Birth of Cultivation Legend - 600w tent pics

[crackrocker]

The pump that looks like crap says its 295 gph. The Eco air 2 says 4.5 liters a min. If u do the conversions it comes out to a little over 6 gallons a minute. If you believe the box, which I'm guessing you don't but maybe that gives an idea

 

[Snype]

The pump that looks like crap says its 295 gph. The Eco air 2 says 4.5 liters a min. If u do the conversions it comes out to a little over 6 gallons a minute. If you believe the box, which I'm guessing you don't but maybe that gives an idea

No you are confused. The pump that looks like crap is the EcoAir2. I have no idea of what kind of pump that other pump is or how it works but if you get the same rates as a regular air pump and it works the same way and you don't lose some sort rate of loss from connecting an air stone to them, then your combined rate is 23.13 Liters per minute. My rate states that you need 25 Liters per minute and you have 23 Liters per minute with both of your pumps combined. Now that wouldn't be a problem but the type of pumps that you are using are more on the cheaper side and I don't think it will be at the exact rates in your situation so the actual rates of those pumps in your situation may be much lower. That's all that I'm saying. I use and 85 L/Min Air Pump that cost around $300 and made with high grade components. Those cheaper pumps are made in China with lower grade components and they are like toys to me. The grow shops are full of scams to line their pockets while selling you weak products. Also remember that the air stone that you use matters also. They are not all the same. Here is one of the pumps that I use for my 40 Gallon system:

 

[justanotherbozo]

...yeah man, i hope you won't take offense when i say that that stuff Snype is talking about, his whole setup, is way beyond what you're doing, ...his op is at a whole nother level for real.

...anyway, here is a pic of a few of the pumps i accumulated while i climbed the DWC learning curve, for what you're doing you'll want one like the one to the left, ...i forget now what the capacity's were for those pumps but the rule of thumb is to get the biggest, best airpump you can afford, you can never have too much air in a DWC. ...the submersible pump is made more for moving water and not for aerating water which is what you need, which is why you need a good quality AIR pump, and like i said, the bigger the better, you'll want the ability to expand i expect.

...and here's a shot of a couple of my 7 gallon DWC bins, back then i was running 4 of them with the intent of pulling one every 2 weeks.

...here's a closer look at the top with some newly potted clones where you can see i was running 8 plantlets per bin and i want you to know that that was too many, being so closely packed meant poor light penetration and poor air circulation which can lead to problems like powdery mildew.

...and here's a look under the hood of my bubble cloner, as you can see it was quite effective.

...if you spend some hours reading through some of the older, longer threads on DWC i think you'll see that you too have too many plants in one bin, ...in addition to the issues i mentioned above the weight of all those plants will cause a collapse, the lids of your typical Rubbermaid or other basic tote just aren't heavy enough to support that kind of weight.

...and if you ever get sick of the hassles associated with DWC, take a look at what folks are doing with passive hydro aka hempy-buckets.

...in fact, here is a shot of 2 White Rhino's that were grown in 2liter coke-bottle coco hempy 'buckets' under a 400CMH that yielded just under 4 zipz for the pair, ...this shit is almost too easy, lol.

good luck, bozo

 

[justanotherbozo]

...here's a bud shot of another plant grown in a 2liter coco hempy just 'cause i like lookin' at it, lol.

...more importantly, here is a 4 x 4 space with 8x 6liter hempy's at about 5 weeks i think, ...and that's a 600HPS in the center.

and here's a shot of the 6liter 'pots' aka cheap, dollar store trash cans, lol, they work like a charm.

peace, bozo

 

[crackrocker]

Yeah those are awesome

And no offense at all this is my dirt grow I plan on making mistakes and having to rebuild stuff. I appreciate the input from everyone.

Ill post more pics of the seedlings later.

 

[crackrocker]

First grow not dirt grow

 

[crackrocker]

And thanks for clearing up which one belongs in the trash. Lol!

 

[justanotherbozo]

And thanks for clearing up which one belongs in the trash. Lol!

...yeah man, i'm not saying that that other pump is trash, just that it won't do THIS job, it may still be useful in some other capacity.

i am definitely not the right guy though to say for sure because, as i've said, i abandoned active hydro methods like DWC some years ago, ...i'm kind of a lazy phuck by nature so over time i've found methods that have worked well with my more lack-a-daisical approach that are also less prone to catastrophic failure, ...if you don't use pumps they just can't fail on you, lol.

...the year i spent learning DWC gave me a fair bit of useful experience and i already have it so i don't regret it BUT, lol, i also remember people suggesting i look into hempy's back then and in retrospect i wish i'd listened.

...so this is me, suggesting to you, if you are just learning your chops and you want to learn a method that is simple to run, easy to maintain and very economical that will yield with similar hydro results, meaning a repeatable 10 to 15 ounces per cycle inside a 4 x 4 space around a single 600, then do some research, read those threads i posted in my first post, and not MY threads, the other three, i'm telling you, there is a wealth of information in each of those three threads that changed EVERYTHING for me, ...my grow is so stress free now it really does almost feel like cheating!

peace, bozo

 

[Snype]

I respect what bozo is saying and agree with a lot of it. DWC can be very difficult or hit or miss when you don't know much. But when a person like myself knows what I know, I can make it so you have perfect success in RDWC. Like bozo said, your pots are way too close together. You should really try and build a system like in my RDWC Tutorial. Here is a good one that would work with a 600 Watt light that you have and it's only 4 plants. If you buy the correct pump, You would easily get at least 1 pound if not 1.5 pounds when you dial in your strains. The VEG time would be very minimal but I agree that you have to always make sure your pH is right all the time and top off your buckets and stuff like this. Chlorine can be very important in these systems to have real good success rates. I've lost many crops real fast in RDWC until I tested chlorine and better air pumps and now I haven't lost a crop since. In the picture below, I would use this system but I would swap out the back manifold for the 6 and 12 bucket systems and run your 600 with 4 buckets. If you grew that plants that you have now to about 10" first, then that would be a good time to place them into RDWC System and they will explode with the fastest growth you've ever seen. It's pretty magical if all of your variables are in order and you use enough air. That General Hydropoinc Dual Manifold Pump with 4 outlets in Bozo's picture is a good bottom of the line pump to have for a 4 bucket system and even the system that you have now would do well with it and 4 good airstones. Not those blue airstones for fish tanks. Those suck. My 4 plant system cost about $250 to build and includes all of your pumps:

 

[crackrocker]

Wow oka I knew I was goin I have to consider a redesign. So ill do some reading for now

 

[crackrocker]

NEW SEEDLING PICS

NEW SEEDLING PICS

So the seedlings have come a long way in a week theres lots of visible root growth now

heres some pics


my new favorite, the blueberry gum. It has the strongest root growth, no stretching, and has a couple of sets of leaves in opposed to the veneno that just has one i think.



Veneno. Strong root growth on both of these, roots starting to come out sides in a place or two. I was going to water these two again today but decided to wait until tomorrow and let em dry out a lil more to stimulate root growth.

 

[crackrocker]

Fruity Chronic Juice, looking forward to this one the most.



OG KUSH


The kannabia

I was going to water the blueberry gum and veneno but it looked like they still had some water left in the cube so I decided to leave them until the morning to water to stimulate root growth. Hope they done get too dry.

Question bout storing ph adjusted water.

If you store some ph adjusted water overnight or for a couple of days, does the PH climb?

seems like when i remeasure my water the ph is always way higher the second time. Even if I didnt put any cubes in em.

Snype ive been reading over ur tutorial and systems, looks intimidating, but 1-1.5 lbs is worth a lil trial and error. My first instinct is to dive into that 4 bucket set up you mentioned, but im pretty sure it would be way too big for my tent. My tent is 3 ft 4 inches by 3 ft 4 inches. Not sayn ill stick with that tent forever but I will for awhile. If you think it would fit tho Id love to try to go that route.

Bozo i just started lookin over some of the hempy bucket stuff havent really gotten into it yet but i definitely will be. Only thing i noticed was tons of pearlite?? That screams EXPENSIVE to me. I grew shrooms for awhile in little rock for cash and had to use the stuff.

But im definitely going to read all of it just havent yet

 

[crackrocker]

And about the submersible pump, it pulls in air from an air line that comes above the water, are yall saying that doesnt oxygenate the water at all??

 

[justanotherbozo]

Bozo i just started lookin over some of the hempy bucket stuff havent really gotten into it yet but i definitely will be. Only thing i noticed was tons of pearlite?? That screams EXPENSIVE to me. I grew shrooms for awhile in little rock for cash and had to use the stuff.

But im definitely going to read all of it just havent yet

...yeah, the original 'hempy' technique from back in the day used a perlite/vermiculite mix as the grow medium and it is still used by many but i and many others prefer straight coco.

...let me say that i am not 'pushing' hempy or saying it is 'better' than DWC. ...what i am saying is that with DWC, or any active hydroponic method there is a learning curve and as a new grower you already have a learning curve in front of you in just learning to grow the plant.

...so i recommend hempys because they are simple and very effective, even in the hands of the inexperienced, and when you are first learning your chops simple is good, believe me, you'll have plenty of time in your future to complicate things, lol, ...this hobby is WAY more addictive than smoking!

And about the submersible pump, it pulls in air from an air line that comes above the water, are yall saying that doesnt oxygenate the water at all??

...and yes, that pump WILL add SOME air but it's not made for it i don't think, ...like i said though, i'm no expert having put all my pumps away some years ago after switching to coco hempy's.

...here is a pic of a hempy i made from a Folgers coffee can, note the single drainage hole, that's what makes it a hempy and what it does is it creates a mini reservoir at the bottom of the pot below the hole.

...now with hempys you want that bottom reservoir to be filled with something different than the main medium which, in my case is coco, ...what i use in the bottom is either hydroton or grorocks or 3/4 inch gravel, i like the grorocks but gravel works just fine. (it has to have different properties of absorption or the pots get soggy and the plants don't likey da soggy feets)

...anyway, up above i already posted a pic of three 6liter 'pots' filled with coco so here is a pic of those same 'pots' before i filled them with the coco, that's hydroton in the bottom.

...whatever way you choose to go i wish you luck on your road to becoming a cultivator.

peace, bozo

 

[Snype]

And about the submersible pump, it pulls in air from an air line that comes above the water, are yall saying that doesnt oxygenate the water at all??

I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that you don't know exactly what the rates are because of the type of pump that it is. I don't think it will be rated the same way. As I stated before, RDWC has very extreme growth rates like nothing that I've ever seen before. That is a great thing but with great things come downsides. There is no buffer whatsoever for problems. You can make the most mistakes in Soil and it's hard for you to fuck it up. Rockwool has a lower buffer than Soil and it is easier to fuck things up and not be able to fix them but there still is a bigger buffer than RDWC. In RDWC there is no room for error. When things go bad they can go very bad within hours. I've seen perfectly healthy beautiful plants be dead the very next day. It's that crazy and why a lot of people who ventured into RDWC left and moved elsewhere. What some of those people don't understand is that you need a lot of air and chlorine to run these systems with success for many crops in a row. I also think that plants that are going to be placed into RDWC should first be grown in a different style other than DWC first. I have noticed that when you get nice big healthy roots in Ebb & Flow first, the plants seem to have a better buffer for potential future problems. This is why I have a VEG A stage and a VEG B stage first. Anyway good luck with the grow. It is very easy as long as you are able to supply the calculations accordingly.

 

[crackrocker]

So that tent is to small for a rdwc setup like ur talkin about right?

And I was still wondering about water sitting after you adjust the ph does the ph climb if it sits a night or two?

With hempy buckets from what I'm reading it would seem like water would get stagnant sitting but I guess the plants drink it all up. It's a really appealing set up since its low maintenance. I just keep hearing about how important oxygenating the water is and that seems like it would have like no oxygen

Snype do you think there would be a way possibly with smaller buckets to do a rdwc set up like you've shown?

 

[Snype]

Go with the RDWC, you are going to love it. I know you are a newbie but I can tell that you have the right mind for this style. You seem to care about details and that's a really good trait. Tell me more about your grow. I see that you are using a 600 for flowering. Tell me how many female plants you are planning on flowering and what are the exact measurements of your tent and also include height. Also tell me how much head room your reflector takes in Inches. What I mean is how tall is your reflector? Once you tell me that information. I will put a design together for you.

 

[crackrocker]

Hell ya. Ill get all the measurements after I get off work tomorrow.

 

[BreezeEazy]

I'd also try to consider other aspects like the water intake and drain spouts. My RDWC has the PVC plumbing at the bottom like in snype's pictures; however, I quickly learned while it works, I favor both to be at the top of the bucket with a feed line running down to the bottom of the bucket and a hole drilled in the intake elbow so the water can't siphon back. My roots always wondered into the feed / drain tubes when they were at the bottom and restricted the flow. These are things though that you'll learn as you go. What I like may not be liked by another. RDWC kicks butt, just gotta travel the learning curve.

 

[justanotherbozo]

So that tent is to small for a rdwc setup like ur talkin about right?

And I was still wondering about water sitting after you adjust the ph does the ph climb if it sits a night or two?

With hempy buckets from what I'm reading it would seem like water would get stagnant sitting but I guess the plants drink it all up. It's a really appealing set up since its low maintenance. I just keep hearing about how important oxygenating the water is and that seems like it would have like no oxygen

Snype do you think there would be a way possibly with smaller buckets to do a rdwc set up like you've shown?

...i know how exciting it can be to contemplate running a killer hydro system but i unfortunately also know how deeply depressing it is to lose my crop to root rot caused by my reservoir being too warm, ...and because my pump failed, and again with a power outage, ...and the freakin' clean up! what a pain in the ass for real! ...and the constant measuring and testing and just all that laboratory like stuff is just, well, my point is that maybe you might be better of learning to walk before you try the high tech route.

...here's a link to a thread that is a list of links to some of the best DIY threads on this site, going back several years, it is well organized and seperated into categories starting with small cabinet construction then electrical stuff and if you continue scrolling you will find the section with links to how to construct all manner of hydro setups including some excellent RDWC construction howtos.

ICMAG'S OFFICIAL ~DIY~ LINK-O-RAMA

...oh and about the oxygen in a hempy bucket, in flower i hand water 8 plants in 6liter pots daily until i get runoff from the single drainage hole and when the water flows into the medium it pulls a lot of new oxy with it and because you water daily until you see runoff you are effectively flushing out the old solution and replacing it with fresh, balanced solution.

...hempy isn't a new technology as similar passive hydroponic techniques go back to the time of the Romans, the shit works in a very low tech way and delivers very high tech-like results in an almost 'can't fail' simplicity, i'm a fan of simplicity and i'm fundamentally lazy so cleanup isn't a priority for me.

...anyway, i'll bow out, i can see you want the 'hydro' route and i truly wish you luck, i hope you experience nothing but smooth sailing bro.

peace, bozo