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Shit looks clean. Make your own teas, and lose the jars. I suppose the jars are a step up from the bottles. 
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Team Microbe's Quest into True Living Organics (2014)
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Yes that's what I meant, ha. I've been looking into the subject so hard I just negate all other definitions in my mind. I'm officially in 'Soil & Crop Science / Agricultural Business' (double major), my concentration is lined up to be hybridization & plant biotech, however especially after all this "rhizo-affinity" I've been fascinated with on my own, and then discussing it further with my plant physiology professor...If I can get in some good $ I could see myself as a graduate student in rhizosphere biology. Just thinking about how happy I could make those little critters just brings a tear of joy to my eye!
Yes I've actually got the "TLO Starter Bundle" from the website www.truelivingorganic.com it's pretty neat. It includes various spikes as well as a high-N layering blend. My seedlings were the happiest I've ever seen before, I had a feeling I was too cautious about overfeeding and ended up starving them. I'm used to one organic entity in my container versus a virtually incalculable number... Makes much sense they're starving vs. overfed in what is essentially a hungry micro universe.
That's why my interests lately have really been peaking in maximum efficiency of compost tea; I've got a dual-output pump so I can run a few recipes at a time but have only tried two so far, one was for new roots and seedlings, the other was high power veg growth. both of those recipes are in the spikes chapter of the book--the one i really wished i'd read more carefully providing this second generation of spiked-much-earlier transplants is thriving.
Anyhow...I just have a tendency to overcomplicate things, and spend way too much $ (which isn't the biggest issue for me in all honesty--i'd rather blow my extra change on investments in ag then the crazy coin my friends spend at the bars!) buut I really want to know everything that goes on as much as possible, and not just do something that works just 'cause. I'm after that next-level clean organic smoke not commonly available even in cannabis capital of the USA! Then I want to share with everyone of course!
oops i meant to say in the compost tea chapter of the book* since I can't edit posts yet. although spikes is the one i wished i read more carefully. i think the spikes and tea really go hand in hand considering what that level of nutrient concentration needs to process it before roots "arrive on the scene" as rev puts it
Shit looks clean. Make your own teas, and lose the jars. I suppose the jars are a step up from the bottles.
Thanks!
And ah man, Dragonfly Earth Medicine makes these products with science behind their practices. It's not like how you think it is, check out their site:
https://www.dragonflyearthmedicine.com/
I use these for tea's and soil amending, they have the all the specific cannabis-fungi/bacteria our girls need to thrive. I just recently found out I was wasting money on Great White and White Widow mycorrhizae because they only apply to perennials and other trees/plants ASIDE from cannabis. Yet they don't hesitate to sell that shit to us... so much bullshit!
DEM changed my whole game, theyre veganic and if youre on IG you should follow them because theyre the most informative pages out there. Cheers
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Nice, clean setup man. Good thinking on that drain to waste table too.
Lookin forward to seeing what you do with these gals.
Lookin forward to seeing what you do with these gals.
Yes that's what I meant, ha. I've been looking into the subject so hard I just negate all other definitions in my mind. I'm officially in 'Soil & Crop Science / Agricultural Business' (double major), my concentration is lined up to be hybridization & plant biotech, however especially after all this "rhizo-affinity" I've been fascinated with on my own, and then discussing it further with my plant physiology professor...If I can get in some good $ I could see myself as a graduate student in rhizosphere biology. Just thinking about how happy I could make those little critters just brings a tear of joy to my eye!
Yes I've actually got the "TLO Starter Bundle" from the website www.truelivingorganic.com it's pretty neat. It includes various spikes as well as a high-N layering blend. My seedlings were the happiest I've ever seen before, I had a feeling I was too cautious about overfeeding and ended up starving them. I'm used to one organic entity in my container versus a virtually incalculable number... Makes much sense they're starving vs. overfed in what is essentially a hungry micro universe.
That's why my interests lately have really been peaking in maximum efficiency of compost tea; I've got a dual-output pump so I can run a few recipes at a time but have only tried two so far, one was for new roots and seedlings, the other was high power veg growth. both of those recipes are in the spikes chapter of the book--the one i really wished i'd read more carefully providing this second generation of spiked-much-earlier transplants is thriving.
Anyhow...I just have a tendency to overcomplicate things, and spend way too much $ (which isn't the biggest issue for me in all honesty--i'd rather blow my extra change on investments in ag then the crazy coin my friends spend at the bars!) buut I really want to know everything that goes on as much as possible, and not just do something that works just 'cause. I'm after that next-level clean organic smoke not commonly available even in cannabis capital of the USA! Then I want to share with everyone of course!
Dude SO much respect. We have similar goals in that sense of going after the cleanest and best meds we can produce. It's a big learning process isn't it?! It's so funny how confident I was when purchasing my first batch of super soil (bagged, never again bc of the price) and adding just water. LOL
I wish you luck with your classes too, that sounds like the right alley to be headed down. I do the SAME thing, my buddies are like "cmon man just come out tonight!" And I'm like "ehhhhh I could really use those castings this week for my tea... I'll catch up with you later guys." Good shit lol
I'll be sure to look more into the spikes in that book, and especially the compost tea chapter. Cheers man
I use MycoGrow from www.fungiperfecti.com in teas, it's about $6 an ounce. i'm not claiming to it's effectiveness as i have too few trials done, and so many different micro-sources. however it contains so many species, just like great white. you really think that stuff doesn't benefit annual plants though? i'm just asking because i've never heard that. plus u definitely don't need much because even if u get the great white 1oz jar on amazon for $12 it'd last ages when used in small amounts in tea to colonize if fed properly.
interesting tea with the dragonfly earth. just glancing at the "lush roots 840 full spectrum" its species list seems to be very similar to great white, only including Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, and 2 species of trichodemra, and lacking many of the others included in great white. the two trichodermal varieties are covered in the MycoGrow though now that i look at the package. aaand i just double glanced back at my happy-frog and that's got the Bacillus amyloliquefaciens in it! ha.
I'm brewing some tea right now think i will try some azos on the next round considering its the only species not found in any other of these solubles. well besides the happy frog which is an all-purpose with added innoculants
I was just wondering today though about azos from xtreme gardening as a tea additive in tiny amounts. diazatrophs are really specialized critters. adding a colony of nitrogen fixing bacteria would be beneficial to any hunrgy soil environment i'd think, it's such a rare process in nature the fact there's even a product that allegedly harnesses it i find fascinating.
interesting tea with the dragonfly earth. just glancing at the "lush roots 840 full spectrum" its species list seems to be very similar to great white, only including Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, and 2 species of trichodemra, and lacking many of the others included in great white. the two trichodermal varieties are covered in the MycoGrow though now that i look at the package. aaand i just double glanced back at my happy-frog and that's got the Bacillus amyloliquefaciens in it! ha.
I'm brewing some tea right now think i will try some azos on the next round considering its the only species not found in any other of these solubles. well besides the happy frog which is an all-purpose with added innoculants
I was just wondering today though about azos from xtreme gardening as a tea additive in tiny amounts. diazatrophs are really specialized critters. adding a colony of nitrogen fixing bacteria would be beneficial to any hunrgy soil environment i'd think, it's such a rare process in nature the fact there's even a product that allegedly harnesses it i find fascinating.
My bad Idk why I said perennials I was tired when I wrote this back and was thinking of something else... what I meant to say was Great White focuses on the wrong type of species.... Ecto's. Cannabis only reacts to Endo's. Ecto-mycorhizae is for coniferous tree leafed root systems, while Endo deals directly with broad leaf structures ie. cannabis. Just look at the numbers on the back of both Lush Roots and Great White and then explain why great white doesnt even use their 92% filler (usually clay) and give their microbes some food to chomp on. DEM uses their filler (only 48%) solely as a carrier and the rest is just bennies and microbe food.
Also (my friend told me this part...)
"Ectomycos surround the roots and they colonize and transfer food through proximity change. Endo fungal hyphae makes it's way into the plant cells and exchanges the nutrients directly."
Hope this helps!
compared to....
I'll quote DEM on this one when it comes to why these trichoderma species are so vital to indoor gardens -
"Trichoderma Harzianum and Trichoderma Konigii is used in foliar applications, seed treatment and soil treatment for suppression of various disease causing fungal pathogens. It has been used in the treatment of Botrytis, Fusarium, and Penicillium. They parasitize other harmful fungi by literally sucking the nutrients from the pathogenic fungi hyphae. These are the trichodermas we add to our Lush Roots. We have chosen them because they are known to feast on harmful fungi when it is present, and it is present in all soils because most pathogenic fungi is airborne. Trichoderma are anaerobic fungi that only thrive in soil. T. Harzianum also helps a plant's ability to uptake nutrients by creating a "enzymatic smoothie" in the soil where it sucks the life out of it's prey. Sound dramatic? It is because it can literally save any garden from pathogenic fungi that are quick to colonize and kill your plants. *note that this is what I used to battle and conquer PM* T. Konigii can also reduce the volume of harmful nematodes by attaching onto the larvae of the predator nematode, not allowing continued growth. Trichoderma is the most common fungi in the soil, so it is not necessary to add in a natural environment. BUT, gardens are not a natural environment, so DEM feels (as well as research shows) that by adding 2 of the most important trichoderma fungi, will help keep your soil and gardens beneficial and healthy. In a foliar application, it eats up to 70% of the living powdery mildew, consistent foliar feeding with with trichoderma can eventually rid PM from your gardens. Having the right trichoderma in your garden and garden brews can really help insure your harvest success."
I just had to type that out hahaha
But that's how vital this information is guys. Especially if you have problems with pests or mildew; it saved my garden. I do not know what I'd do without medicine either...
^I promote this shit so hard because it not only makes my girls thrive with soil drenches/foliar sprays but it saved me from PM and continues to prevent anything from happening in the future as well. The bennies literally coat the leaf surfaces and suck out any/all moisture from the fungal spores that attach and attempt to penetrate the leaf's surface to drink from it. I spray this on seedlings the first time they shed their seed shells and they love it. This is the year of Dragonfly Earth Medicine folks, they're based solely on science and a blend of traditional foreign agriculture practices (Korean bokashi and others) all mixed up into one practice. It's like when you find out the answer to the hardest question on that social studies test and you wanna just tell your best friend sitting next to you... it's hard not to when you know it will boost the score of their test; or in this case the vitality of your garden.
Great work on the whole grow room setup. The drain table is a great idea.
Yes, I remember from class endo goes into cell walls and ecto surrounds. I thought the primary benefit of each one was based on the plant variety being herbaceous vs. woody, vascular herbaceous plants such as cannabis definitely use endo the most (i've never seen anything definitive that says they DONT benefit from ecto). i've never run out of innoculant before though so price is not as much of an issue either way, especially if you can exponentially draw out it's volume by letting it colonize tea and feed on compost vs just soluble waterings. I've also experimented with granular mykos for transplants, and I can't say that its ever hurt anything...(I need to start running some more varied experimental trials).
I found that one interesting, taking with a grain of salt of course: the guy at the hydro store explained that the Oregonism XL (roots organics' multi-species myco inoculant) was good for a variety of plants, while mykos single species was a single target for 'what you want' and recommended it as a substitute for the oregonism in the roots organics' master line (my transition period from synthetic coco feed to full organic soil). I found that suspicious just seeing as how many different and uniquely specialized microbes r out there.
I just fed my girls second compost tea yesterday and flipped on the metal halide in addition to my LED, dont know which or both helped, but considering a new light prob more shock than help on the first day, think the tea did something good cause they look obviously better and greener. I used a high-veg recipe and did try the inoculation with Azospirilium brasilense. Fascinating critter. I'll have to do some with and without to see if there's any real difference.
also that shorter list microbes is actually attractive considering just what you've got to feed in there--no need to waste resources on hungry microbes that don't help you back! gotta point out too man, you're definitely the master vs me here, i am still on my 1st and 2nd generation experimental rounds with living soil and haven't had anything looking as clean as those before (in any style I tried). i'll have to throw up some reference pics soon.
I found that one interesting, taking with a grain of salt of course: the guy at the hydro store explained that the Oregonism XL (roots organics' multi-species myco inoculant) was good for a variety of plants, while mykos single species was a single target for 'what you want' and recommended it as a substitute for the oregonism in the roots organics' master line (my transition period from synthetic coco feed to full organic soil). I found that suspicious just seeing as how many different and uniquely specialized microbes r out there.
I just fed my girls second compost tea yesterday and flipped on the metal halide in addition to my LED, dont know which or both helped, but considering a new light prob more shock than help on the first day, think the tea did something good cause they look obviously better and greener. I used a high-veg recipe and did try the inoculation with Azospirilium brasilense. Fascinating critter. I'll have to do some with and without to see if there's any real difference.
also that shorter list microbes is actually attractive considering just what you've got to feed in there--no need to waste resources on hungry microbes that don't help you back! gotta point out too man, you're definitely the master vs me here, i am still on my 1st and 2nd generation experimental rounds with living soil and haven't had anything looking as clean as those before (in any style I tried). i'll have to throw up some reference pics soon.
Great looking grow man! Very clean and organized. Seems like it can't fail
That mainlining looks good. It's like a combo of topping, lollipopping and lst'ing.
I will try a simiral training technique for my greenhouse plants this year to keep them small and productive. Had to cut off four main tops last year during early flower because they touched the greenhouse and gotten white bugs on them, with as result delayed flower, lower yield and some banana's, argh!
2 years ago I was somewhat succesful already by just pulling the main stem down, pulling side branches down after this point makes them come off too easily - but I should note I was constantly a few steps behind on the plant's insane vigor. Eventually I had to dig its 70l pot back out as it grew higher than the wall, turned out it rooted into the soil which probably made it grow that big.
That mainlining looks good. It's like a combo of topping, lollipopping and lst'ing.
I will try a simiral training technique for my greenhouse plants this year to keep them small and productive. Had to cut off four main tops last year during early flower because they touched the greenhouse and gotten white bugs on them, with as result delayed flower, lower yield and some banana's, argh!
2 years ago I was somewhat succesful already by just pulling the main stem down, pulling side branches down after this point makes them come off too easily - but I should note I was constantly a few steps behind on the plant's insane vigor. Eventually I had to dig its 70l pot back out as it grew higher than the wall, turned out it rooted into the soil which probably made it grow that big.
Yeah you're right about that... the ecto's definitely aren't doing anything bad by any means!
But I am NO master my friend, I am no better than you are and I mean that. I'm right there with ya; 3rd or 4th round in soil from leaving hydro and I'm still learning as are you. I don't believe in "good gardeners" or "bad gardeners"... I do believe in different stages in learning however. This is why cocky growers piss me off haha... they were just as naive at one point as the guys they're putting down. So silly.
Anyways, I get a lot of my info from other growers I talk to online. The Probiotic Farmers' Alliance is all about helping other growers learn and spreading positivity. Good stuff for those that put that ego aside and are interested in learning from others. If youre on facebook find Alan Adkissin and ask him to add you to the crew, they're all hella nice!
Great point on making those mycos stretch by making teas, that's what I try to do for any expensive inoculants/amendments I get. I'd be weary of what you hear from the hydro guy though, as they're paid on commission usually. Some are genius, while others will say whatever it takes to make you buy those extra things you don't need so follow your gut in those situations... you were probably right.
Great looking grow man! Very clean and organized. Seems like it can't fail
That mainlining looks good. It's like a combo of topping, lollipopping and lst'ing.
I will try a simiral training technique for my greenhouse plants this year to keep them small and productive. Had to cut off four main tops last year during early flower because they touched the greenhouse and gotten white bugs on them, with as result delayed flower, lower yield and some banana's, argh!
2 years ago I was somewhat succesful already by just pulling the main stem down, pulling side branches down after this point makes them come off too easily - but I should note I was constantly a few steps behind on the plant's insane vigor. Eventually I had to dig its 70l pot back out as it grew higher than the wall, turned out it rooted into the soil which probably made it grow that big.
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Damn she's a beaut!
I've actually heard of that method before with pulling the main stalk down at a horizontal angle... seems like a good idea for stealth and production rates IMO
A grower I know does that - he pulled down the plant and staked it horizontally after it reached 4 feet tall. He chopped the branches facing the ground and buried that entire stalk that was once standing up straight. That stalk rooted out, and produced a bunch of what looked like small plants but in reality they were just branches! Root mass below ground = plant mass above ground so it makes sense why those plants got so friggin big. I'm gonna try it this year with a couple to do as a side-by-side. Great idea man.
Well everyone else has said it, but god damn thats a clean setup! Really diggin the show!
That mainlining technique you showed a bit ago really sparked my interest. Such an even canopy! I'll be followin along for sure to see how it works out for ya.
thanks for the vibes man!
this is a cool thread man, ya plants are beautiful, ya environment is sweet and that mainlining technique is gonna be next on my agenda, cheers man!
