The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!

[Pure777Extracts]

A Vigreux column is a glass distillation column used from fractional distillation. The inside of the column contains many rows of downward facing 'spikes' that condenses the distilling vapor as it passes through the column. This column is designed to face upwards so that the condensate falls back into the heated flask. The repeated vaporization and condensation processes that occurs as the condensate passes up the column allows for a more accurate distillation of mixtures by narrowing the boiling point window of condensate that makes it to the top of the column. This is the basic priciple behind fractional distillation and how the Vigreux column works...

 

[flatslabs]

adeptextracts: Who exactly are you replying to?

 

[Chonkski]

I just spoke with Critical Concentrates, which also produce their own solvent free, and he said they use steam distillation. He said the guy who does it for them used to make clear for those guys, but he is very private about the process. Although, he said he knows for a "FACT" that it goes through steam distillation, and nothing else.

 

[flatslabs]

I always preferred the conventional stove and oven over microwaved dinners

 

[Cartel530]

Yes i believe that is one of the articles i was referencing good search . I didnt see the actual PDF File Which explains everything and step by step to do it as well. If you read in the post He linked you will see that microwaves affect polar and non polar substances different than regular heat. The microwave can do things conventional heating methods can't. When i get to the house i will search the downloaded archives i have stored on my harddrive it usually has the PDF and documents

 

[Daub Marley]

The radiation produced by these microwaves is also dangerous so im sure a lot of the price has to do with being able to contain them safely as well.

In a way yes. If you hear the word "radiation" you will automatically get scared about it, and end up buying it out of fear. It costs them maybe $1 to add any extra shielding.

Ive read the PDF on milestone and still dont understand why its expensive. Even there patent says it can be any microwave. Why the hell hasnt anyone cut a hole in a microwave and put a condensor under it?

http://www.google.com/patents/US20100062121?cl=en

Screw the neos gr, i want the mac-75!

http://prodinra.inra.fr/ft?id=3363264A-CF8D-4190-9A53-483B470CC557

They don't sell many units and their overhead is high, but I believe that they are generally marketing this product to companies with a lot of money and can justify the expense with saved time, and what not. It would be idiotic to buy one of these and not at least try to build one yourself unless you have some serious cash on hand.
(I wouldn't buy one of those with a million $ cash siting around). Small companies would only look out of place because that's not their main customer, but you can certainly buy all kinds of clandestine shit without a large established company. Your story just has to make sense. As long as they cannot legally be held accountable they will sell it to you.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967308004032
From what I can gather in the patent the only advantage is saved time and energy. So the linchpin of the whole system for our uses is that it may be able to lighten the color of the extract. So the most important questions are:

1) What makes an extract yellow or darker colored?
2) How does Microwave hydrodiffusion make it lighter?
3 Are there any other ways to accomplish this?

 

[Chonkski]

In a way yes. If you hear the word "radiation" you will automatically get scared about it, and end up buying it out of fear. It costs them maybe $1 to add any extra shielding.

They don't sell many units and their overhead is high, but I believe that they are generally marketing this product to companies with a lot of money and can justify the expense with saved time, and what not. It would be idiotic to buy one of these and not at least try to build one yourself unless you have some serious cash on hand.
(I wouldn't buy one of those with a million $ cash siting around). Small companies would only look out of place because that's not their main customer, but you can certainly buy all kinds of clandestine shit without a large established company. Your story just has to make sense. As long as they cannot legally be held accountable they will sell it to you.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967308004032
From what I can gather in the patent the only advantage is saved time and energy. So the linchpin of the whole system for our uses is that it may be able to lighten the color of the extract. So the most important questions are:

1) What makes an extract yellow or darker colored?
2) How does Microwave hydrodiffusion make it lighter?
3 Are there any other ways to accomplish this?

4) Who's going to build one?!

 

[grow nerd]

Anyone have an e-nail and some dark old concentrates?

Why not try setting the heat real low, like starting at 200, and see what color reclaim pools up in the water after pulling on it for a bit (maybe with a vacuum pump).

 

[grow nerd]

As a side note... In its pure form, in the absence of terpenes, wouldn't the "raw clear" be practically undetectable if properly packaged, for transport situations? Say in a corn syrup bottle. Terpene blend (legal, transported by mail) to be added at destination. Too easy?

 

[primeform]

In a way yes. If you hear the word "radiation" you will automatically get scared about it, and end up buying it out of fear. It costs them maybe $1 to add any extra shielding.

They don't sell many units and their overhead is high, but I believe that they are generally marketing this product to companies with a lot of money and can justify the expense with saved time, and what not. It would be idiotic to buy one of these and not at least try to build one yourself unless you have some serious cash on hand.
(I wouldn't buy one of those with a million $ cash siting around). Small companies would only look out of place because that's not their main customer, but you can certainly buy all kinds of clandestine shit without a large established company. Your story just has to make sense. As long as they cannot legally be held accountable they will sell it to you.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021967308004032
From what I can gather in the patent the only advantage is saved time and energy. So the linchpin of the whole system for our uses is that it may be able to lighten the color of the extract. So the most important questions are:

1) What makes an extract yellow or darker colored?
2) How does Microwave hydrodiffusion make it lighter?
3 Are there any other ways to accomplish this?

Dude you finally nailed it on the head. No one has explained how the microwave process yields a clearer product. Based on all descriptions it is simply another extraction method. You would still need to refine this mixture to get pure thc or cannaboids like the clear. All this does is make it a "solventless" extraction. You would still need to steam distill it in order to purify. The ability to put plant material into a machine and use only electricity to extract material in a faster amount of time is still very intriguing.

Also the price of some glasswear and a microwave cannot be a major problem. Even if you couldn't buy specific lab flasks they could be easily made by thousands of amazing glass blowers in this industry. This application would require some custom glass work anyways since you need a perferated ceramic plate inside the flask in the microwave.

My personal opinion is a rotovapor or other distilling device would still be necessary after SCFE or MHG.


Matter of fact, Alpine Vapor just verified that on there website.

"We start with all-natural organic cannabis grown locally, and isolate the THC from the plant using cutting edge MHG (Microwave Hydrodiffusion and Gravity) and SCFE (Supercritical Fluid Extraction) technologies. These solvent-free technologies leave us with raw d9-THC and CBD, which are then further purified via vacuum distillation."

 

[primeform]

As a side note... In its pure form, in the absence of terpenes, wouldn't the "raw clear" be practically undetectable if properly packaged, for transport situations? Say in a corn syrup bottle. Terpene blend (legal, transported by mail) to be added at destination. Too easy?

bingo

 

[primeform]

4) Who's going to build one?!

I guess ill do it shit.

Or how about this dude.

http://microwaveprocessing.com/MainMenuTemplate.htm

 

[Daub Marley]

As a side note... In its pure form, in the absence of terpenes, wouldn't the "raw clear" be practically undetectable if properly packaged, for transport situations? Say in a corn syrup bottle. Terpene blend (legal, transported by mail) to be added at destination. Too easy?

It depend on how much they refine it, but in general caryophyllene has a relatively high boiling point and usually gets carried into the extract to enough of a degree so that it is still detectable to dogs. I don't really know if it works tbh, but I'm sure it can be done.

 

[soysoz]

I guess ill do it shit.

Or how about this dude.

http://microwaveprocessing.com/MainMenuTemplate.htm

You could also add a vacuum to help with the oxidation levels of the terpenoids and energy consumption

 

[Chonkski]

Dude you finally nailed it on the head. No one has explained how the microwave process yields a clearer product. Based on all descriptions it is simply another extraction method. You would still need to refine this mixture to get pure thc or cannaboids like the clear. All this does is make it a "solventless" extraction. You would still need to steam distill it in order to purify. The ability to put plant material into a machine and use only electricity to extract material in a faster amount of time is still very intriguing.

Also the price of some glasswear and a microwave cannot be a major problem. Even if you couldn't buy specific lab flasks they could be easily made by thousands of amazing glass blowers in this industry. This application would require some custom glass work anyways since you need a perferated ceramic plate inside the flask in the microwave.

My personal opinion is a rotovapor or other distilling device would still be necessary after SCFE or MHG.


Matter of fact, Alpine Vapor just verified that on there website.

"We start with all-natural organic cannabis grown locally, and isolate the THC from the plant using cutting edge MHG (Microwave Hydrodiffusion and Gravity) and SCFE (Supercritical Fluid Extraction) technologies. These solvent-free technologies leave us with raw d9-THC and CBD, which are then further purified via vacuum distillation."

So then what would be the difference of just steam distilling winterized BHO?

 

[flatslabs]

So then what would be the difference of just steam distilling winterized BHO?

In my opinion, mind you having never used an SFME device, the only benefits I see over steam distillation for this particular application are ease of use, and time... unless there is some unexplained microwave magic going on in that box.

 

[primeform]

So then what would be the difference of just steam distilling winterized BHO?

about 5 bank accounts, 3 ounces, and 2 vehicles says xzibit

 

[Chonkski]

Time to get a kit.

 

[G.O. Joe]

So then what would be the difference of just steam distilling winterized BHO?

Some local superheating may occur, which should be needed to distill THC with water. The microwaving might do odd things to the trichomes that steam wouldn't. Maybe they pop like popcorn.

It might be possible to get good microwave superheating, unusually high temperature steam distillation, by mixing decarbed winterized oil with water saturated with salt.

Lab equipment is expensive because the target buyers have deep pockets.

 

[flatslabs]

Lets load this guy up with some popcorn and see what happens:
http://oilextech.com/