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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
- Thread starter bigherb
- Start date
motherfucking score. cant believe I overlooked ace seeds
bigherb's research reveals that the first generation of haze was Colombian Punto Rojo...
bigherb said:
Sam has confirmed this...
Sam_Skunkman said:
But Sam has also mentioned...
And detailed his own contribution...
Robert Clarke (Sam's friend) added...Knowsitall4sure=Sam said:
Where do the Wacky Weed, Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold come into the picture, in light of bigherb's contention that Punto Rojo was the sole ingredient in haze until 1976?RobertClarke said:
bigherb said:
Were the Wacky Weed and Punto Rojo one in the the same? Was the Colombian Gold the first out cross followed by Acapulco Gold in 1976?
Is the mythical formula - Punto Rojo / Colombian Gold / Acapulco Gold / Keralan & Thai Stick?
Be great if Sam could polish off the final details, otherwise Arjan might end up having the final word..
FrancoGH said:
Seedsman´s Haze
Pantagruelion
Member
@Bushweed: you are an animal! Some sort of aussie marsupial weed beast. Pouch stuffed with dank no doubt.
@ Sam: Restocking any Cultivator's Choice gear anytime soon?
@ Sam: Restocking any Cultivator's Choice gear anytime soon?
been awhile since I visited this thread .......think I did relay info on dubi's Purple Haze f3....but if not finished in Dec. outdoors here in central Cali.......nice maroon/violet in color .....good, but unfortunately not what I was hoping to rekindle from years ago....
all the best to those in the quest.............
ganj on.....
all the best to those in the quest.............
ganj on.....
Seedsman´s haze (left) and Tom Hill´s (right)
I'd like to say thanks to the Haze heads for keeping this thread alive and lets take em to Church
Great to see you posting brother ,Hope all is well
I always get excited to see apost from you caz your descriptive, vivid recollections an immense experience are a rarity nowadays
I dont recall any other post from you on your Ace P.Haze experience ,Curious how many plant did you run ? Also have you seen the malawi hybrid sounds like haze got a steroid shot
Did you have some lumbo n Thai goin last summer any luck with those ? What's on the List this year ?
Im curious too see what you would think of CBG punto Rojo ,From pics ive seen that Line is treasure from past times
Much Respect
Always keepin it hazy lov that
Nice side by side ,Did you start the plants at the same time ?
Curious as THH seems much futher along
Best wishes an keep us posted
Bushy my brother
You have been killin it lately ,Major props. It feels like old times lookin at your pics
I like when you brain storm once in awhile
Id just like to add two quotes to your collective of quotes to ponder on
[QUOTE]"All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros [/B], Sacred seeds tried to stabilize Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their progeny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids"[/QUOTE]
1luvbigherb
Great to see you posting brother ,Hope all is well
I always get excited to see apost from you caz your descriptive, vivid recollections an immense experience are a rarity nowadays
I dont recall any other post from you on your Ace P.Haze experience ,Curious how many plant did you run ? Also have you seen the malawi hybrid sounds like haze got a steroid shot
Did you have some lumbo n Thai goin last summer any luck with those ? What's on the List this year ?
Im curious too see what you would think of CBG punto Rojo ,From pics ive seen that Line is treasure from past times
Much Respect
Always keepin it hazy lov that
Nice side by side ,Did you start the plants at the same time ?
Curious as THH seems much futher along
Best wishes an keep us posted
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bigherb's research reveals that the first generation of haze was Colombian Punto Rojo...
Sam has confirmed this...
But Sam has also mentioned...
And detailed his own contribution...
Robert Clarke (Sam's friend) added...
Where do the Wacky Weed, Colombian Gold and Acapulco Gold come into the picture, in light of bigherb's contention that Punto Rojo was the sole ingredient in haze until 1976?
Were the Wacky Weed and Punto Rojo one in the the same? Was the Colombian Gold the first out cross followed by Acapulco Gold in 1976?
Is the mythical formula - Punto Rojo / Colombian Gold / Acapulco Gold / Keralan & Thai Stick?
Be great if Sam could polish off the final details, otherwise Arjan might end up having the final word..
View Image
Bushy my brother
You have been killin it lately ,Major props. It feels like old times lookin at your pics
I like when you brain storm once in awhile
Id just like to add two quotes to your collective of quotes to ponder on
[QUOTE]"All of the S Indian and Thai crosses were toward the end of Haze production. Not only males were used for crosses. The 3 year timeline was just someones dream , Haze was grown for over 10years by the haze bros [/B], Sacred seeds tried to stabilize Haze with mixed results.The quality dropped considerably.The problem is that the best Hazes were F1s Hybrids , and Haze stabilization can not be done without a loss of vigor.
Also I never chose males for hybrids, you do not know how good they are or their ability to contribute to a new hybrid. I use haze females , and I do have a few Haze males that I selected from hundreds of males , after testing their progeny first. But it is a lot of work and beyond most closet breeders. The progenys growouts involved thousands of plants. Just to determine the best haze male to use for Hybrids"[/QUOTE]
1luvbigherb
I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS
Sacred Seeds never tried to stablize or improve the Original Haze, our only goal was to save as many of the Original Haze genes as I could so I used as many Original Haze females and males as I could. I think I could create an all Original Haze improved line but I would need to grow thousands and thousands of plants to find a few keeper females, the males would require to be transformed into females to be screened as keepers, and/or by progeney trials that would be best. I would have done it already except that Original Haze is a lousey Dry Sift Hash maker and I hate to use so much space to do the work right. If I don't someone will....
I really do not like Original Haze hybrids that use an WLD Indica to make powerful Hazes, they are strong but often lack the pure Sativa high the I prefer. It is easy though.
If done right with just haze taste and effects, and I can't tell it is a hybrid and it is strong as the Haze was, I would like it I bet. Even the Purple Haze from back in the 70's was not really my choice, they did seem a bit stronger then the greens, limes, and blues, but they also had a more narcotic effect to me. They were the prettiest not the best, to me.
-SamS
Happy holihaze
Thanks for sharing , always great to see you shed light
Great to hear G's origins confirmed once again
Now if you could just speak on the incense/frankincense trait in OHaze
Much respect
1luvbigherb
Yep love to hear something about that the almighty frankincense trait.
Keep on growing
Keep on growing
Sams
I thought i was content an then more questions arose
Much respect
I dont wish to upset you and i dont want you to repeat yourself .But there are once again conflicting/contradicting post from you . These are interesting details that could be considered nit picking as you said about my article .Some minor details could be history changing .
But i learned a long time ago asking questions can only help
In an old CW post below you said the Thai an S.Indian were used toward the end .
Apolgies if this isnt your post ,as i cant find the original only it has been quoted an referred to as yours .Aswell it sounds an looks like your writing
Well how about G wouldn't he know best an this is what he said was grown out threwout His run 69-81
R.L wasnt with G for atleast the first two grows so what would he know about somthing he wasnt there for .Im curious what J might recall of the mountain grows .Im sure its his story to tell an if you wanted to share you would have already .But that be another chapter to the history
I know you can,But do you wish to ?
Your post has really cleared up the genetic confusion to me an lays to rest how those S.indian n Thai genes were added .Thanks again for your preservation an contributions an continuing to share information
1luvbigherb
I thought i was content an then more questions arose
Much respect
I dont wish to upset you and i dont want you to repeat yourself .But there are once again conflicting/contradicting post from you . These are interesting details that could be considered nit picking as you said about my article .Some minor details could be history changing .
But i learned a long time ago asking questions can only help
In an old CW post below you said the Thai an S.Indian were used toward the end .
Apolgies if this isnt your post ,as i cant find the original only it has been quoted an referred to as yours .Aswell it sounds an looks like your writing
Well how about G wouldn't he know best an this is what he said was grown out threwout His run 69-81
R.L wasnt with G for atleast the first two grows so what would he know about somthing he wasnt there for .Im curious what J might recall of the mountain grows .Im sure its his story to tell an if you wanted to share you would have already .But that be another chapter to the history
I know you can,But do you wish to ?
Your post has really cleared up the genetic confusion to me an lays to rest how those S.indian n Thai genes were added .Thanks again for your preservation an contributions an continuing to share information
1luvbigherb
Here's an (OldTimer's) haze-leaning pheno of Ace's Green Haze x Thai F3,
@ 34 days of 11d/13n...
...and her clone...
If she's the keeper I expect, then I'll backcross to her with her male offspring's pollen.
Thanks for all the infos provided here.
cheers haze enthusiasts
curbiechris
Member
what varieties do you grow for your dry sift? Your choice plants.
Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift, so is my Hindu Kush but I do not like the stone so much. Many people love it. Sleestak is easy to dry sift, not my work it is from the DNA boys.
Pot Of Gold, my Hindu Kush X Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift.
Maybe I need to try water sifting the Haze and Haze hybrids, because dry sifting them sucks, the yield is way to low..
Does anyone get as high a yield of water sifted resin from Haze dominate plants as Indica WLD varieties or the Indica WLD X Sativa NLD hybrids?
-SamS
Pot Of Gold, my Hindu Kush X Skunk #1 is easy to dry sift.
Maybe I need to try water sifting the Haze and Haze hybrids, because dry sifting them sucks, the yield is way to low..
Does anyone get as high a yield of water sifted resin from Haze dominate plants as Indica WLD varieties or the Indica WLD X Sativa NLD hybrids?
-SamS
Hey sam have sleestack x skunk#1, it s skunkman range batch?
curbiechris
Member
You said prior that Haze gave a poor amount of resin. I believe that is what you inferred, but how was the quality of of the Haze dry sift? The taste, smell, flavors, and most importantly the high of the Haze dry sift?
I am going to assume if the Haze's flowers were good, the dry sift would be just as good. But, if my assumption is wrong. Please correct me
Sam is the Mexican used in DNA's Mexican x Sleestack also from you?
That is one of my favorites.
That is one of my favorites.
No Sam from seedsman ... By DNA is Sleeskunk (same recipe).
Seedsman also have the Resinator strain, with the same recipe. I think it's a hash selection on hash strain...
remember this project with DNA or Seedsman?
Thank you for your time. LK
