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Avinash.miles

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can some one link to zodiacs vid please? id like to watch it again just cant find it without the link to the thread.
 
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DaveTheNewbie

I may have seen the test unspoken refers to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJx6i5jSVeo) and if you watch this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFge3iKSxEY) you can see that the induction lights are meant to run about 3 times closer to the canopy than HID lights (6 inches vs 20 inches). Because of the inverse square law, that means 9 times more light at the canopy and stronger light penetration underneath the canopy. There could also be the potential to run the induction lights even closer to the canopy with the help of a light rail, which could be how Zodiac is able to claim such high yields.

that makes sense to me
 

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But will yas take the plunge on hearsay and conjecture ?......Me thinks not........Hopefully.....

Peace....Freds.....:ying:.....

Obviously I won't be converting all my rigs to Induction but...

I WILL definitely be grabbing (1) 420w to test out on a 3x3...

If I achieve 15%+ better GPW I will be switching over pretty quickly as I would make that back in the first run and save big on AC.
 

Stonefree69

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What? To a commercial grower those numbers are sexy enough to make me blow my load... if 840 induction watts are comparable to 1000 HID watts I will be switching over immediately...

16% energy savings in lighting alone + AC costs (which are about 35% of my total energy costs)... INSANE benefits...

16% energy savings on lighting alone would pay for the upgrade in 1 run...
That video confirms my suspicion about potency. "Didn't have the resin weight of the HPS". The video was made by a sales rep for Inda Grow, so I doubt they have the product tested, or don't want to disclose it. It looks like they admit the better combo is Inda Grow for veg, and HPS for flower. T5s are cheaper no?
I think these are a better deal anyway for induction fluorescent lights: Fulham HH-ILS-T-DC-400-5K 400W Tubular Type Induction System Die Cast Ballast
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With this you can still utilize vertical light setups. Also can't go wrong w/Fulham ballasts and may be a better deal @ about $400 for 400 watts each. With Inda Grow you're limited to horizontal type fixtures I believe.

The induction lights are similar in performance to T5s (about 90 lumens/sq ft). They also tout T5s can be closer to the canopy as well, I was thinking of using Quantum Bad Boys & T5s in a vertical setup too. Still HID looks like it still holds the edge for PENETRATION. The hype factor is being played as usual, but induction lighting is the real deal in some cases. For now though I'm sticking with T5s and HID lights.
 

Jbonez

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400w Induction light keeping up with a 1k.. skip to about 5 min into the vid..

You can dissect this video to make it sound like bullshit but its an actual side by side with an induction light keeping up with a 1k....
Note this grower is not very good, the induction light is far too high above the canopy..

Going by GPW overhead, the Induction light pwns..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg-pAKxiwjE
 

TPFTFW

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smoking on buds from a indagro par420.. my buddy bought 3.. its just as dense as his 1ks.. hes just going to use them as side lighting for now.. theyre slender and give off little to no heat.. if you went hard with them you could see ridiculous benefits (theyre like foot n a half wide.. stack em 2x2 n theres hella potential...)
just my experience
didnt see J's post up above before i said any of that fyi.. it def keeps up.. DEFINITELY from first hand experience is comparable to a 1k hands down..
another customer bought one and has it on a light rail going over his SCROG in replacement of a magnumXXl 1K hps (w/o rail) and he says theyre looking better.. no shit
 

Jbonez

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smoking on buds from a indagro par420.. my buddy bought 3.. its just as dense as his 1ks.. hes just going to use them as side lighting for now.. theyre slender and give off little to no heat.. if you went hard with them you could see ridiculous benefits (theyre like foot n a half wide.. stack em 2x2 n theres hella potential...)
just my experience
didnt see J's post up above before i said any of that fyi.. it def keeps up.. DEFINITELY from first hand experience is comparable to a 1k hands down..

DAAAAYYYYUUUUMMMM homie... lol...

where ya been, bit late to the show bro, we are finding out these lights are little more than "hype"..

You get that taken care of bro?, lemme know if I can help with anything..
 

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so you guys are saying i could yield over what i can with a 1kw hps (1gpw regularly) with this.

you mean a 400 watt floro will give me 2.2 pounds?

you guys do realize that is over 3gpw from a 400 watt bulb, a bulb that has been around for over a century, and available to all universities and labs, yet they use hps and mh as the standard?.....?
 

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jus some pics i took of said technology
and yeah its a bit better. still gettin there.. you any good at reveggin? lol ill shoot ya a PM

im telling you i have first hand experience with these babies and have seen them in action and am nothing but impressed with what they put out.. also the leaves get literally thicker compared to the same feeding under HPS.. like.. rubbery thick.. yes i sincerely think that 4 par 420's will beat 3K watts HPS ALL DAY.. you can take that to the bank.. haha
also never said yield over.. but VERY comparable.. (the right person could tield more im sure..) only thing is its 420 not 1000.. sooooo. just get 2.. haha. inda gro warranties their lights for 10 years.. everything on it.. 10 years.. i think with electricity savings and also not having to buy bulbs every year this bitch pays for itself.. not to mention lessening the need for AC and other items that draw lots of power as well. also look into a par 420's bulb while on and then tell me its like a flouro.. after you get your vision back 45 minutes later..
 

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I think these are a better deal anyway for induction fluorescent lights: Fulham HH-ILS-T-DC-400-5K 400W Tubular Type Induction System Die Cast Ballast View Image

With this you can still utilize vertical light setups. Also can't go wrong w/Fulham ballasts and may be a better deal @ about $400 for 400 watts each. With Inda Grow you're limited to horizontal type fixtures I believe.

The induction lights are similar in performance to T5s (about 90 lumens/sq ft). They also tout T5s can be closer to the canopy as well, I was thinking of using Quantum Bad Boys & T5s in a vertical setup too. Still HID looks like it still holds the edge for PENETRATION. The hype factor is being played as usual, but induction lighting is the real deal in some cases. For now though I'm sticking with T5s and HID lights.

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jus some pics i took of said technology
and yeah its a bit better. still gettin there.. you any good at reveggin? lol ill shoot ya a PM

honestly, it looks like indagro is selling 400 dollar fulham induction lights with a reflector for 800$

what a fuckin deal....
 

Jbonez

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https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=39495&pictureid=1016240View Image https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=39495&pictureid=1016239View Image
jus some pics i took of said technology
and yeah its a bit better. still gettin there.. you any good at reveggin? lol ill shoot ya a PM

im telling you i have first hand experience with these babies and have seen them in action and am nothing but impressed with what they put out.. also the leaves get literally thicker compared to the same feeding under HPS.. like.. rubbery thick.. yes i sincerely think that 4 par 420's will beat 3K watts HPS ALL DAY.. you can take that to the bank.. haha

lol, yeah, I suppose.. holler..

I wish you woulda said something sooner bout these lights bro, Id never have thought to ask tho of course..
 

Jbonez

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so you guys are saying i could yield over what i can with a 1kw hps (1gpw regularly) with this.

you mean a 400 watt floro will give me 2.2 pounds?

you guys do realize that is over 3gpw from a 400 watt bulb, a bulb that has been around for over a century, and available to all universities and labs, yet they use hps and mh as the standard?.....?

I just showed you a video of an ill informed grower with his light far too high above the canopy out yielding a 1k (gpw wise)..

What more proof do you need.
 

Jbonez

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And I dont know what the fuck this dude has going on, but that doesnt look like nugs you get that far from a flouro...

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Stonefree69

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jus some pics i took of said technology
and yeah its a bit better. still gettin there.. you any good at reveggin? lol ill shoot ya a PM

im telling you i have first hand experience with these babies and have seen them in action and am nothing but impressed with what they put out.. also the leaves get literally thicker compared to the same feeding under HPS.. like.. rubbery thick.. yes i sincerely think that 4 par 420's will beat 3K watts HPS ALL DAY.. you can take that to the bank.. haha
also never said yield over.. but VERY comparable.. only thing is its 420 not 1000.. sooooo. just get 2.. haha. inda gro warranties their lights for 10 years.. everything on it.. 10 years.. i think with electricity savings and also not having to buy bulbs every year this bitch pays for itself.. not to mention lessening the need for AC and other items that draw lots of power as well.
Growers also report similar experiences using MH instead of HPS for flower, like seeing frostier buds. Higher temp (k) of lights could be a factor. That's why I use both in flower, also to get the fuller spectrum. The sun isn't "yellow" at noon or peak hours (9am-3pm), even during fall season.
 

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Jbonez, one of those videos not coming from someone selling the lights. I saw one from someone who wasn't a salesman using 2x 420s and getting the same exact thing this guy is claiming to do with 1. What gives there? 1 maxes the light out?

Architect, indagrow claims the reflector and custom phosphor blend for spectrum are their benefits, I believe.
 
Theres a guy on RIU by the name of splifferous. So far he has the best journal online from what ive found and better than most of the other growers using this technology. THeres also a side by side on the farm vs a 1000hps in the grow diaries.
Majority of all the growers using induction lighting arent doing it any justice. Yield doesnt seem like there number one goal.

Hmmmm.... Orca walls, induction light 6" from the tops, Co2, SOG, remove fans...etc = I think they would perform well.

I put my hands under one of these and they put off barely any heat
 
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