Can ANYONE name the poison Eagle 20 with the active ingredient Myclobutanil??

[Neo 420]

Bro Science has never meant a damn thing to me.... You wanna grow plants like me

PM is a the biggest joke...Ive gotten it once ever and never had it again....step up your game...none of you posted the right shit...here you go...damn I miss Spurr...

Jedi Circle is getting smaller and smaller

http://marronebioinnovations.com/pdf/regalia_tomato_techsheet-west.pdf

http://toptropicals.com/html/toptropicals/articles/cultivation/cirkon.htm

http://www.southernorganicsandsuppl...sandsupply.com/Documents/ODC Labelnew6811.pdf

http://www.jazsprays.com/About-JAZ-Products_ep_7.html

Seems like you are posting links to SAR inducers.... Which one of these products do use?

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

I wanted to point out that the application of heat (such as lighter when smoking) to the product that may contain know carcinogins may alter chemical make-up of the said carcinogins before they are ingested.

So, this skews any data that was consumed orally. May even make it moot.

minds_I

 

[Weird]

Hello all,

I wanted to point out that the application of heat (such as lighter when smoking) to the product that may contain know carcinogins may alter chemical make-up of the said carcinogins before they are ingested.

So, this skews any data that was consumed orally. May even make it moot.

minds_I

be nice if that were a safe assumption however using cigarettes as an example the carcinogenic properties of chemicals added to cigarettes are not lost through combustion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cigarette_smoke_carcinogens

 

[332359]

This is just one reason to give growers as a whole a bad name. You can show as much proof as you need and it'll never change their minds. They will make it alright in their minds. I've talked with growers in my area about chemicals like this and no one cares. They don't change. They smoke the poisons so why can't their clients smoke it too. Most of the food that people eat contains bad things. No one cares. Everything is bad. Cell phones are bad for little kids but most parents don't care. There are poisons everywhere. Its normal in today's world. Its frustration but its life.

The only way that I see change is for the bigger growers in these communities set the example. It wont happen because most bigger growers are more concerned with profits. Its not a crazy change, it just takes a little more work. A lot of big growers don't realize they have an impact on growing cannabis. They have their little fan base and it can go to some of their heads. They don't want to know the truth. They know everything alredy. Its a sad place to be. That is the legacy that they want to leave behind. The internet hurts and helps cannabis. If the internet didn't exist most people who use these chemicals wouldn't know about them and we would be safer. The thing that sucks is that I can't smoke a lot of friends product because of all the hormones and poisons. Ill have to grow for myself to be safe. That sucks. Imagine thy everytime you smoke with someone you have to ask what was put into it. Funny thing is that they are going to lie right to your face. Can we even send buds to any lab in the USA to test for everything in Eagle20? It is even possible? If so how much would it cost?

 

[SeaMaiden]

I can't tell you how many growers have told me that the care I take with my girls is a moot point and doesn't matter. To ME it matters, to ME.

 

[Weird]

I can't tell you how many growers have told me that the care I take with my girls is a moot point and doesn't matter. To ME it matters, to ME.

sounds like you dont know the right people

almost everyone I know who has been throwing down well before ti became legal did it first and foremost for the the passion, they wan the best meds period for themselves and their patients and years of dedication and sacrifice have been spent in the re;relentless pursuit of achieving that goal

the risk reward ratio wasn't as favorable as other crimes with the same potential punishment

now, and predominantly in "legal" markets the "gold rush" kiddies are hot and heavy for custy bucks

nothing more

nothing less

and this here in is where the problem lies

 

[accessndx]

be nice if that were a safe assumption however using cigarettes as an example the carcinogenic properties of chemicals added to cigarettes are not lost through combustion

Cigarettes in fact contain radioactive particles that contribute mostly to the mutagentic properties.

While cigarette smoke is not an obvious source of radiation exposure, it contains small amounts of radioactive materials which smokers bring into their lungs as they inhale. The radioactive particles lodge in lung tissue and over time contribute a huge radiation dose. Radioactivity may be one of the key factors in lung cancer among smokers.

http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb00/sources/tobacco.html

It's hard to pick on one specific factor in cigarette smoke that is the acual black hat bad guy considering there's so much nonsense in it that's bad.

That being said, I still maintain there's a better way to use Eagle.
I'm not going to argue that it's healthy for you, or even that it's safe. It clearly contains chemicals that can be carcinogenic, mutagenic, teratogenic and a whole host of other "-ics". I feel personally that using that as a way to eliminate PM, and then growing a few generations of plants before flowering out is acceptable. Furthermore, I don't provide anything to "patients". I consume everything I grow. The PM was screwing up my lungs and giving me respiratory ailments. I spent an unacceptable amount of time attempting to control something that was compromising my health. I used Eagle 20 1x.
I'm never happy to use a 'final solution' chemical like Avid or Eagle. I don't do so without knowing that I'm applying a potentially harmful agent, and I don't do so without caution, precaution and common sense. Given those circumstances, I feel that it was still a wise decision. I would NOT however spray willy-nilly and continue to do so without taking a considerable amount of time to allow the levels of chemicals to dissapate and eventually eliminate themselves from the plant.

Furthermore, unless you've committed yourself to eating nothing but fruits and vegetables you've grown organically AND you raise your own livestock, don't use cleaning agents or perfumes or colognes, deodorants, etc...you're constantly being exposed to reagents that are potentially carcinogenic, teratogenic, mutagenic, etc. You might as well also stop using the internet and all sorts of electronic nonsense like your bluetooth and wireless remote controls. Every electronic device is bombarding you with countless emissions that can't and will never successfully be tested in collusion with the others in a laboratory setting.

It's unprecedented that in today's world, there's practically not a single individual that isn't exposed to a constant barrage of chemicals from the moment they are born until the moment they die. Never in history has this occurred, and more than likely it's a trend that will not stop in industrialized societies.

 

[Mia]

"A) after 21 days after application flue cured tobacco (heat cured) STILL retained up to 3.5 mg per kg of myclobutanil at up to 90% dissipation"

What study did this come from? I cannot find it.
I am going to apply that metric to the actual real world application rates one might use of these products. That is a much more realistic scenario.
It should also be noted that if this study was using e20 at 20% mycobutanil than spectracide at 1.5% mycobutanil would obviously result in residuals over ten fold smaller. So these things have to be looked at very carefully. I'm not sure how useful that info really is, especially considering the fact that it is not an "apples to apples" comparison in numerous respects(application, timing,etc.)
Nevertheless it is interesting and somewhat useful information but using it as a complete argument is overly simplistic to say the least.

So Weird, what is your opinion of spectracide immunox taking into account it contains no naphthalene and a fraction of the mycobutanil? Or is this not really about science but about ideology? If these tests that have been offered up by more than one person test negative for all of your concerned substances what would be your position then?

It's rather comical to me to hear guys like you and dumbledore say these things while you type on your computer.
Do you have any idea how dirty those things are?
What's YOUR justification for that?

 

[TribalSeeds]

Call the company and aks them if you can spray this shit on your indoor marijuana. They will probably laugh, but try it.

 

[Mia]

That would be worthless.
Why don't you call the secretary of health and ask if marijuana is healthy for you?
Get it?This day in age it's easy enough to find material to support whatever position you want to take....

 

[TribalSeeds]

No, I dont.
If they felt their product was safe to be used indoors they would market it that way.
Get it?

 

[Mia]

E20 is used on some food crops.
Mycobutanil, it's active ingredient, is used on all kinds of food crops.
You are an idiot if you thing dow sciences is going to spend millions of dollars going through the motions to specifically get a product approved for a federally illicit drug?
You're asking for the impossible there buddy.

 

[TribalSeeds]

No, but there are other indoor crops. Look at all the other products that are safe to be used indoors. They arent made for marijuana.
Calling the secretary would do nothing, it would just be some idiots opinion. Calling the company that makes the product would be getting the info straight from the horses mouth. If you chose to spray after the company who makes the product tells you not to, then you have problems.

 

[krunchbubble]

Call the company and aks them if you can spray this shit on your indoor marijuana. They will probably laugh, but try it.

No, I dont.
If they felt their product was safe to be used indoors they would market it that way.
Get it?

No, but there are other indoor crops. Look at all the other products that are safe to be used indoors. They arent made for marijuana.
Calling the secretary would do nothing, it would just be some idiots opinion. Calling the company that makes the product would be getting the info straight from the horses mouth. If you chose to spray after the company who makes the product tells you not to, then you have problems.

Why don't YOU call them? Or better yet Email them, I did...

They say Its NOT recommended for tobacco or marijuana because, It Has NOT Been Tested on them....

 

[TribalSeeds]

I dont need to call them. Ive read the threads
I also wouldnt use the shit!
A lot of you grow to sell so you dont care about the weed. I grow because I dont want to buy my weed from people like ya'll!

did you ask about indoor tobacco?
Im pretty sure they would have told you not to even think of spraying that shit in your home
peace

 

[Mia]

Ask and you shall receive.
What is your complaint going to be now?
http://www.spectracide.com/Products-and-Solutions/Immunox/Spectracide-Immunox-Multi-Purpose-Fungicide.aspx

 

[krunchbubble]

I dont need to call them. Ive read the threads
I also wouldnt use the shit!
A lot of you grow to sell so you dont care about the weed. I grow because I dont want to buy my weed from people like ya'll!

REALLY? REALLY?

You DON'T call because you read the threads, relying on people opinions and jaded truths?

You would rather NOT call the company it self and get information direct from the source?

So Ass Backwards its ridiculous.....

 

[TribalSeeds]

REALLY? REALLY?

You DON'T call because you read the threads, relying on people opinions and jaded truths?

You would rather NOT call the company it self and get information direct from the source?

So Ass Backwards its ridiculous.....

Theres no reason for me to call Kate Upton either cuz shes not gonna sleep with me anyway. Just like Im not going to use Eagle20 because I dont need it. Ive never had problems with PM and if I did Im sure I would be able to figure something out liek everyone else who doesnt use Eagle20. So, its not backwards, its just pointless. I know you didnt ask about indoor tobacco, if you had they would have laughed at you for thinking about spraying this inside. You might use it in a warehouse, and all contaminated materials are handled properly, but some of these people who look up to you spray that shit in their homes with their wife and kids in the next room and then clean this stuff up in their sink.
Peace

 

[Mia]

Cool so you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to add....
Just so we're clear...
By the way, I gave you what you wanted in that link, why do you ignore it, and why no thank you?

 

[TribalSeeds]

Cool so you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to add....
Just so we're clear...
By the way, I gave you what you wanted in that link, why do you ignore it, and why no thank you?

I suggested anyone who is thinking of using this call the company and not rely on the internet. Thats why I put the Smiley, but didnt think id have to spell it all out.
Are you talking about the spectracide link? I didnt look at it. I dont think were talking about spectracide and they dont appear to have much more in common except that spectracide uses less of ONE of the hazardous materials in Eagle20.

Anyhow, when you go to buy your food Im sure you will not be buying from someone who openly admits to using hazardous chemicals in a way that hasnt been tested & against the mfg suggestions. Thats the way I look at it anyway. Your logic may vary