U.S. Government spying on entire U.S., to nobody's surprise

[Jericho Mile]

so in essence you are saying; it's all going to hell in a hand basket, so you might as well close your eyes and don't worry about it, just go to sleep again and pretend everything is just honky dory?

except when you have to collect the shit from the yard? is that it essentially? like; oh well, bad stuff seems to be happening more and more, but i'm just gonna ignore it and hope it stops before it gets to me or mine?

if thats your thinking, then i highly advise reading up on recent history and pay attention to what happens to people who follow their gov blindly in the end. paul pot. stallin. Germany etc.

you know the story of the guy who first sees them coming for the gypsies, then the disabled, then the jews, then the christians, then the trade-unionists and all the time he did nothing until when they came to get him there was no one left to do or say anything.

Wrong. I'm saying...it's not going to hell...in a hand basket. It's the same..as it always has been...except now..you have quicker information/disinformation...because of technology advancements..in social media (like right here).

I turn a blind eye to nothing. I'm seeing the same shit you are. I follow nothing...no party..no leader...no guru. I don't pretend anything...but maybe you dudes..do. You may be pretending..that all your posts mean something...that you are wide awake and feeding up to speed..us unfortunates..who do not understand...global politics or how deceitful the american government is. I question motives...and how credible information is. Because the world is not perfect...doesn't mean I have to jump in to the thick of things..on a whim..because some joker posts some shit off YouTube.

Bad stuff has been happening for 1000s of years...crusades...the genocides of the native people in the Americas...enslavements of peoples...atomic bombs...chemical warfare...bio warfare...conquering armies running rampant in all centuries.

Which era do you want to talk about? Do you believe the indians think its worse now...than say...wounded knee? Do you think the blacks think it worse now..than 200 yrs ago? Goddamned holy wars been going on since...shit...a long long time. Same shit...different era. Depends on whose perspective you are looking at it..from.

I'm well versed on history. Try me

* the american fixation on the nazis never ceases to amaze me.

** the chinese had a lot to do with building this nation...and how were they treated? Like subhuman slaves. People whine about china now...kind of funny. Perspective. Every mission in california built by native americans..forced labor...how were they treated? Exterminated. Perspective. lets go ride the rails..to the missions in california...find us some mexicans to pick our food. Perspective. Tyranny...nothing new in america. No better..no worse...depends on perspective

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

Yeah it's pretty frickin' hilarious/depressing that the conversation only revolves around whether or not Snowden is a hero or criminal. Fuck Snowden! Gives us some damn answers about what he's told us!

They got to talk about it without really talking about it.


Any real news would deem him a hero and being going ballistic checking anything he says to tell the American people if its correct or not and handing the government there asshole...


we live in the fake world where everything we are told is a lie. I dont trust schools churchs tv or the internet. Only way to find the truth is to research the people that you listen to and then research they shit they tell you for your own.

 

[vta]

The Mark Levin radio show:

Government Surveillance


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[idiit]

Busted! Mythbusters Not Allowed to Talk About RFID Chips

In what has become a controversial story as time goes on, due to the increasing research into RFID technology, it still remains a little unclear as to exactly why Mythbusters was not able to do a show discussing RFID technology.

http://intellihub.com/2013/07/14/busted-mythbusters-not-allowed-to-talk-about-rfid-chips/

ObamaCare Mandates RFID Chips to be Implanted in all Americans by March 23rd 2013?

http://www.dailypaul.com/223261/oba...implanted-in-all-americans-by-march-23rd-2013

CHANNEL 4 POLL: Parents and students oppose new school tracking device.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hEECSfafYWo

 

[gaiusmarius]

ok Jericho, so what is your point in the end? you saying we shouldn't be discussing stuff, thats fucked up now, because there has always been stuff thats fucked up? if it doesn't interest you just don't read it.

if we were back in the days when the trail of tears was happening i'd hope to be one of those complaining about it and trying to convince people it's wrong. you have to try and learn from history otherwise you are doomed to repeat histories mistakes.

btw i only put the nazies third in line as Stalin killed a lot more, same with paul pot and mau. it doesn't matter which example you take from history, there are enough examples of gov turning tyrannical and mass exterminating it's own population in the name of the greater good.

anyway if you find the discussion stupid/pointless and or annoying, feel free to leave me hanging, don't want to force you to take part in the discussion if you're not having fun doing so.

i do think the thread needs to get back to Snowden's leaks, as interesting as all these rabbit holes are we have been going down lately.

peace out.

 

[Jericho Mile]

ok Jericho, so what is your point in the end? you saying we shouldn't be discussing stuff, thats fucked up now, because there has always been stuff thats fucked up? if it doesn't interest you just don't read it.

if we were back in the days when the trail of tears was happening i'd hope to be one of those complaining about it and trying to convince people it's wrong. you have to try and learn from history otherwise you are doomed to repeat histories mistakes.

btw i only put the nazies third in line as Stalin killed a lot more, same with paul pot and mau. it doesn't matter which example you take from history, there are enough examples of gov turning tyrannical and mass exterminating it's own population in the name of the greater good.

anyway if you find the discussion stupid/pointless and or annoying, feel free to leave me hanging, don't want to force you to take part in the discussion if you're not having fun doing so.

i do think the thread needs to get back to Snowden's leaks, as interesting as all these rabbit holes are we have been going down lately.

peace out.

My point? Entertainment. I said that before. It's not stupid..not pointless...just entertaining.

I enjoy the meeting of the minds...but my other motive..would be..to shut down...any quick triggers..ready to create a military situation...or the sense that..the world around us...is so horrid that they would be ready to enter it into even more violence and turmoil...for the sake of replacing one fuck show...with another.

You can't smell some of this sort of thing? The blind cries for overthrow? All I say is: watch what you hope for.

I thought I was clearly spoken.

My opinion of Snowden and what he's doing?...how could I give you one. It's all hearsay. That would be another point...as well.

 

[gaiusmarius]

we spoke about revolutions earlier in this thread and most agree that most revolutions are just a changing of the guard. so things would have to be hopeless for that to even be a consideration. you always end up destroying so much of the good along with the bad during revolutions that you can make the situation much worse then it was.

you can see in Syria right now what a high price a revolution costs a nations civilians. infra structure is destroyed, public safety is lost, people start to hate and atrocities are committed as a result of the hatred, police forces become ruthless and corrupt, both sides pray on the civilians that try and stay neutral. people are gathered in massive refugee camps due to being on the wrong side, or living in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc etc. as long as we still have more to lose then to win, armed rebellion would be wrong, not morally justifiable either as you'd just make things worse for more people. first you have to fight inside the system. if they cheat at elections make sure you are ready for them next time no matter how big or small the election, set up groups that watch the ballot boxes and insure there is no foul play. basically it comes down to getting a good third of the population to really become aware of some of this stuff and everyone to fight the battles they can at their level. if you can change the tide of public opinion you can win without firing a single bullet.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

The powers that be want a revolution. When they get it they can declare martial law suspend the Constitution and then add a new power structure without that pesky constitution and bill of rights that we are protected by.

 

[DrFever]

The powers that be want a revolution. When they get it they can declare martial law suspend the Constitution and then add a new power structure without that pesky constitution and bill of rights that we are protected by.

That is whats happening infront of many blind eyes it started back in the Kennedy / Johnson why do you think they pulled the plug on KENNEDY ??????

Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest

Kennedy also took steps to get rid of the Federal Reserve, by printing 50 billion dollars in silver certificates, which were interest free. He planed to use this money to pay off the national debt and to free the American people from the control of the Illuminati Banksters. If the U.S Government would print its own money interest free like the Constitution says they should be doing, the national debt would be zero, and all taxes could be eliminated. The average American would have twice as much money to live on. If our government would print their own money interest free, like President Andrew Jackson, President Abraham Lincoln, and President John F. Kennedy, have done in the past, the national debt would no longer be an issue, and taxes would be gone, and the average American could have very little, if any, debt. History shows President Kennedy was assassinated within a few months of issuing silver backed interest free United States Notes.

 

[opiumo]

Putin: Snowden a dubious present

Putin: Snowden a dubious present

http://news.investors.com/newsfeed-ap/071513-461552-putin-snowden-a-dubious-present.aspx

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday characterized National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden's long stay at a Moscow airport as an unwelcome present foisted on Russia by the United States.

In comments reported by Russian news agencies during a meeting with students, Putin noted that Snowden flew to Moscow on June 23 "without invitation," intending only to transit to another country.

But Putin says the United States intimidated other countries against accepting Snowden, effectively blocking him from flying further.

"Such a present to us. Merry Christmas," he was quoted as telling the students on the Gulf of Finland island of Gogland.

Edit: lol, gotta love Putins comments sometimes. Fella seem not to have any troubles seeing the humor in this shitstew.

 

[DrFever]

Ten days before his assassination, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy allegedly said:

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."

In this matter, John Fitzgerald Kennedy appears to be the subject of his own book... a true Profile of Courage.

This research report was compiled for Lawgiver. Org. by Anthony Wayne

What is the Federal Reserve Bank?

What is the Federal Reserve Bank (FED) and why do we have it?

by Greg Hobbs November 1, 1999

The FED is a central bank. Central banks are supposed to implement a country's fiscal policies. They monitor commercial banks to ensure that they maintain sufficient assets, like cash, so as to remain solvent and stable. Central banks also do business, such as currency exchanges and gold transactions, with other central banks. In theory, a central bank should be good for a country, and they might be if it wasn't for the fact that they are not owned or controlled by the government of the country they are serving. Private central banks, including our FED, operate not in the interest of the public good but for profit.

There have been three central banks in our nation's history. The first two, while deceptive and fraudulent, pale in comparison to the scope and size of the fraud being perpetrated by our current FED. What they all have in common is an insidious practice known as "fractional banking."

Fractional banking or fractional lending is the ability to create money from nothing, lend it to the government or someone else and charge interest to boot. The practice evolved before banks existed. Goldsmiths rented out space in their vaults to individuals and merchants for storage of their gold or silver. The goldsmiths gave these "depositors" a certificate that showed the amount of gold stored. These certificates were then used to conduct business.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

That is whats happening infront of many blind eyes it started back in the Kennedy / Johnson why do you think they pulled the plug on KENNEDY ??????

Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest

Kennedy also took steps to get rid of the Federal Reserve, by printing 50 billion dollars in silver certificates, which were interest free. He planed to use this money to pay off the national debt and to free the American people from the control of the Illuminati Banksters. If the U.S Government would print its own money interest free like the Constitution says they should be doing, the national debt would be zero, and all taxes could be eliminated. The average American would have twice as much money to live on. If our government would print their own money interest free, like President Andrew Jackson, President Abraham Lincoln, and President John F. Kennedy, have done in the past, the national debt would no longer be an issue, and taxes would be gone, and the average American could have very little, if any, debt. History shows President Kennedy was assassinated within a few months of issuing silver backed interest free United States Notes.

Your preaching to the choir over here lol why do you think president lincoln was assassinated? because of the civil war? Not a chance it was him trying to free us from the money system. He was killed after the war ended and most of the nation south included mourned his loss and did not want that to happen.

 

[DrFever]

Instead of fulfilling their oath, most of our top leaders in America deliberately lie to get into position, disregarding the oath they made before God, and bring oppression upon the American public. We have been betrayed by traitors.

Oh that people would stop falling for high-tech propaganda over and over again. Unfortunately, the general public is stupid. While the general public was figuring out that President George W. Bush was a thieving, lying, thug; they were already praising Barack Obama as some type of savior; but since being elected as U.S. President, Obama has lied about bringing the troops home, lied about repealing the Patriot Act, lied about stopping the illegal wire-tapping of Americans, lied about renegotiating NAFTA, lied about not hiring lobbyists and donors, lied about cleaning up government, lied about closing the torture camps in Guantanamo Bay, lied about waiting 5-days before signing any new laws, and so on.

The Secretary of the Treasury is in reality, the manager of the American bankruptcy (i.e., the Federal Reserve system). The Federal Reserve is no more “federal” than Federal Express. The Federal Reserve Bank is totally private. Since 1913, they have been above the law, exempt form being audited. They are the true villains of the American society. They are the criminals. It's the Banksters who have cost you your job, home, retirement, and drained your Social Security. The Democrat/Republican feud is all staged to keep our house divided as a nation, and the newsmedia is a part of the deception.

 

[DrFever]

The Police State control-grid will be completed in the next few years in the United States. Then it will be too late and the American people will all be slaves. If 40,000,000 decent Russian citizens were exterminated under Lenin and Stalin during “the people's war” (1925-1940), do you think it can't happen here in America? If Hitler killed millions, and Tao in China murdered 60,000,000 Chinese, do you think we're invincible as Americans from tyranny and oppression?

No, we are next. Americans will get what they deserve for being willingly ignorant, complacent and stupid. I pray to God that more people will wake up and start fighting against the Godless, evil, unjust and thug-controlled New World Order.

The only “CHANGE” we have seen under Obama's watch is more dead troops, more unemployment, more illegals coming across the border, more lies, more thievery on Wall Street, more reckless debt-spending in Washington, more Americans losing their homes, et cetera. There will be NO CHANGE for the better. There are many striking similarities between our recent Presidents and Hitler. Obama = Hitler? Is it nothing to you that we are being lied to and deceived?

 

[DrFever]

"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms it will because we destroyed ourselves" —Abraham Lincoln

"Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God? —Thomas Jefferson

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government." —Patrick Henry
"The citizens of the U.S. are responsible for the greatest trust ever confided to a political society" —James Madison

"We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government." —James Madison

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." —Thomas Jefferson

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." —George Washington

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." —William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783

"We must all hang together, or, assuredly, we shall all hang separately." —Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity. —Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

 

[Green lung]

Watch out guys obama is going to put a micro chip in you by march 13, 2013.






.

 

[Bag]

so chip = the tip ? just the tip ?

Watch out guys obama is going to put a micro chip in you by march 13, 2013.






.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Watch out guys obama is going to put a micro chip in you by march 13, 2013.






.

thats bs, i researched it and read the actual documented from obama care, it just doesn't say what is claimed here.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

But it has good sides too, if you forget a password or lost an e-mal adress, now you can ask the NSA, they got it all storred. Pretty nice service!

 

[bentom187]

its a card not a chip, either way we are going to be tracked. but it is none the less useless as no illegal immigrant is going straight to the SS office to sign up. this is for us. just the premise of healthcare or immigration has changed.


Immigration Reform Bill Includes National Biometric Database

A national biometric database of virtually every adult in the United States would be created under the comprehensive immigration reform legislation currently being debated in the Senate.

Such a database, introduced on page 178 of the 844-page bill, has privacy groups fearing that it is the first step toward a national identification system, Wired.com reports.

The reform bill would create a “photo tool” — a huge federal database — that would be administered by the Department of Homeland Security, Wired reports.

It would contain the names, ages, Social Security numbers and photographs of everyone in the nation with a driver’s license or other state-issued photo ID.

Employers would be required to check the database for every new hire to verify that they match their photo, Wired reports.

The database seeks to curb the employment of undocumented immigrants, but privacy advocates fear widespread abuse on many levels.

“It starts to change the relationship between the citizen and state. You do have to get permission to do things,” Chris Calabrese, a congressional lobbyist with the American Civil Liberties Union, told Wired. “More fundamentally, it could be the start of keeping a record of all things.”

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