question about crumbly wax

[knubs]

In my humble opinion, whipping is bad technique and wax is subpar quality product. Not here to argue the point, simply to share an alternative point of view.
At the end of the day, to each his own.

that's pretty vague. why do you think wax is subpar, and what product do you prefer by what method?

 

[midwestHIGHS]

The autobuddering phenomenon under vacuum and constant heat is directly correlated to thick film purging rather than proper thin film purging, the thinner the better, more surface area to release solvent which will make it hard to wax up and continue to purge. I also am not a fan of waxs/budders/honeycomb there more constricting with less expectorant qualities than raw bho shatter/sap IME, but regardless of being sap/shatter or a wax/budder/honeycomb all these raw bho's have irratating plant waxes, lipids and fats. And unless winterized with a polar solvent like ethanol, will still contain them.

Safe dabbing everyone, just worry about yalls health sometime after personally experiencing these lung issues.

As said before to each his own, not here to argue, just stating what I have gainded threw personal experience.

 

[Zdub7k]

you can still get 99.6% pure oil thats been purified and filtered with dif solvents and filters to budder up still, so that seems interesting....I've made double filtered batches a few times but didnt think they were any cleaner...at least not to my palate. I vac at temp so it is certainly a thin film as opposed to a thick room temp consistency. Im still working and learning in this dept...I dont pretend to know it all, but what I do know, is from first hand experience.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

If you referring to budderkings claims of 99.6% pure cannabinoid budder, it has been said time and time again that Dr Hornby who did the testing is a fraud. His findings should not be taken as factual. Budderkings extracts are very strong and potent because he uses very high quality material from very good genetics. It is an Isopropanol extraction that is whipped nothing else, altough many have confused it with Isomerization.

 

[Zdub7k]

I know there is lots of folklore behind it but there are several shops in BC that carry his product and have had it tested independently...also the guy who won the caregivers cup in MI this year had 99.8% simpson oil that he makes with a iso and ethanol....so I dont see why people find it so hard to believe...and the 99.8 was an average of three tests...he had it come back 100% for one of the samples....have you smoked good budder? to each his own and I fully agree with that, but the people I see preaching absolutes have never had good clean budder IMO...

 

[jump117]

...he had it come back 100% for one of the samples....

And I'm not surprised at all.
Sorry for the little side story,
but not so long ago in the elections in Russia,
in one region 146% of the electorate voted.



ask google "Rostov 146%" to confirmation of the TRUE fact.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

Yes I've made very tasty wax/budder whipped and non whipped under deep vacuum and heat, it would be ignorant for me saying I prefer one over the other with out trying the other methods.

Raw bho budder/wax/sap/shatter w.e has a high terpene load, but also high contaminate load, yes it tastes good and the smell is strong, but the plant waxes and fats that are deposited in are lungs are not good for us. This is why I feel absolutes are superior, they are void of these threw winterization and don't leave me short of breath and my lungs feeling sticky. Although absolutes have lost some the lighter terpenes with the additional processing rendering it not as tasty as raw bho, but its still damn tasty and is so much easier on the lungs.

I very much doubt 100% pure cannabinoid oil just with the use of ethanol and Isopropanol, Isomerization would be required I believe.

 

[knubs]

so midwestHIGHS, if i wanted to do an alcohol wash of some honeycomb with bacardi 151 (strongest alcohol you can get in cali) what steps would you recommend to get it to this ultra clean state? just dissolve, filter, and boil off, or is there more i should do? i am willing to give the absolutes another chance if you want to give me the important details on the method to make it awesome like you say.
i'm all about the final product being smooth and easy to consume, and if something can beat honeycomb like you say then i will give it a fair chance.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

It's not going to work with a 151 bacardi way to much water, 190 proof alcohol is the best for winterizing, this is what will give you the results I speak of. If you haven't been to jumps absolute amber sticky make sure to check that out.

What I do is blast bho into a pyrex, then once the liquid butane has evaporated and im left with underpurged bubbly bho, I pour in 190 proof ethanol untill it covers the oil in the pyrex and a little bit more. There is no need to fully purge the initial butane extaction because it will have evaporated once dissolve in the ethanol , this will help save some terpenes that would of been lost purging the butane. After the bho is fully dissolved in ethanol, pour into a mason jar or something similiar, cover, and place in the freezer at around 0F for 24 hours. This is called winterizing it will cause the plant waxes, lipids and fats to precipitate and then can be filtered out of the solution using an unbleached coffee filter. Now purge your ethanol in a thin film with heat or with heat and deep vacuum to speed things up. What your left with is an absolute amber that is free of residual butane, waxes, lipids and fats. The texture of the end product will depend on the age of the starting material, if it was recently dried material you will have nice brittle glassy sample of AA.

 

[knubs]

sounds like how i did it back when i originally tried it. i can only get 151 in california though so i will have to really focus on purging the moisture out. if you say that purging wont do anything if i am going to dissolve it then i will just try it with oil next time i run a batch. then i can officially test them side by side.

 

[midwestHIGHS]

The azeotrope solution of alcohol and water evaporate as one with 95% alcohol and 5% water, I would assume its the same with 151. The azetrope solution has a boiling point that is slightly lower than pure ethanol so it won't be needed to exceed 173F. The weaker alcohol because of the higher water content, just don't seem to cut it for dewaxing.

One time I accidently used 151 everclear, dissolving decarboxylated bho from my domes and end of my dabber after dabs, it did not work well at all. I would say just hold out till you aquire some 190 proof. A good way to lower the amount of plant waxes, lipids and fats picked up without a second solvent, Is getting your butane cans and packed tubes very very cold before blasting. Some use dryice packed in there tube with the material for really cold temps, to avoid picking up lots of these contaminates. It will lower the amount picked up, but you will still have some that the butane grabbed regardless of how cold you got it.

You could also use 96% - 99% Isopropanol I suppose, be careful though most store bought have bittering agents added to it, to be honest I would just wait untill you aquire some 190 proof. I feel you will be unhappy with the results using anything less. I don't suggest using anything else for this purpose.

 

[Kushed_]

Can't you just use 190 proof denatured Ethanol?

 

[midwestHIGHS]

Denatured has methanol or other poisons added to it to render it undrinkable, personally I would never use this, ever. I love 190 proof ethanol, my favorite solvent being the least hazardous.

 

[Kushed_]

Denatured has methanol or other poisons added to it to render it undrinkable, personally I would never use this, ever. I love 190 proof ethanol, my favorite solvent being the least hazardous.

Butane is probably the lesser of the three evils-butane, methanol, & other poisons.

Which can be purged the easiest?

 

[Shcrews]

Oh no! Plant waxes, lipids and fat!!!

I swear the med scene is being pussified these days

 

[midwestHIGHS]

Ohh no, my lungs literally do not feel as healthy as they used be and I believe it's directly related to dabbing raw bho everyday. I feel there is a big difference between vaporizing plant waxes, lipids and fats in there natural state in flowers, drysifts, water hashs etc. compared to whats been dissolved by a solvent then purged of solvent.

I go by what MY lungs/body tell me and I can't breath well after taking dabs of raw bho, simple as that, vaporizing fullmelts and flowers doesn't do this to me and they have all these plant waxes. Absolutes clean of these contaminates open up my air ways with exceptional expectorant qualities. I hear people all the time talking about the coating/constricted feeling they get with raw bho's and I always comment with my experience on the subject. This feeling is not good for you, believe what you want. If you like what you have then thats all that matters, but saying it is "pussified", is completely unjustifiable.

Dabbin Absolutes FTW keeping my lungs healthy.

 

[knubs]

i do remember back when i started dabbing that every dab hurt. it was before i started vac purging and i was only whipping my stuff and every hit was harsh and made me cough like crazy. now that i make honeycomb though it feels like how the absolutes do that you described. the hit feels like it makes you breathe better. i still bust out some of my really old stash occasionally to see how different it is and it always surprises me with the harshness.

i will have to start taking videos when i drop my FAT dabs and show how there is no cough.

i'm still anxious to try good absolutes though. eventually when i go out of state i will grab some everclear.

 

[teemu shalanie]

gunna try an order a bottle of 190 proof everclear from alberta , it's one of the only provinces that sell it in Canada,...
TS

 

[Zdub7k]

Heres a little documentary on my last run..... started with 700g of Frankenstein OG flowers


then I ground it all up with a food processor, and blasted it in my big stainless tube, its was four tubes@5cans of tane per tube for a total of 20 cans


heat bathed it for an hour or so, switching the water with warmer when it would cool, then put it in the vac...


so far it weighs 117 grams, but will continue to lose some weight as it dries......prolly finish right around 112...this isnt the best return Ive got, I figure its bc the plant wasnt totally mature...it got taken down about 4 weeks too early (outside,it still had nice hard nugs on it)...the last pure flower run I did, was 543 grams, 16 cans, 4 tubes @ 4 cans per tube and pulled 118 g back...that was tops tho....the batch is in the vac now purging.....shes almost stable at 110

 

[Zdub7k]

here it is in hot bath