Hazed starting over! Time to convert? Help!

[Arminius]

I think I read st, tsomething like "AMPS 6.0 / 9.5 ? I took this to mean, the 9.5 is max and was guessing that was at the strike?

The two different numbers should represent 110/220 amp rating.

 

[Hazed]

Can you get to the middle of that circle if you need to. Might be helpful to have a access port to do training and trimming. Or to replace a bulb or fan.

Have you flipped them yet. Smells like money.

Well that screen is just sitting on the pots, I thought about hanging it from the ceiling, but would be no easy task in this little shed, with the way the roof is shaped.
I can reach the bulb, I can reach every square inch, and also reach over the top and get to the tops of the plants.
The PVC at the bottom holds the shape pretty good and there is enough space to slip a box fan underneath. Im hoping it will ok for this grow, and hopefully you guys will help me with ideas to build the new room better. The new rooms will have a 10' ceiling so life will be good!

I have 4 plants I was planning to add in the next few hours, and was thinking maybe I better go ahead and flip things to bloom. I have no clue what these bitches will do in stretch,lol.

So far there is 3 New York Diesel, couple Hindu Kush, and one THC Bomb.

The two different numbers should represent 110/220 amp rating.

Well that makes sense! I need some old fart glasses so I can see up close! Thanks for setting me straight. Stick around, this might get interesting,lol.

Slept the hot afternoon away and am goin after it now! I should have some pics up around breakfast time. Thanks guys...Hazed

 

[Mister_D]

Hazed - Here's those coco recipes I said i'd put up for ya.

Conni - 5ml A + 5ml B per gal. Fed every watering clone til final flush

Jacks - 2g per gal of each 5-12-26 and cal nit.
Fed every watering clone til final flush

 

[Hazed]

Well "Breakfast time" kinda came and went! Discovered a pretty bad light leak from underneath and will head to Home De Pot tomorrow and see if there is something cheap I can cover the floor with.
No clue how these girls will do, gotta remember some of them were just potted up from stadium cups,lol.

Hazed - Here's those coco recipes I said i'd put up for ya.

Conni - 5ml A + 5ml B per gal. Fed every watering clone til final flush

Jacks - 2g per gal of each 5-12-26 and cal nit.
Fed every watering clone til final flush

Thank you, I appreciate it Mr_D,
I will start out with the Conni! Should be nice not having to mix an arm load of sht every watering. Been wanting to experiment and see how it works with my aero nozzles after sitting in a reservoir for a week anyway.
I don't have the Jacks hydro fert, I got the General purpose 20-20-20 and the Blossom Booster 10-30-20. im sure the BB could work with some of that calcium nitrate though.

Guess we will see what fate brings. Might go to a night shift job and start my cert classes next week,lol. This old fart is gonna be hurtin, but having some cash around will make it worth while.
Thanks...Hazed

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Well "Breakfast time" kinda came and went! Discovered a pretty bad light leak from underneath and will head to Home De Pot tomorrow and see if there is something cheap I can cover the floor with.

If it is along the bottom of the walls just shovel a little sand around the outside.

 

[Mister_D]

Hazed - You might try the 20-20-20 @ 1 tablespoon per 5 gals. Every watering clone til flush. This might be a bit strong for coco so check your EC and water it down if necessary. This is an old timer recipe for promix, but the profile looks like it should work fine for coco also. Kind of sits right between h3ad's recipe and the lucas formula.

 

[Hazed]

If it is along the bottom of the walls just shovel a little sand around the outside.

Thanks that's a great idea! I will see what I can do first thing in the morning!

Hazed - You might try the 20-20-20 @ 1 tablespoon per 5 gals. Every watering clone til flush. This might be a bit strong for coco so check your EC and water it down if necessary. This is an old timer recipe for promix, but the profile looks like it should work fine for coco also. Kind of sits right between h3ad's recipe and the lucas formula.

Thank you Mr_D! I will try it out on a couple of veg plants, then go from there.

 

[Hazed]

Well the plants finally started drinking again, so I switched to 12/12 yesterday.
The first night I had them in a ring (a week ago) a couple plants started wilting a little. I am thinking because they were packed in so tight under that veg light, maybe it took a while for the lower leaves to get used to direct light?
Anyway, they are taking the full 1k from a MH, and I will be switching to HPS in the hood and the bare bulb later tonight.

Added a few pics to the "starting over" album. Those praying mantis have almost doubled in size in one week, crazy.

Let me know if you guys see me screwin up here, thanks...Hazed

P.S. I added a fan under the cage, and raised the bulb about 4" after I took this pic.
I will take another pic after I have changed bulbs and have them horizontal girls horizontal!

 

[DHF]

Rule of thumb`s always been to keep the tips of bare bulbs even with the tops of the plants until complete end of stretch Bro...then....

Once they`re in full swellage mode , drop the bulbs down where the mogul socket is even with the tops of the plants till end of cycle.....

Good luck...DHF...........

 

[Mister_D]

Freds is right about the bulb, but it depends on your goals too. Looks to me like those plants could use some bushing out before the flip or even during stretch if you are dead set on them staying flipped. I would raise the bulb til the middle of the bulb is even with the top of the plants during the stretch. This will encourage more bushing and less vertical stretch, but again this is a personal choice based on the goals of the grower. Would like to see how the mantis are getting along

 

[DHF]

Freds is right about the bulb, but it depends on your goals too. Looks to me like those plants could use some bushing out before the flip or even during stretch if you are dead set on them staying flipped. I would raise the bulb til the middle of the bulb is even with the top of the plants during the stretch. This will encourage more bushing and less vertical stretch, but again this is a personal choice based on the goals of the grower. Would like to see how the mantis are getting along

I`m proud to have such knowledgeable help and spot on info from a different perspective.......and yeah....

Makes total sense with those smaller plants , and as a rule the plants usually bush out toward the bare bulbs regardless.....but in what time frame is a different story , as well as not gettin too close to each other and choke each plant out for light and environment.....

Ahhhh......The path to Nirvana......a long and bumpy road.......but....

Done more easily with dedication and medication......

Hazed.....We`re here for yas my buddy....Gonna make yas a rock star......Just watch yer 6 and stay safe.....

Peace.....Freds........

 

[catalyte]

yeah those plants need some foliar spraying with Cal-Mag twice a week with a surfactant... if ya can't afford it, just use a tiny drop per Liter or 2. of basic dish soap.. helps the water stay on the surface of the leaves and get absorbed. Has a slight anti pest effect too!

i wanna see this take off too!!

 

[Hazed]

Freds is right about the bulb, but it depends on your goals too. Looks to me like those plants could use some bushing out before the flip or even during stretch if you are dead set on them staying flipped. I would raise the bulb til the middle of the bulb is even with the top of the plants during the stretch. This will encourage more bushing and less vertical stretch, but again this is a personal choice based on the goals of the grower. Would like to see how the mantis are getting along

Hey Mister_D,
Im sure you noticed the plants arent exactly trained to perfection,lol. You got me thinkin, I should just concentrate the middle of that bulb at the tops of them two tallest plants and maybe hope the shorter girls will stretch up and even out the whole grow a little better!
Let me know if I'm not on the same page!
Fantastic being able to just post up a thread and get help from all you experienced growers!

Counted 6 mantis the other night! Take a look at my "Starting over" album, and there is a new pic near the top, that bug has grown about a half inch this week.
She likes that Sativa Pheno THC Bomb, picked her off and set her on another plant the other day so she wouldnt get smashed while I was working on the plant, and she flew right back to it.
Dont normally mist plants that much, but do it daily now just to watch them mantis get a drink, pretty cool little bugs, and damned near the only bugs now other than the wasps.

I`m proud to have such knowledgeable help and spot on info from a different perspective.......and yeah....

Makes total sense with those smaller plants , and as a rule the plants usually bush out toward the bare bulbs regardless.....but in what time frame is a different story , as well as not gettin too close to each other and choke each plant out for light and environment.....

Ahhhh......The path to Nirvana......a long and bumpy road.......but....

Done more easily with dedication and medication......

Hazed.....We`re here for yas my buddy....Gonna make yas a rock star......Just watch yer 6 and stay safe.....

Peace.....Freds........

Lol, I think the wolves will be watchin my 6 if I dont get these bitches bloomin.
They actually got some new neighbors stuck to a scrog, and they also could use a few days to perk up and get with the program. I agree it would be a good idea to run veg schedule a few more days to get them all off to a better start.
Gotta remember, some of these plants were in stadium cups just 10 days ago.

When I potted up to 3 gallon, I took them plants and ran em up and down like a toilet bowl plunger in a 5 gallon bucket of straight water, then poured some nice 600ppm goodies around the edges in the fresh pots to reward them if they ever get there, lol.
Thanks for the kind words and great advice. I got so much air flow in that room (learned from you) I cranked the fans the other day and the vacuum sucked all the duct tape out of the light leaks I had patched,lol. went back with a caulking gun on the outside and have things under control for now, take care friend!

yeah those plants need some foliar spraying with Cal-Mag twice a week with a surfactant... if ya can't afford it, just use a tiny drop per Liter or 2. of basic dish soap.. helps the water stay on the surface of the leaves and get absorbed. Has a slight anti pest effect too!

i wanna see this take off too!!

Hi Mr.CleanCut, Can I use GH Cal Mag for foliar? If so, how much per gallon?
I dont see anything in the directions about dosage for foliar.
Oh yeah, I definitely want to see these plants take off soon. Please let me know if I can use that GH and if ya know the dose I should be using,
Hey well get this grow rollin, appreciate the help thanks for stopin in man, don't be a stranger!

Here is a few pics of the flat grow, had to put that 7 gal bomb mama in there so I can go back to using the 600mh and shop lights for the veggers and clones.

 

[Hazed]

Mister_D, Heres that pic of the mantis, so you dont have to go digging through that mess.

 

[Mister_D]

Sounds like you've got the right idea. I'd definitely veg for at least a few days longer though. Thanks for the picture of the mantis also

 

[catalyte]

i don't know the dosage rate. Although starting at about 500ppm is good. Then every week you can add 150ppm until about 1000ppm from experience... i used grotek's 2-0-0 Cal Mag and it's 5mL per Liter

 

[Hazed]

i don't know the dosage rate. Although starting at about 500ppm is good. Then every week you can add 150ppm until about 1000ppm from experience... i used grotek's 2-0-0 Cal Mag and it's 5mL per Liter

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mr.CleanCut again

Ah, I googled that Grotek Cal Max? Thats just what I have been looking for local, but we dont have much for hydro stores around here.

The GH Cal-mag I have, smells just like a fuckin drunk puked in the bottle, it contains "fermented molasses and other sugars".
So I was gettin kinda scared when I mistakenly thought you were tellin me to spray my plants with that sht , lol, I hope you see the humor!

The Grotek calcium looks like good stuff. Water at our new place is PH 5.8-5.9 so Im guessing the additional magnesium wouldn't hurt either.
Have you tried the other growtek products with coco/hydro as well? If so I would appreciate if you would tell me which products you liked the best, if you have the time.

Hey guys, you wouldn't believe how them plants perked up just overnight. Even the one smashed under the "Hog Wire" Ahem, shes heading for the light!

I have a couple big Pineapple Kush. I have never been able to get that strain to produce.
The 2 phenos I have, produce weak sickly looking nodes that fade out as the plant grows taller. I have even tried topping and just cropping the top 12" and ended up with a qtr oz of pineappley schwag off a healthy looking 3' plant.
If anyone knows the secret to getting any kind of production of decent herb outta these Pineapple Kush bitches, let me know, otherwise they are going outdoors and Maw Nature can deal with them.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Not sure if this is what your after, but I some times pluck fan leaves on the faster growing stretchy plants. This will make the plant fill in more. I would not recommend doing this to a plant that tends to bush out as it will be to bushy. If you do this you will end up with more tops which will be bigger buds then if you let the inner most buds flower.

 

[Hazed]

Thats a great idea IC! I do use that method when I want to slow the stretch on a plant.

Got me thinkin, and I wonder how them bitches would like being completely defoliated.
I have a couple clones of those PK's, Im going to use the defoliation method aggressively on them and we will see how they look in about 4 weeks.
Runnin vert and blasting those nodes with a bare bulb might help improve the crop too. Or even a SOG.
Or maybe I just got a couple of piss poor phenos?
Well the new bloom room got 16 hrs of light before the heat shut it down today. The plants seem to be adapting to they're new environment.

 

[Hazed]

Well I figure about the time these girls are getting nice and plump, the weather will be getting cold. When the weather gets cold, the bugs head for a warm spot...

I was thinking about a cover spray for mites, I have Azamax, Bayer, and Floramite. Not sure how long the Azamax hangs in there, but Im thinking it would be the safest alternative. I figure on grabbing a couple mantis outta veg and adding them to the bloom about a week after the spray.
From what I read the other day, Mantis will eat spider mites, no clue how they get a hold of the little pricks. Maybe they lick em off the leaves, lol, dunno.
Here is a pic of my growbuddy, she is the only one who doesn't hesitate to crawl onto my hand. One of the others has a down right nasty disposition, starts making that hissing noise when I just get near it, lol.

Kind of wonder if 12/12 will get these mantis in the egg case building mood!