safe so waiting to hear. Again I'm not saying everyone should believe it works because I'm saying that, I haven't even used it myself just have anecdotal evidence from a friend that really is about as straight up as you can be. Never seen the guy go fanboy and recommend a single thing that wasn't legit, and his deal is very controlled, consistent yields time after time so when he says there up, I believe it.

 

[EclipseFour20]

IMHO, Avalanche primarily increases resins. Since I don't grow "larf", can not say it will make flowers "golf ball hard", but it seems to make "popcorn" (not always salable) into "marketable" buds. I use other "enhancers", so more than likely other things are going on in my garden.

Some people ramp up and ramp down Avalanche--start at 1 ml/gal, then gradually increasing to 5ml/gal then back down to 1ml/gal. To each his own.

Here is a link to a March 2014 podcast where the formulator for Grow More (Jacob) was interviewed about triacontanol, plant growth regulators and beneficial microbes...and he discusses a few of Grow More's products including: JumpStart, Biocozyme, Avalanche, and Mendocino Fuego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zXj0yc3KG5Q&list=PLfGidlA9pwylmbuUUCT8u3yAjglKLlEIH

Sorry...forgot about that podcast until this morning. It is over 1 hour long, but worth listening to over a pot of coffee and few fatties. Fair warning, Fuego is a "newer" product and kinda hard to find!

 

[Storm Shadow]

I just got off the phone with my boy at Grow More... another mystery to add to the conversation.... he says there is a fungicide in Mendo Avalanche ..didn't specify which one

He says its very similar to a product called Terpinator?

 

[BubbaBear]

IMHO, Avalanche primarily increases resins. Since I don't grow "larf", can not say it will make flowers "golf ball hard", but it seems to make "popcorn" (not always salable) into "marketable" buds. I use other "enhancers", so more than likely other things are going on in my garden.

Some people ramp up and ramp down Avalanche--start at 1 ml/gal, then gradually increasing to 5ml/gal then back down to 1ml/gal. To each his own.

Here is a link to a March 2014 podcast where the formulator for Grow More (Jacob) was interviewed about triacontanol, plant growth regulators and beneficial microbes...and he discusses a few of Grow More's products including: JumpStart, Biocozyme, Avalanche, and Mendocino Fuego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zXj0yc3KG5Q&list=PLfGidlA9pwylmbuUUCT8u3yAjglKLlEIH

Sorry...forgot about that podcast until this morning. It is over 1 hour long, but worth listening to over a pot of coffee and few fatties. Fair warning, Fuego is a "newer" product and kinda hard to find!

Great podcast thanks for sharing, very relevant to whats being talked about on this thread. Some quality additives there putting out. Why do you stop using Biocozym after week two of flower?

 

[BubbaBear]

I just got off the phone with my boy at Grow More... another mystery to add to the conversation.... he says there is a fungicide in Mendo Avalanche ..didn't specify which one

He says its very similar to a product called Terpinator?

Copper sulfate is used as a fungicide, but I wouldn't be surprised if chitosan was one of there secret ingredients its used as a fungicide too.

 

[EclipseFour20]

Great podcast thanks for sharing, very relevant to whats being talked about on this thread. Some quality additives there putting out. Why do you stop using Biocozym after week two of flower?

Ahhh, I stop "spraying" BioCozyme and JumpStart; around day 19-21, about the time flower formations are set...by then what real stretching that is going to happened, has already happened...not much I can do to change the plant structure now, other than encourage "production growth". At this point, Canna Boost becomes my sole foliar spray.

BTW, glad you picked up a few nuggets from the podcast....I too picked up on a few things that I incorporated in my garden, and sure glad I did--and saved some $$$ too. Grow More's products are rather affordable and great quality (try to get the freshet lot--sometimes the stuff close or past the expiration date is "funky").

 

[glow]

Very interesting. I think honestly when it comes to suspected pgr's they tend to schwag shit out and make hay rocks, definitely this doesn't do it, so that's interesting. The other PBz type product I have seen produce what seemed like quality to me was yellow bottle (brand) ooze (product). It's been a lot of years but I remember someone who ran it and produced not PBz looking hay. ALWAYs felt like I could smell the PBz in that one but no idea if it was there, quality was up and definitely cuts that tended to be loose got tight. Think the company is out of business or was maybe chased out of aus.

As far as the avalanche goes can't wait to hear how the tests turn out, in my world the anecdotal evidence is in and the stuff works it's just a question of if it's safe so waiting to hear. Again I'm not saying everyone should believe it works because I'm saying that, I haven't even used it myself just have anecdotal evidence from a friend that really is about as straight up as you can be. Never seen the guy go fanboy and recommend a single thing that wasn't legit, and his deal is very controlled, consistent yields time after time so when he says there up, I believe it.

They found Alar in Yellow Bottle Ooze - watch those Australian products - too many scum bags have been in the manufacturing game there for far too long and the whole PGR thing pretty much began in Australia with U-Turn (Yield Masta) many years ago (made by Mike Biggs who now heads Canadian Xpress). Then Dutchmaster took it to the next level and put PBZ and a known carcinogen in a bottle (Alar/daminozide) and flogged it as humatic isolates and proprietary phospholipid technology. Flower Dragon (PBZ/Alar) came from those days when one time DM employee Steve Berlow went out alone and rebranded Superbud (Phosphoload) and spun more lies to consumers.

I'll let you know the results on Avalanche when we have them. I'm sure given the company and the research Storm Shadow has been good enough to share with us that Cu will be the magic bullet. Again though I have my concerns about the high levels of a toxic heavy metal that will accumulate in plant tissue. Just because it isn't PBZ doesn't make it a product that is suitable for growing med. Ah bring back the good old days when growers simply used standard nutes and no additives.

 

[glow]

Copper sulfate is used as a fungicide, but I wouldn't be surprised if chitosan was one of there secret ingredients its used as a fungicide too.

The copper sulfate thing is complex and many organic registration bodies will now not allow its use unless you can prove an absolute need for it. Just because it is organic doesn't make it safe (non harmful).

 

[glow]

I just got off the phone with my boy at Grow More... another mystery to add to the conversation.... he says there is a fungicide in Mendo Avalanche ..didn't specify which one

He says its very similar to a product called Terpinator?

JA I expect or it could be acetylsalicylic acid (ASA) - we'll be mixing a few variants for the side-by-sides and have a few of our own tricks up our sleeves - already researched.

 

[glow]

Avalanche? The label say 1-2ml/gallon...but in talking to the forumlator, he says rates of 5ml/gallon is what many growers use (including him and me). Adding Mendocino Honey (at half the rate of Avalanche) will give a synergistic kick as well.

Timing? About 3 weeks prior to harvest is when I start and I stop about a week before harvest. I add it to every feeding (water or nutes) and according to the foumulator, Avalanche + Mendocino Honey produces very little PPMs and can be used right up to harvest (which many do).

Yes, Avalanche is a flower hardener and does nothing for "stacking" or reducing the stretch. You might try Growmore's Biocozyme as a foliar spray--as it does reduce the stretch and increases branching/stacking. I use it during veg and for the first week or two in flower (before flower formation); rates of 5ml/gal is what I use for both root and foliar feeding.

Thanks Eclipse - do you know the active in Growmore's Biocozyme. Sounds as if it may be a cytokinin but who knows???

I guess my aim is to develop something that is a safe alternative to PBZ and other chem PGRs. What's certain is there is a need for something that acts aggressively in reducing apical dominance but is safe to use and has no health implications for the end consumer. We've been playing with various things but haven't cracked it as to something that acts as aggressively as PBZ - although have come reasonably close.

 

[glow]

BTW - does the biocozyme smell a bit like molasses with an alcohol smell?

 

[stoned-trout]

good job glow , someday all weed will be tested for this shit.. I got tired of the med scene in san diego as they never tested for the bad stuff...I tried it all once way back,,,decieded never to use it again and haven't looked back..my weed is clean and natural and its not fair when some guys get to cheat and the consumer get tricked and lied to....if its medical it should be clean especially..no systemic insecticides and unhealthy pgrs...met a guy not long ago told me his insecticide systemic was gone in 2 weeks ... ya maybe the bottle dickhead

 

[BubbaBear]

Ahhh, I stop "spraying" BioCozyme and JumpStart; around day 19-21, about the time flower formations are set...by then what real stretching that is going to happened, has already happened...not much I can do to change the plant structure now, other than encourage "production growth". At this point, Canna Boost becomes my sole foliar spray.

BTW, glad you picked up a few nuggets from the podcast....I too picked up on a few things that I incorporated in my garden, and sure glad I did--and saved some $$$ too. Grow More's products are rather affordable and great quality (try to get the freshet lot--sometimes the stuff close or past the expiration date is "funky").

Oh gotcha you just stop foliar feeding at the end of week 3, that makes sence but, its beneficial to root feed all the way thru flower though right?

 

[BubbaBear]

BTW - does the biocozyme smell a bit like molasses with an alcohol smell?

No it smells more like kelp and organics, a bit like botanicares Pure Blend products. The listed ingredients are alfalfa meal, barley meal, bone meal and kelp meal.

 

[glow]

No it smells more like kelp and organics, a bit like botanicares Pure Blend products. The listed ingredients are alfalfa meal, barley meal, bone meal and kelp meal.

Thanks - ah the good old Tria is in there. I expect also cytokinins and amino acids. Just listened to the pod cast and I have emailed them to offer my support - if they come up clean and I expect they will I'll be promoting them in my new book and on my site. I've gone after the bad guys so time to support the good guys. Can't say as I agree with everything their formulator had to say but I like his style and he knows his shit. Let's hope more of these players enter the game and clean it up.

 

[glow]

good job glow , someday all weed will be tested for this shit.. I got tired of the med scene in san diego as they never tested for the bad stuff...I tried it all once way back,,,decieded never to use it again and haven't looked back..my weed is clean and natural and its not fair when some guys get to cheat and the consumer get tricked and lied to....if its medical it should be clean especially..no systemic insecticides and unhealthy pgrs...met a guy not long ago told me his insecticide systemic was gone in 2 weeks ... ya maybe the bottle dickhead

Unfortunately Ca tends to be a shit show which I expect may back fire on the cowboys who are growing. Ca will likely have to hand out licenses to ethical operators who adhere to strict policies around producing med. Its just damn sad to see med consumers being put in harms way by people (and that includes dispensaries) who have no right to be in the med game. I know ASA and others are doing a lot in this area ( I work with them sometimes) to ensure med patients are receiving clean med. While there are some cretins (unethical greed driven fools) out there, there are also some very good people. Cheers - here's to med and the good people in the game.

 

[BubbaBear]

http://www.hydrolightwholesale.com/index.php/hulk.html
I wonder what the magic ingredient in Hulk is ? lol, Its all natural and only $179 a liter, im gonna get me some lol jk. I like how they dont even say who makes it.

 

[glow]

Yeah while my memory of this one is vague it is definitely a chem PGR product. I think it also stems from Australia originally. Gotta love those Australians - must be something to do with the level of organized crime in their hydro industry (BTW - I hold an Ozzy passport and started my hydro career in that industry but one needs to be honest about their own country - I blame it on too much of the gene pool stemming from English convicts My next book I expect will be about my experiences as the author for this industry (cops, organized crime, being narked out by low life scum industry interests, death threats, having to arm to the teeth and go to war with not 1 but two bikie gangs etc). That industry is an utter shit show but also has some great people in it. Tough dynamic for them though - cross the wrong people and your store is burnt to the ground. A pal of mine was stood over by bikies to force him to hand over his formulas. The outcome was Cyco Nutrients etc etc etc. A lot of the good people have left the industry because of this type of thing and what is left is a few good ones and a lot of bad. And guess what - they're now in your country. Americans should boycott all Australian hydroponic goods until they clean up their act.

At least these cretins state: Hulk is a BULK packing growth regulator and stimulator. For use on ornamental plants only.. (Med aint ornamental)

 

[BubbaBear]

I like how Australian companies have names like Dutch Masters and Canadian express lol.For some crazy reason l thought Canadian express was from Canada lol.