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How big is the universe?

Storm Shadow

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http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...e-other-universes-cosmic-microwave-background

Researchers Find Evidence of Other Universes Lurking in the Cosmic Background
Our poor universe shows bruises from collisions with other universes

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'Cosmic Bruises' in the CMB Feeny, et. al.
Just when the search for exoplanets looked like the undisputed fashionable field of study for 2010, the cosmic microwave background (CMB) is stepping to the forefront of astronomy and cosmology. Last month, it was Oxford’s Roger Penrose claiming that he’d found evidence of a cyclical universe in patterns of concentric circles in the CMB, suggesting our universe is just one of many that have come before it (and will come after it). Now, another group of researchers are claiming the CMB contains evidence of other universes that exist concurrently (and outside of) our own.
The new evidence, put forth by a group of researchers at University College London, is based upon the model of “eternal inflation,” which is predicated on the idea that our universe is part of a larger and ever-expanding multiverse. Our universe is contained in a kind of cosmic bubble that exists alongside other universes contained in their own bubbles, and in these universes the rules of physics could be far different than in our own.

If the eternal inflation theory is correct, it follows that our universe and other universes have likely collided in the past as they violently bounced around the larger multiverse, and those collisions should be evident in the CMB (the cosmic microwave background is a leftover from the Big Bang, and thus is of interest to astronomers and cosmologists for the long historical record it contains – if researchers know what to look for).

The University College team went looking for “cosmic bruises” in the CMB that indicate places where other universes collided with our own at some point, and it claims to have found them in data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe
(WMAP), which has been measuring temperature differences in the CMB over the past decade. If indeed the spots are found to be “cosmic bruises,” it would lend a lot of credence to the idea that there are other universes out there that at some point collided with our own.
But that’s a big “if.” If the earlier CMB findings by Penrose are any indicator, proving or disproving these sorts of claims rooted in WMAP data is extremely difficult. Fortunately, as Tech Review points out, the ongoing Planck mission should soon provide a much better picture of the CMB to astronomers, allowing them to hopefully prove or disprove some of these cosmological theories. Until then, the time is ripe to attribute statistical anomalies in the vast CMB data set to complex cosmological theories.
 

zerokewl

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according tosomeof the experiments on that show the universe is still speeding up
they also have a how small is the universe wich is pretty cool as well
 

dddaver

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My problem with that Big Bang creating space theory, so what was occupying that place before that? I think space is time. It has always seemed just logical to me if any alien did ever visit this planet, they had the ability to conquer space and time. They already knew what would happen. And most experts agree, if earthlings ever do encounter creatures that have traveled through space, we most assuredly would come out on the losing end of that meet.

But I sure ain't the sharpest tool in the shed. I have no idea what really is, nor does anyone.
 

Stonefree69

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My problem with that Big Bang creating space theory, so what was occupying that place before that? I think space is time.
My iq's supposed to be 127. I always thought time was merely a tool invented by man, not part of some fabric of the universe. IOW time was passage of cause and effect.
 

Stoner4Life

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the universe is a LOT smaller than you've all been led to believe, god has it set up w/a few strategically placed mirrors just to give it the appearance of being larger than it really is, a trick he's passed on to several qualified interiors decorators.......

 

dddaver

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My iq was measured near that number, but now they say all iq tests are biased so therefore meaningless. I think also since my brain has had to deal with so much junk over the years, that iq number would probably be somewhat less now anyway.

At first I was taught time is a completely man-made thing but then I learned about Einsteins theory of relativity and how if a man goes into space and then returns he hasn't aged as much as the people that stayed behind on earth. So it's all relative. I suppose you have to think of time then as more than just a man-made concept. It has real scientific applications that go further.
 

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Harry Gypsna

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"Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space, listen..."
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So long, and thanks for all the Fish.
 

fatburt

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I just saw a new show called “How big is the universe?” and it was very interesting.

It explained how the universe really does go on forever. They plotted a triangle from the background radiation map and found the sums of the angles formed were 180 degrees (degrees measured to 3 decimals which is said to be adequate enough). This proves that space is flat and therefore the universe is infinite. If the sum of the angles formed were greater than 180 degrees then this would've shown space is curved and the universe would have a limit (similar to how Ptolemy calculated circumference of the earth).

When the big bang happened it didn't expand from a central point. Space itself was created from the big bang so it essentially happened everywhere (in infinity). Space expanded faster than the speed of light. There really is no relative center to the universe. Like a cell in a body, this universe does essentially have a beginning and an end time wise but there are an infinite number of other universes perpetuating the cycle.

Physicists even think there may be an infinite number of infinite universes. The Great Attractor, which is named from a big section of the universe moving towards it, may just prove the existence of another universe nearby (relatively).

On another note lately some physicists may think the universe is a big computer simulation. They say it's more than a 50-50 chance this is so from observations. It does seem hard to swallow being how big the universe is and the number of counter arguments that can be made. Maybe it's just some geeks with fogged up glasses thinking "god" himself is a geek. They say nothing's impossible, so maybe just a bunch of monkeys creating it by accident from an infinite amount of possibilities and universes on some typewriter program. That's really stretching the bell curve of possibilities though, even given an infinite amount of outcomes.

its like asking how big is gods dick...lmao
 

Stonefree69

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All I wanna know know is who is thinkinv about the existence of existence?
Like this?

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That's why instead of being Atheist I lean towards Zen or Buddhism or Jainism in dealing with the universe or multiverse. Jainism you're supposed to respect other's beliefs but there's also no "god worship". Being scientific nice to know objective facts though.
 

noobs1988

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I believe it does have an end. We just cant measure it. I saw the triangle theory but another well trusted physicist comes on later to say he didnt agree with what the triangle theroy proved. He said the change in the angles was so small we couldnt measure it.
 

Stonefree69

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I believe it does have an end. We just cant measure it. I saw the triangle theory but another well trusted physicist comes on later to say he didnt agree with what the triangle theroy proved. He said the change in the angles was so small we couldnt measure it.
Heard that too, I think Michio Kaku also said that. Well they have a big bang afterglow radiation map much more detailed now and that might show something. Good point. Hard to conceive of an "infinite" universe when we know it's expanding. Why would it need to or how could it expand if it was infinite already?

I think it's still entropy in infinite space & the triangle angles measured will always measure a "flat" or infinite universe. The measurements already taken seem pretty conclusive doing the math & accuracy needed. A finite universe would seem to indicate expansion from a central point. The universe is not expanding from a central point.

Hello all,

Buahahahaha...What about infinite smallness?

minds_I
From what is known down to neutrinos, antineutrinos and maybe strings. On the big end branes & membranes. Also “The Planck constant is related to the quantization of light and matter. Therefore, the Planck constant can be seen as a subatomic-scale constant.” They also try to go back as early as the big bang as possible when it began using Plank time.

Good thing science at least has concepts for both 0 & infinity. ;) Any number compared to infinity (except infinity) no matter how big is still infinitely small.
 

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