Skunkman Sam How Does He Do It???

[hades]

Yo kief I think you might be confused...this is 99.9% glandular trichome heads, not 99.9% THC. I could be wrong, but I think that's what they're talking about. It's all the flavor, no filler...IMO the ultimate way to smoke cannabis.

I've got mad respect for Sam, and I hope he reads this....because I still have the letter he sent me almost 10 years ago from Amsterdam of one of John Lydon's scientific articles on UV-B and Cannabis. I couldn't find a copy because it had been printed in the Journal of Phytochemistry and Photobilogy in the 80's or something outrageously similar, my librarians just laughed at me when I asked them to get a copy. I posted about how I couldn't find the article on Overgrow and he actually sent me a photocopied version of his personal copy in the mail.....The return address just says 'Sam' =)

Good on you brother, got myself a copy of Hemp Diseases and Pests and noticed that David Watson was co-author =)

I honestly believe that the method involves a crazy type of screen, maybe even the one that there is a picture of in Clarke's book Hashish!.

Just last week I attempted to find one like that....and it is not easy. I'm not sure if many people have ever actually gotten a screen like that and tried it. I ended up contacting a company that makes custom perforated panels because I couldn't find any already made. They said the cost would be astronomical to make something like that, and that I should take the number I'm thinking it will cost and multiply it x3. They said it's very hard to get them that close together without messing up once and that I'd have to pay to flatten out the panel after the cutting was done. I'm waiting for his response for a quote for a panel just like the picture that is 8"x11" and as thin as he can make it, but am already pretty discouraged.

If it only takes him a few minutes and there's no noise it has to be a screen with another technique involved. Maybe a screen like the one in the picture that has tapered holes? Trichomes of the right size would get stuck in the holes, and anything to small would fall through and anything too big would stay on top....you could then pull out the screen and clean off the top and then knock the trichomes out into their own pile. You could keep refining until you had almost pure 120 micron heads...... That's the route I'm going with, just need to find someone to be able to make custom panels for a reasonable price so I can try a few different kinds....

I'd like to see someone use static electricity to make hash, is there a link of some one doing it that I can read? I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread but have never read of it in any book or seen it actually done.

(EDIT) The more I think of it, the more I'm convinced that what is the heart of the technique is that trichomes heads are round balls, and everything else isn't. There has to be some property of either the resin heads or the chaff that he is exploiting to separate the two. It gotta be the heads being round.....maybe rolling it down a certain type of surface?

 

[blazeoneup]

Yo kief I think you might be confused...this is 99.9% glandular trichome heads, not 99.9% THC. I could be wrong, but I think that's what they're talking about. It's all the flavor, no filler...IMO the ultimate way to smoke cannabis.

I've got mad respect for Sam, and I hope he reads this....because I still have the letter he sent me almost 10 years ago from Amsterdam of one of John Lydon's scientific articles on UV-B and Cannabis. I couldn't find a copy because it had been printed in the Journal of Phytochemistry and Photobilogy in the 80's or something outrageously similar, my librarians just laughed at me when I asked them to get a copy. I posted about how I couldn't find the article on Overgrow and he actually sent me a photocopied version of his personal copy in the mail.....The return address just says 'Sam' =)

Good on you brother, got myself a copy of Hemp Diseases and Pests and noticed that David Watson was co-author =)

I honestly believe that the method involves a crazy type of screen, maybe even the one that there is a picture of in Clarke's book Hashish!.
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Just last week I attempted to find one like that....and it is not easy. I'm not sure if many people have ever actually gotten a screen like that and tried it. I ended up contacting a company that makes custom perforated panels because I couldn't find any already made. They said the cost would be astronomical to make something like that, and that I should take the number I'm thinking it will cost and multiply it x3. They said it's very hard to get them that close together without messing up once and that I'd have to pay to flatten out the panel after the cutting was done. I'm waiting for his response for a quote for a panel just like the picture that is 8"x11" and as thin as he can make it, but am already pretty discouraged.

If it only takes him a few minutes and there's no noise it has to be a screen with another technique involved. Maybe a screen like the one in the picture that has tapered holes? Trichomes of the right size would get stuck in the holes, and anything to small would fall through and anything too big would stay on top....you could then pull out the screen and clean off the top and then knock the trichomes out into their own pile. You could keep refining until you had almost pure 120 micron heads...... That's the route I'm going with, just need to find someone to be able to make custom panels for a reasonable price so I can try a few different kinds....

I'd like to see someone use static electricity to make hash, is there a link of some one doing it that I can read? I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread but have never read of it in any book or seen it actually done.

(EDIT) The more I think of it, the more I'm convinced that what is the heart of the technique is that trichomes heads are round balls, and everything else isn't. There has to be some property of either the resin heads or the chaff that he is exploiting to separate the two. It gotta be the heads being round.....maybe rolling it down a certain type of surface?

Great post I enjoyed it. My only thing with what your saying is Sam says he can do this with any strain. We all know different strains produce different size trichome heads. That alone has me scratching my head with this idea wondering how he is able to do it with different strains which have different size heads.

Thanks for the post and keep us updated if you do get this custom screen and are able to produce anything even close to what sam does.

 

[heady blunts]

here's my first hypothesis: statically charged teflon. you could even chill it.

throw some pretty clean sift on there, roll it around, roll the trichs off it, and wipe the contaminant into the trash. repeat until 99% is achieved.

great thread by the way

 

[Gray Wolf]

GW.....I used to think Sam's method was based on many steps involving re-screening, but he once hinted at that he doesn't use multiple screens...I now guess he uses a much simpler approach, perhaps rough resin is tossed or sprinkled on a "surface" (probably slanted, vertical or the ceiling), the angle of the surface and the material it's made of* helps a low % of pure resin heads to adhere to this surface while the remainder of resin heads and all the contaminant falls to the floor.

*it might be a mesh? or maybe this surface traps contaminant (one side of Velcro?) instead of resin heads adhering or being attracted to a surface?

I also think that it's highly likely that the dry sift is airborne in some way during the process.

I also think that if I keep generalizing and guessing enough, I'm bound to be right! lol

I'm betting you're right about Sam's process not being as complicated as my example. I was actually just scaling up Jump's 100% trichome sample, which clearly exceeds Sam's secret process achieving only 99.9%.

I think Sam has been on top long enough and he needed some competition to push him to achieve perfection.

Good to see Jump belly up to the bar and exceed Sam's benchmark, except of course for scale, and once we work that out, who cares how Sam produces the inferior 99.9%?

 

[jump117]

I honestly believe that the method involves a crazy type of screen, maybe even the one that there is a picture of in Clarke's book Hashish!.
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It is unclear why they made the square-cluster arrangement of the holes, triangular-nesting provides more effective cross-section.

 

[Chamba]

It is unclear why they made the square-cluster arrangement of the holes, triangular-nesting provides more effective cross-section.

Don't you just love ICmag.......there's posters with expert knowledge of all things cannabis and there's also posters who are are experts on other topics. It all adds to your knowledge.

 

[KiefSweat]

that would make sense its not 99.9% thc.
But still leaves me confused to what the actual trichome heads contain.
And if thats the case, I have a technique for removing all the unwanted things in dry sift for the same if not purer end product. But its made in a different way.

 

[Gray Wolf]

that would make sense its not 99.9% thc.
But still leaves me confused to what the actual trichome heads contain.
And if thats the case, I have a technique for removing all the unwanted things in dry sift for the same if not purer end product. But its made in a different way.

What might that process be bro!

 

[KiefSweat]

it involves a solvent wash of sorts to remove the carbon and resin stalks that would leave a residue on a nail. I know Sam's method is claiming to be mechanical.

 

[hades]

It is unclear why they made the square-cluster arrangement of the holes, triangular-nesting provides more effective cross-section.

Hi Jump,

Thanks very much for this bit of info, could you elaborate a little bit so I know what I'm talking about when I try to describe it to someone?

 

[jump117]

Hi hades,

Centers of the holes in the picture located at the vertices of the square,
If they were located at the corners of an equilateral triangle,
number of holes would be larger on same area, thus provide a more effective cross-section.

In the triangular arrangement of holes, the effective cross section of sieve is 15% more than in a square arrangement.

 

[zedd]

it involves a solvent wash of sorts to remove the carbon and resin stalks that would leave a residue on a nail. I know Sam's method is claiming to be mechanical.

Citric acid will dissolve carbonate stalks. Filter and treat it like bubble hash

 

[hades]

Hi hades,

Centers of the holes in the picture located at the vertices of the square,
If they were located at the corners of an equilateral triangle,
number of holes would be larger on same area, thus provide a more effective cross-section.
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Thanks brother! That's exactly what I needed to know, but he was griping about the holes being too close together before in the square arrangement, he might have an aneurism when I show him that =)

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hmmmmmmmm, ran across this on another forum, which didn't credit the original author..............

"The electrostatic collection of the resin spheres from dried marijuana plants with plenty of ripe seeds has been for hundreds of years the method indigenous people of North Africa and Lebanon have used to make hashish.

Obtain a round metal can 8" or so in diameter x 3" or so in depth (the kind that cookies come in) with a smooth lid.

Obtain 2 ounces of dried marijuana with plenty of ripe seeds in the tops. To remove the seeds and stems, sift the marijuana tops through a 10-hole-to-the-inch wire kitchen strainer into the can.

Close the can with the lid and vigorously shake the closed can three or four times. This gives the resin spheres an excess negative charge. Let the can sit for a moment and then remove the lid.

Opposites attract. The negative-charged resin spheres have been attracted to the metal surface of the can and lid which has a positive charge. Take a matchbook cover or credit card and draw the edge across the surface of the lid. Note the collected powder.

Observed under 300X magnification, the collected powder from this "shake" is composed of resin spheres with an occasional non-glandular trichome.

As the marijuana is shaken again and again, and more of the yellow resin spheres are removed from the plant material, the collected powder gradually becomes green-colored as the number of non-glandular trichomes increases in the collected powder. The greener the powder, the less the effect."

 

[smoooth]

Hmmmmmmmm, ran across this on another forum, which didn't credit the original author..............

"The electrostatic collection of the resin spheres from dried marijuana plants with plenty of ripe seeds has been for hundreds of years the method indigenous people of North Africa and Lebanon have used to make hashish.

Obtain a round metal can 8" or so in diameter x 3" or so in depth (the kind that cookies come in) with a smooth lid.

Obtain 2 ounces of dried marijuana with plenty of ripe seeds in the tops. To remove the seeds and stems, sift the marijuana tops through a 10-hole-to-the-inch wire kitchen strainer into the can.

Close the can with the lid and vigorously shake the closed can three or four times. This gives the resin spheres an excess negative charge. Let the can sit for a moment and then remove the lid.

Opposites attract. The negative-charged resin spheres have been attracted to the metal surface of the can and lid which has a positive charge. Take a matchbook cover or credit card and draw the edge across the surface of the lid. Note the collected powder.

Observed under 300X magnification, the collected powder from this "shake" is composed of resin spheres with an occasional non-glandular trichome.

As the marijuana is shaken again and again, and more of the yellow resin spheres are removed from the plant material, the collected powder gradually becomes green-colored as the number of non-glandular trichomes increases in the collected powder. The greener the powder, the less the effect."

Hot diggity damn!!! I need to go try this now.... If only I can find one of those cookie containers.

 

[purple_man]

great post as always GW!

i guess it's time to make some electrostatic crookie monsters cookies...

blessss

 

[Chamba]

Close the can with the lid and vigorously shake the closed can three or four times. This gives the resin spheres an excess negative charge. Let the can sit for a moment and then remove the lid.

I don't know who the author of that article is, but the shaking metal tin idea is written about in R.C. Clarke's "Hashish!"..here's a few excerpts

"The Original Astounder was invented by Brooke J. Ivey and marketed by mail from California in 1974.....an aluminum baking pan with a tight snap on lid... .10 ~ 20 grams of very dry cannabis, hold tightly and shake vigorously for 5 or 10 seconds.......the Original Astounder was the first effective apparatus for making high quality hashish at home that was sold to the public...." and there's a whole page describing how it works.

There's a strong possibility that Sam Skunkman uses this concept or a variation on it for one of the stages of purification of his secret dry sifting method based on the hints dropped over the years (extremely low yields, uses bud that has been dried for 6+ months, relatively simple and fast process etc)

 

[Gray Wolf]

Close the can with the lid and vigorously shake the closed can three or four times. This gives the resin spheres an excess negative charge. Let the can sit for a moment and then remove the lid.

I don't know who the author of that article is, but the shaking metal tin idea is written about in R.C. Clarke's "Hashish!"..here's a few excerpts

"The Original Astounder was invented by Brooke J. Ivey and marketed by mail from California in 1974.....an aluminum baking pan with a tight snap on lid... .10 ~ 20 grams of very dry cannabis, hold tightly and shake vigorously for 5 or 10 seconds.......the Original Astounder was the first effective apparatus for making high quality hashish at home that was sold to the public...." and there's a whole page describing how it works.

There's a strong possibility that Sam Skunkman uses this concept or a variation on it for one of the stages of purification of his secret dry sifting method based on the hints dropped over the years (extremely low yields, uses bud that has been dried for 6+ months, relatively simple and fast process etc)

Good eye bro, and good read on page 333 of my 3-15-98 printing of Hashish.

A good read in general and a wealth of background and information.

 

[Dkgrower]

I used to do that metal box thing many years ago ditten have any polymesh

and it was always very nice hash, its a slow method...

I made the most tastiest marok flavored hash with that metalbox i often tell pepol that story, ohh what a summer it was =)

Then i got some mesh and have been using that since but will fo sure bring out the metalbox and give it a shake

Thanks Graywolf fore bringing that info

 

[Harry Gypsna]

I said plastic tub a few pages back, but maybe it was a biscuit tin..... I had one of those cheap plastic "Hash maker/Polm shaker" gizmos a few years ago, and noticed the resin that got stuck to the lid, was always cleaner than what I collected from below the screen.