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Everybody a breeder ?
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rhinoman 1
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good thread just needs some pics.
frito bandito
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thats because you have no understanding.
here is the exact quote I was looking for earlier:
"You do not really understand anything unless you can explain it your grandmother." -- A. Einstein
"we"? who is this "we"? what knowledge can YOU personally offer anyone?
i think you're getting a little too big for your britches, buddy.
my point, which you seem to have completely missed, is that the unnecessary use of technical jargon does NOTHING to advance any discussion. it just ends up looking like a bunch of blowhards trying to impress each other over the size of their vocabulary. most of the people arguing here actually agree on a lot of things, but they're so busy looking shit up in a dictionary to try to figure out what the other guy is saying, that they dont realize it.
it would not be an exaggeration to say that there are few English language speakers who have as expansive a vocabulary as I do, of both common and technical terms. if you think i'm just complaining because i'm too stupid to understand all them thar "big words" yall keep using, then it sounds like the problem here is your ego, and lack of communication skills.....not my education or intelligence.
what on earth are you talking about? who is refusing anything? i already told you....i have probably read 10x as many books as you personally have ever thought of reading. get off your horse.
i'm quite familiar with gregor mendel's work. and yes, i have already formed quite a good understanding....probably better than yours. i'm happy to listen to any and all logical arguments about plant breeding, if you care to offer one. gregor mendel does not know everything and neither does luther burbank, especially regarding cannabis. we have to rely on our own brains. the only thing that really matters is knowledge, not some dusty old books. if you disagree with me on something, feel free to construct a logical argument and present it. otherwise go hide in your books and let the experienced speak.
rhinoman 1
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Hey Tom sir, to bad you cant seem to post easy to understand stuff like this without the insults.
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Thanks Tom.
I understand now.
STS or CS? Which is best?
Looks like STS, am now changing the way I make crosses.
I understand now.
STS or CS? Which is best?
Looks like STS, am now changing the way I make crosses.
lol right on its the grower im with you 110%
not about assessing blame but calculating causation which can be done with quantitative genetics
the problem is to calculate the effect i am describing requires growing identical genetics in both a closed and open environments, breeding them out using identical techniques and comparing,testing populations and comparing results
the quantitative genetics is very technical but I found a fairly easy to understand college primer
http://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc431/quantgen/qgen2.htm
interesting if not overwhelming BUT I would reference this to make the point I was making clearer from the reference above
Therefore, the phenotype is a sum of the environmental and the genetic effects. Stated in a mathematical format:
Phenotype = Genetic Factors + Environmental Factors
And one of the goals of quantitative genetics is to measure the contribution of genetic and environmental factors on a specific phenotype. As you might imagine,the field of quantiative genetics also studies other aspects of quantitative traits.
Questions Studied By Quantitative Geneticists
What is the genetic and environmental contribution to the phenotype?
How many genes influence the trait?
Are the contributions of the genes equal?
How do alleles at different loci interact: additively? epistatically?
How rapid will the trait change under selection?
Bro you hit it on the head right there
we control the norm of reaction that effects the phenotypic plasticity and as i said it CAN be measured
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotypic_plasticity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norms_of_reaction
so that would mean if you "dial in" a strain via environment you will be increasing the percentage of potentially desirable phenotypes that correlate to the chemical phenotype you are looking for thus increasing the odds you will find it in a smaller set of numbers
this was the same conclusion I had made and this view is supported by quantitative genetics
thank you so much for helping me put that to words
a few minutes of google and civil conversation with a few heads made that real simple thanks
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I'm not sure, is it the canvas or the paint that makes it art?
Nope that's not how it was discovered. But how will it be improved or even maintained in seed form? I guess it'll only take a lot of smoke tests in your world.
They're buying because the Breeder is saying they have a cutting in seed form...often time this is a lie.
Great...and how do we get there? This mom smokes like Chem D I guess we'll cross it to the male that smokes the most like Chem D? And now we have the Chem D in seed form by using these valuable selection skills? You're clueless....
Everyone knows what mom smokes the best Weird. So fucking what? Then what do you do? How do you get those values into a seedline is the question.
Please just go back to marketing coca-cola.
GW is using gene manipulation? What a spooky term for mister marketer, I bet it doesn't test well.
Oh, you just mean they're breeding?
And they're breeding using methods discussed in this very thread.
But wait, they're using *gasp* CHEMISTRY? This really doesn't sound good. No one should probably try this at home. We should prob just smoke test the best mom and then we'll have value. Don't look behind the curtain guys, nothing to see back there.
you dont measure the art of taste with either, dont divert the point counter it logically
thats right and if the smoke test is not involved, if the high that people are looking for isnt delivered NOTHING else matters
stop making science and art mutually exclusive they are both involved until you are GW pharma using gas chromagraphy and and cannabinoid profiles to gauge if it smokes better
be relevant and relative i don't need more trolls
they are buying it because they want to smoke chem d they want the experience of the high the other prototypical traits dont matter
you wont get there if no one breeds it either so either be completely assed out or take your chances
i bet alot of dudes rather have a choice than none at all
no one is forcing you to buy anything
i might be clueless but that is chem d the cut laden with seed i guess i should have read the book first
someone made a thread what matters most .. most people jsut want whats promised not a discourse in plant breeding
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=259277
and why dont you go back to hiding under the skirt you came from getting tired of your trolling
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greekgardner
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AHHH CHOOO...........
The people who buy Chem D in seed form don't have the Chem D clone. So how the fuck would they know if it is the Chem D high they're looking for or not?
WOW, you managed to pollinate a cutting someone gave to you. You've certainly proven yourself. No book readin' for mister marketer, he's got all his bases covered! Be careful you might be manipulating those genes.
because they smoked it?
yea I did didn't I
let me ask you, what is the chance the progeny will be absolutely nothing like the mother?
not by hitting chem d with pollen but by breeding what keeps me happy today years ago yeah i certainly did
ask me how many times i ran chem d and how many times i run my own gear .. still
Like mendel the christian monk school in philosophy i used "ANECDOTAL" evidence and intuition to make choices and unlike you i have proof of the performance from those choices
I showed my the results of my breeding project pages before why don't you show me yours
I don't read books if I don't desire the value from the education its a personal choice
I did read a bit about marketing since it was my major and I understand how to market both in legal and illegal markets
like I said and posted, I bred my shit back before the internet and in the end it is still what I enjoy to smoke
its all about what tickles your receptors the right way and if you bothered to put in the effort or time you'd find your senses wont disappoint you
and ive had a fair number of elites and i know how to grow them trust me on that one and im not dissing any of them, in my mind every "keeper" is the apple of somebodies eye and has merit in that regard but did any of them make me want to smoke them more?
no
then it became apparent how subjective the subject of "high" and "taste" were because there are a lot of guys who feel just like me
dudes who have 20+ years in doing this and there is no one holy grail that everyone creams over
weed is like beer in that there is a whole level of personal preference that goes into determining best
taste
you really think your little mendel trait chart means anything if the trait you are searching for isn't predicated on how it smokes?
you grow weed and breed according to a mendel chart on visual appearance traits only and get back to me
ill keep on using that defective taste and intuition that got me this far
Oh, so they have a friend with the cut who grew it for them to smoke but then he wouldn't share it? Sounds like an asshole.
I don't know, was that male the very best of the ones you smoked
What was the ANECDOTAL evidence?
Yeah, it'd be a real shame if you were educated on the subject of the thread you're posting in.
Is that what you think the book would tell us to do?
Maybe you should crack that thing?
Oh, so they have a friend with the cut who grew it for them to smoke but then he wouldn't share it? Sounds like an asshole.
not everyone who has weed grows weed
and what does an asshole sound like? do they have an echo when you talk into them?
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how far off the original will it be?
I gave you links to quantitative genetic science books so you can figure it out
for me ill simply compare the progeny to the parent, that will be the start, if i need to go further than that ill go from there
first one is always how it smokes
experience doesn't mean anything nor does natural capacity only the book ok i get it now
does teh book tell you when your high too?
Is that what you think the book would tell us to do?
Maybe you should crack that thing?
you made me read the book donnie i read the fucking book donnie
and i did post what i found relevant why
well see how long it takes people to pour through that stuff and disseminate the information inside
truth is truth nobody is changing that no matter how hard they try
You sir, have the wit of 1,000 StarCraft gamers.
Shouldn't you have told me what you crossed it with then?
Check page 420 bro!
Weird do you think -and I mean even for a millisecond- that your selections could not be vastly improved upon by utilizing more advanced proven selection methods? I mean WTF man, all I see is a little brat who's trying to make arguments for not wanting to go to school.
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hey wierd just for reference tell me all your knowledge on breeding a how you go about making a cross and why you made that cross?
ill probably get a long whinded response that says nothing and you'll still be posting nonsense in a week but just so we all know do tell your most in depth knowledge about breeding so we can establish where your coming from, you can keep blabbering but until you say what you mean you will not be speaking you will be spewwing words that youve subconsciously heard for the sake of no one
ill probably get a long whinded response that says nothing and you'll still be posting nonsense in a week but just so we all know do tell your most in depth knowledge about breeding so we can establish where your coming from, you can keep blabbering but until you say what you mean you will not be speaking you will be spewwing words that youve subconsciously heard for the sake of no one
Lemon Larry
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is possible to turn this into a grow off
a tomhill vs wierd grow off with % results made here
includeing a lab test and pics
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is possible to turn this into a grow off
a tomhill vs wierd grow off with % results made here
includeing a lab test and pics
Why, is there really any doubt that peoples selections will improve by taking advantage of the known maths/science? Is there really any doubt that dissenting opinions on that are just people defending their current ignorance on the matter, and/or making excuses to get out of furthering their education of the subject?
I've been masturbating furiously to this thread, keep it up boys!
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