Told gun seller Im a card holder, big mistake?

[944s2]

hiya all, to op, i really admire your honesty and trying to do the right thing, it will be sad and very frustrating if your punished for being honest,i know thats a bit idealistic and the nature of "our thing" calls for us to use stealth and to sometimes be economical with the truth but i still respect the fact you were honest, and tried to do the right thing, good luck, peace and safe growing s2

 

[stasis]

A Sheriff warned an Em-Tri Commercial Grower that I knew - the following info:

"We have no problem with you - but FYI, don't have Guns on the property you are growing at, or else it will go MUCH worse for you if anyone decides to prosecute. "

One neighbor complaining...... It Happens, Guys.... Envy, Pets causing probs, lawn too long..? Some Crotchety Oldster Local who's against pot, an argument with the Shrieking GF in the Driveway at 1130pm..? One phone call..

Later, after I no longer was associated with "Said Grower...." One Late September Day, due to His poor judgement (having 50+ "Emergency" trimmers arrive at the same time, in 50+ vehicles after a rain had threatened his crop - bad idea), several neighbors called in, and he was raided. He had no weapons. He is long since free of legal problems relatiing to that situation. Sure, it costed him, but it could have been much worse..

HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT... I MAY BREAK DOWN AND PURCHASE SOMETHING -
BECAUSE OF SOCIETAL CHANGES. NOT SO MUCH TO PROTECT POT.

But, knock on wood - I have had no need for projectile weapons.

We (like you) stay close to the Babies from Late Aug-Harvest time. Leaving rarely..
This is de Rigeur, right...? Take nice "Afternoon Siestas" and stay up late into the morning, doing productive things..

No one wants to get picked-off, so no one takes the chances.
Everyones' Packin' Right...? Wanna gamble, in the Country..?
Ya got to be pretty Tweaked to try that around here. Then, those Folks are easily scared.

'Nuff Respect Brothers, and Sisters. Just Conversin'. Buena Suerte this Summer...!!

 

[armedoldhippy]

Not trying to hijack the thread but haven't you thought of maybe not owning a gun like most of the rest of the world?

most of the rest of the world don't have the means to tell their govt to "go suck a hard one" if things go all to hell. free men in this country do. have you thought about moving to England & becoming a defenseless victim?

 

[Yes4Prop215]

yea well said statis.....im not too worried sometimes about having to use my firearm to defend my crop. i carry the 45 sometimes while walking around just in case of bears because they have already raided my trash and knocked down fencing in one area so i know they are out there......but mostly i like owning a firearm due to "societal changes"...aka event of extreme emergency including natural disaster to protect property, and in worst case scenario to protect against a rouge government that tries to take the 2nd amendment away...


thats what i love about my northern property in 530...if the cops ever tried to come up my road and take peoples rights to bear arms there will fire fights lasting all summer......being surrounded by like minded 2nd amendmet supporters is an awesome feeling. cant say the same about being trapped in an urban city where most people are unarmed and will panic when SHTF, and the only ones with weapons are the thugs and looters...good luck living in a place like new york or san fran during the next disaster...i will be up in the mountains smoking a fat doobie with my feet kicked up and my ar15 by my side..

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I try and get this across to everyone I know. With damn near a generation of people in California thinking that mmj is "legal", it is no wonder that most of the younger people aren't too discrete. My girlfriend is constantly telling me about growers at the yoga studio swapping information and bullshitting about their crops. Scares the beejeesus out of me.

jesus h christ. that is beyond non discreet. that is down right naive and foolish. lol. Just asking for a visit from rippers or LEO.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

The guns aren't the problem, they're a tool.
It's the dipshit people like idiot from Co. that are the problem and that is something you can never get rid of.

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_van_uhm_why_i_chose_a_gun.html

Actually most of the rest of the world does own a gun and it is a good thing. Ask my great grandparents. oh wait you cant Hitler made them register as jews, took their guns, and then rounded them up and murdered them.

See guns are not the issue. Lack of education is the issue. just look at the Swiss. They issue an automatic rifle to every adult and make them train in militia. They have the lowest gun crime rate in the world. They are also the most educated country in the world.

Then look at certain African countries. everyone has an ak but cant really even read. Violence is through the roof. so blame dumb people not guns. They will do the same thing if you give them machetes. People committed genocide in Rwanda with mostly just machetes.

 

[Grass Lands]

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/kennesaw-georgia-where-gun-ownership-is-mandatory-and-crime-approaches-zero_072012

What more proof do you need that an armed society is a peaceful and law abiding society?

Yes, dear anti-gunners, it really is possible to have a city where residents are allowed (or required) to owns guns AND still have a low crime rate.

Exhibit A: Kennesaw, GA – a city that has made it mandatory for the head of a household to own a firearm, yet maintains the lowest crime rate in one of the most populace counties in Georgia.

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_van_uhm_why_i_chose_a_gun.html

Actually most of the rest of the world does own a gun and it is a good thing. Ask my great grandparents. oh wait you cant Hitler made them register as jews, took their guns, and then rounded them up and murdered them.

See guns are not the issue. Lack of education is the issue. just look at the Swiss. They issue an automatic rifle to every adult and make them train in militia. They have the lowest gun crime rate in the world. They are also the most educated country in the world.

Then look at certain African countries. everyone has an ak but cant really even read. Violence is through the roof. so blame dumb people not guns. They will do the same thing if you give them machetes. People commuted genocide in Rwanda with mostly just machetes.

The society as a whole has a lot more to do with it than people want to admit. the swiss stay out of wars, and we spent most of the last century stuck in them. Even though they are not on our soil, so nobody really even thinks about it.

 

[MrGreenWeed]

Honestly, I don't believe you are lying. I'm just amazed that a gun dealer would say that.

 

[MrGreenWeed]

You know what OrganicBuds? I apologize for some of the things I said.

I'm in a political mode right now and I just absolutely hate both extremes. I do believe by your words that you are very right-winged, for whatever reasons. But I had no right to attack you like I did, I should of just continued the conversation we were having here and in PM's with a little more understanding. I have no idea why you believe what you do and frankly it's none of my business. We can agree to disagree on the threat on the 2nd amendment and others issues that we surely will disagree on and still be brothers in grow.

I'll be sure to post newer pics soon as my girls have mainly healed up and are flowering like they are on steroids. Peace

 

[MrGreenWeed]

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_van_uhm_why_i_chose_a_gun.html

Actually most of the rest of the world does own a gun and it is a good thing. Ask my great grandparents. oh wait you cant Hitler made them register as jews, took their guns, and then rounded them up and murdered them.

See guns are not the issue. Lack of education is the issue. just look at the Swiss. They issue an automatic rifle to every adult and make them train in militia. They have the lowest gun crime rate in the world. They are also the most educated country in the world.

Then look at certain African countries. everyone has an ak but cant really even read. Violence is through the roof. so blame dumb people not guns. They will do the same thing if you give them machetes. People commuted genocide in Rwanda with mostly just machetes.

I agree with all that.

If you really look at the true gun deaths stats here in the states it's not as crazy as it seems.
Over 50%, near 60% of all gun deaths are suicides. This fact cannot go toward the gun control argument because it was their choice to die and if they didn't have access to a gun they most likely would of found another method.
About 8% are ruled accidental, one could argue against guns on this but really it's just Darwin's theory at work.
Another 8% are labeled justified, I imagine police kills and self-defense events.
That leaves about 30% of the total of all gun deaths are homicides. Fairly low percentage and actual numbers for a nation with over 350,000,000+ firearms amongst the citizens and over 320,000,000+ population.
Gang murders represent more then half of that 30%, so in reality that leaves around 10-15% of all gun deaths are homicides committed by us civilians.
I'm not saying it isn't a problem, but the numbers are not as bad as the media and politicians make them out to be.
Even with a shit economy and both political sides cutting all kinds of social and business programs and aid, we are maintaining a fairly low rate of violent crime.
I do think the 'stand your ground' type of laws need to go both ways. If some asshole uses the law to murder someone intentionally or recklessly, they need to punished severely. But the message needs to be sent also that these types of laws will remain and grow, and extend into both public and private locations and not just in ones home or car.
I think we have more of a suicide and gang problem then we do a gun problem.


Over 50% of all gun deaths

 

[OrganicBuds]

You know what OrganicBuds? I apologize for some of the things I said.

I'm in a political mode right now and I just absolutely hate both extremes. I do believe by your words that you are very right-winged, for whatever reasons. But I had no right to attack you like I did, I should of just continued the conversation we were having here and in PM's with a little more understanding. I have no idea why you believe what you do and frankly it's none of my business. We can agree to disagree on the threat on the 2nd amendment and others issues that we surely will disagree on and still be brothers in grow.

I'll be sure to post newer pics soon as my girls have mainly healed up and are flowering like they are on steroids. Peace

Glad to hear your plants are kicking some ass. I apologize for flipping my lid as well. Hope your week treats you well.

For the record, I am neither republican nor democrat. I don't believe in the two party system, just like our founders warned us. I do subscribe a "little" more to right wing ideology however. Take care.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

The society as a whole has a lot more to do with it than people want to admit. the swiss stay out of wars, and we spent most of the last century stuck in them. Even though they are not on our soil, so nobody really even thinks about it.

^this is absolutely true. Canada actually has tons of guns too and they are peaceful folks most of the time. America really is this over testosterone loaded warrior culture. I think I maybe should move to Switzerland one day. I love the life style. All I do now is live in the mountains and hike in the summer and ski in the winter. Switzerland would be my heaven. I am not smart enough to live their though. I need to learn two more languages. French and German. Two very different languages.

I really admire the Swiss. They seem to do the impossible. However if their banking industry fails then they are screwed due to lack of natural resources. The one thing they do have is water. The Glacial melt from the alps provides many countries with water. They could trap it. This is temporary though because the glaciers are shrinking away.

 

[still pluggin]

It is incredibly difficult to get a work visa in Switzerland from what I understand. I know an American with no record and a valuable skill who couldn't do it.

I'd move there in a heartbeat, Hash. I just don't offer much that their economy needs.

Except weed.

 

[OrganicBuds]

So anybody still betting gun rights are not in jeopardy of being lost?

http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/27/bombshell-leaked-un-treaty-does-ban-guns/

 

[MrGreenWeed]

So anybody still betting gun rights are not in jeopardy of being lost?

http://theintelhub.com/2012/07/27/bombshell-leaked-un-treaty-does-ban-guns/

Yes. When you show an article written by a right-wing religious lunatic about of our gun rights are near death it gives me much hope that the exact opposite is true.

You need to quit watching and reading Alex Jones material. Infowars and prisonplanet are his sites.

The senate will not ratify this.

Let's make a bet. If the treaty gets voted in, I'll delete my account and never come back. If the treaty fails to pass you delete your account here, never to return.
Now this is a serious bet because that's how much I believe this treaty will not pass.
Will you put your money where your mouth is? Or is it tail between the legs?

I don't want to see you go, and I don't want to go, but I want to really see how dedicated you are to this silly belief that the UN Small Arms Treaty will pass in the senate if it even reaches them.

Bet?

 

[rives]

You aren't getting it Greenweed. None of us expect this shit to get approved immediately. However, as I said earlier, vigilance is mandatory if you want to keep your gun rights long term. The Dems are laying low on things for the moment because it has been proven to be political suicide to pursue it at this time. However, you can be assured that it is an underlying goal, and will be until it is achieved. Take a look at the following link and the cast of players. Most reasonable people wouldn't expect a magazine-capacity law to be built into a cybersecurity bill.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/240657-cybersecurity-bill-includes-gun-control-measure

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

Yes. When you show an article written by a right-wing religious lunatic about of our gun rights are near death it gives me much hope that the exact opposite is true.

You need to quit watching and reading Alex Jones material. Infowars and prisonplanet are his sites.

The senate will not ratify this.

He already signed us up to ACTA without congress. So this wouldn't be the first international treaty he signed us up to without clearing it. Oh, but the admistration called it a "pact", so thats not the same I suppose.....

seperately

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_story_2.html

On March 30, the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

In the meeting, she said, Obama discussed how records get into the system and what can be done about firearms retailers. Her husband specifically brought up the proposed ban on large magazine clips, and she noted that even former vice president Dick Cheney had suggested that some restrictions on the clips might make sense.

“He just laughed,” Sarah Brady said approvingly of the president. Both she and her husband, she emphasized, had absolute confidence that the president was committed to regulation.

This article is from 2011, two months after the Giffords shooting, and before the Fast and Furious gun running program became public knowledge.

 

[Gary Johnson]

Gun Rights

Gun Rights

“The government cannot pick and choose which of our constitutional rights it must uphold. That applies to the Second Amendment and our right to bear arms. It means what it says – and for good reason. Restricting gun rights, whether at the federal, state or local levels, results only in denying rights to law-abiding citizens while leaving criminals and those who would do us harm free to do what they do: Break the law..”

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/guns-rights

 

[Yes4Prop215]

the recent aurora shooting has had gun contol advocates up in arms...on every channel CNN to MSNBC, to celebrities and other know it alls speaking their mind and illustrating how irrationally stupid they are....

here is a good post from a gun owners forum that breaks down the gun control lobby's efforts in the recent wake of the aurora shooting..

"1. the numbers dont lie, for every homicide committed by a firearm in the US, 100 gun owners use their firearms for self defense. Compared to the 1 million+ defensive gun uses in our country, the 10k gun deaths pale in comparisson.

2. many politicians and celebrities have called for an assault weapon ban. they should know the facts before they speak. assault weapons are ALREADY banned, and the ar15 used in aurora was a semi auto (that jammed). ar15s and gun homicides by long rifles only represent a small portion of total gun homicides. the FBI reported 350 rifle deaths out of 9k gun deaths in 2010. Most massacres like ft.hood, vatech, and gabby giffords were committed by your standard semi automatic handgun.

3. Gun control effectively created a situation in that aurora movie theatre, where james holmes was garunteed to have 200+ defenseless, unarmed victims to shoot. it took police 90 seconds to respond, enough time for holmes to commit murder unabated. it truely illustrates the saying "when seconds count, police are minutes away"...are you going to risk your life on the police saving you? or would you like to have the chance to defend yourself? just one person with a license to carry might have saved several lifes. gun control people will argue "no one would have been able to make a clear shot in a dark audience, strays would have hit people"...to this i argue " people who carry concealed are required to pass special training and the scrutiny of their local sheriff, CCW carriers would have been able to make a calculated shot, and even if a stray hit an innocent person, the overall gun deaths would have been less" and to this i add, would you rather have 200 defenseless people with zero chance of defending themselves, or just 1 or 2 people who might have had a percentage chance of saving lives. to say that CCW holders would just kill more people is utter ignorance and basically says you do not wish to have any chance of saving your life or the lives of others.

4. even if every single gun purchase in the US was banned, and the police went door to door confiscating every gun they could, this would not stop gun violence in the US. the war on drugs and other forms of prohibition show that laws do not stop people from breaking them. a total gun ban would create a lucrative black market industry to supply illegal guns to criminals (one that already exists in america). criminals will obtain guns, people will risk time in prison to make profits selling illegal guns. total gun confiscation would basically garuntee that only two classes of people have firearms, police and criminals. This would effectively neuter the american publics ability to overthrow a government of tyrannic nature. Case in point, Myanmar, Syria, Communist China under Mao, where the government gunned down protesters and they were unable to do anything back. This would also create a situation like in Mexico, where cartel members are able to instill fear in an unarmed populace and kill with impunity. There are already 250 million privately owned firearms in america, it would be impossible to confiscate every one and it would be a gross misuse of tax payer money to implement this. This would also create extreme friction between the government and its people, especially the majority of americans who live in pro-gun states.

5. Time and time again, it has been shown that major urban cities that implement strict gun control have the highest rates of illegal gun violence. (Chicago, Oakland, Wash DC, San Francisco) when concealed carry permits go up, crime goes down. when the public is stripped of their right to concealed carry, crime goes up. Criminals actively support gun control because it guarantees their victims will be unarmed."