U.S. Attorney Breaks Silence on Medical-Marijuana

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Wise up? Really? I'm wise enough to know that a greedy middle man is not needed. If the dispensary is on the up and up...then thats a different story. But I'll bet donuts to dollars 80% or more are crooks taking advantage of a system ripe for then taking.

...and what's your solution? Many people enjoy the dispensary model. You can't take advantage in a open market - dispensaries offer a variety of strains to help people find the meds that work best for them. Also, I don't understand any problem - worst case scenario someone buys weed for recreation, which would happend regardless of med-MJ except in a legal market the city and state sees taxes to help a devastated economy.

 

[Greyskull]

some folks are ignorant herb
and some are stupid and ignorant.
and some think they are really really smart, but they are in reality twisted dumbass not seeing the whole picture and just buying the other lie...

awesomeness....

 

[monkey5]

Hash Zeppelin, "to me the abuse still comes from the government. People should have every right to grow and sell as much weed as they want to. The government is abusing the system not the people. they are just trying to make as best a living as they can doing what they like, and hurting no one. It's called liberty." ~~ Bravo sir, Once again 100% correct! In the presuit of happyness!! Freedom its called!! Thank you for that post!! monkey5

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

i am just regurgitating the ideas of the founding fathers. I just wish more people got it.

 

[Lowman]

...and what's your solution? Many people enjoy the dispensary model. You can't take advantage in a open market - dispensaries offer a variety of strains to help people find the meds that work best for them. Also, I don't understand any problem - worst case scenario someone buys weed for recreation, which would happend regardless of med-MJ except in a legal market the city and state sees taxes to help a devastated economy.

The dispensaries here in MI have been relegated to few and far between lately. We are close to the way it was when the law was passed. Back to patient caregiver relationships. Most caregivers I speak to don't charge $20 or more a gram for meds. There are plenty of folks out there than are willing to help someone that needs a caregiver.

Hopefully when we get our gray areas fixed in our laws we will have a proper setup for dispensaries that will be more like a medical solution with affordable meds instead of street corner party stores that sell weed, which is what we had before the crackdown.

 

[Rouge]

It's so hard to lurk but I gotta get my 2 centivos in.
4 human beings compromising the freedom of thousands if not millions of others! Talk about people that deserves to be black tarred and feathered.
Let me get this straight: the 4 Ag's in Cali decided on their own to crack down on Cannabis? Their boss is Holder, no? He being the one who clandestinely supplied weapons to the murderous Mexican drug cartels. Gee, thanks guys, says Holder, I really need another black eye!
Didn't these 4 Ag's in Cali get the Obama memo. Namely, the feds resources will not be wasted going after sick people consuming Cannabis in those states that allow it. Geez, talk about dissing the BOSS and not reading the fine print or spirit of that memo- Namely, hands off; let the states deal with this issue.
If this is a war against Cali legalization of cannabis in 2012, WHO is Wagner and his prohibitionist lot taking their marching orders from?
The most interesting vote in Cali is not only the legalization one but will Cali vote repulicanista and reject the democrats in the fall largely based on this one issue?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

The dispensaries here in MI have been relegated to few and far between lately. We are close to the way it was when the law was passed. Back to patient caregiver relationships. Most caregivers I speak to don't charge $20 or more a gram for meds. There are plenty of folks out there than are willing to help someone that needs a caregiver.

Hopefully when we get our gray areas fixed in our laws we will have a proper setup for dispensaries that will be more like a medical solution with affordable meds instead of street corner party stores that sell weed, which is what we had before the crackdown.

Why can't their be both? I'm not against caregivers - but to say that should be the only way is a joke. Especially in a state like mine that has a bigger population in Los Angeles than in the entire state of michigan. This isn't a one size fit all application - you can villianize dispensaries all you like - but regardless, there is a need and a demand for variety that no caregiver can ever facilitate. With dispensaries, you see the legitimacy of a legal market, the assurance of quality medication with proper cannabinoid profiles, and a regulated and enforced tax model. If dispensaries were unneeded there would not be so many of them. The only reason I see for people to cast stones on dispensaries are the small time growers and dealers who are more afraid of competition than someone overpaying for mj...

 

[paladin420]

To me this always comes to 'the war on drugs'..two sides in a War,us or them. I may not love all dispensaries,but they are US. when we are divided they win

 

[funker]

First off kudos to this Wagner guy for speaking up. Real talk is good and am glad they got him on the record drawing a distinction between bud and meth.

Second off what is up with people on this board acting like people need to be dying of AIDS or exhibit external symptoms to get a 'legitimate' script? Sucks to read that on this board.

As far as the enforcement goes, when I hear open discussion of the letters at shops about how they're given the opportunity to shut down voluntarily, it seems like the fuzz is pulling punches at least. I am all for standing up for my rights but if LEO sends me a letter giving me a heads up about a future raid, I'm gonna shut down and get going again in two weeks. Kind of like Eddie Murphy talking about how if it'd been a black family in "Amityville Horror" they'd have just gotten the fuck out when the house started talking to them.

So I am absolutely no fan of LEO but imo the situation is a big improvement from where I lived before.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

The dispensaries here in MI have been relegated to few and far between lately. We are close to the way it was when the law was passed. Back to patient caregiver relationships. Most caregivers I speak to don't charge $20 or more a gram for meds. There are plenty of folks out there than are willing to help someone that needs a caregiver.

Hopefully when we get our gray areas fixed in our laws we will have a proper setup for dispensaries that will be more like a medical solution with affordable meds instead of street corner party stores that sell weed, which is what we had before the crackdown.

maybe ill move to MI. i like that, and its how it should be. im sure everyone in cali sin't in it for the money, but when sick people are paying $20 a gram for legal weed, might as well go back to that $1000 bottle of pills the doctor had you on.

a lot of people take advantage of the legal status and use it to sell their weed as they had been when it was 100% illegal. not caring about any patients just want to move that LB of weed for as much as they want.

still not living in cali and still not privy to your laws, and im still wanting to know why legal weed is selling at black market prices if its all about caring for the sick people?

i would rather everyone just had a caregiver who they paid to grow them weed. i wouldn't charge my patients any more than it cost to keep a roof over my head and pay the costs of growing the weed. certainly not gonna be raping sick dying people. i could see if there was insurance paying me, i could see how someone might want to charge an old lady with cancer $400-$600 for an ounce of weed. but this is some old lady who is sick or dying or just wants to enjoy her last few years. im not gonna fuck her by charging her black market prices for weed.

 

[Greyskull]

still not living in cali and still not privy to your laws, and im still wanting to know why legal weed is selling at black market prices if its all about caring for the sick people?

FEDS
they dont care about what the state allows. they only care about what they allow. meds states are just like non med states to the feds, except there are folks doing shit the feds dont like blatantly in front of everyone.

fuck the feds. the feds get out of the picture no one goes to any kind of jail prison tax shit then watch the price drop.

until then..... it is what it is.

you are wrong about buds in dispensaries being sold at "black market" prices.
in shops buds are sold at local area market price. its created by "competiton" errrr choice for the consumer deciding which shop to patronize. more choices the more chance the end user gets a better deal. thats why prices started dropping in california the last 5 years...
and if the current local area market price matches the black market price, then that means theres a shit load of pot around.... and whats to complain about?
you do know pricing in california has dropped off substantially, right? thats a byproduct of a "free" market.

"black market" price is for when someone pays $6k per elbow even though they got a 10pack in a state that has zero tolerance for medicinal use of cannabis. then end user of that kind of transaction is going to be paying a much higher ticket to score their bud...

what is your "idea" of black market price anyways? curious to know exactly where you are coming from.... so we can compare apples to apples.

and btw there was a dispensary in socal call C3 that had a patient whos insurance WAS paying for the guys pot.
Steel (the operator) got to spend something like 9mos in federal custody in la and im pretty sure part of it was they were pissed he was able to get the insurance company to pay for the pot. that and the multiple houses with 20+ lights. and he was suing a city for taking his 12 plants. and so on hahahaha

 

[stihgnobevoli]

by black market prices i meant $60+ for 1/8 oz.

thats what we pay...here...in...not cali.

we aren't cali but we get medicinal qualities bud too. so its not like you guys are paying a premium for the medicinal-ness of it.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

First off kudos to this Wagner guy for speaking up. Real talk is good and am glad they got him on the record drawing a distinction between bud and meth.

Second off what is up with people on this board acting like people need to be dying of AIDS or exhibit external symptoms to get a 'legitimate' script? Sucks to read that on this board.

As far as the enforcement goes, when I hear open discussion of the letters at shops about how they're given the opportunity to shut down voluntarily, it seems like the fuzz is pulling punches at least. I am all for standing up for my rights but if LEO sends me a letter giving me a heads up about a future raid, I'm gonna shut down and get going again in two weeks. Kind of like Eddie Murphy talking about how if it'd been a black family in "Amityville Horror" they'd have just gotten the fuck out when the house started talking to them.

So I am absolutely no fan of LEO but imo the situation is a big improvement from where I lived before.

Ya but it is a civil rights issue. Sending sick people to prison is worse than telling Rosa Parks to get to the back of the bus...... so fuck the feds. stand your ground.

 

[SeaMaiden]

some folks are ignorant herb
and some are stupid and ignorant.
and some think they are really really smart, but they are in reality twisted dumbass not seeing the whole picture and just buying the other lie...

awesomeness....

I now think it's actually worse than that. According to a scientific study, the vast majority of Americans are not only stupid, they're too stupid to know how stupid they really are.

Or something like that...

The United States may be a republic, but it’s democracy that Americans cherish. After all, that’s why we got into Iraq, right? To take out a dictator and spread democracy.


“Government of the people, by the people, for the people.” “One person, one vote.” We are an egalitarian society that treasures the mandate of its citizenry.


But more than a decade’s worth research suggests that the citizenry is too dumb to pick the best leaders.

Work by Cornell University psychologist David Dunning and then-colleague Justin Kruger found that “incompetent people are inherently unable to judge the competence of other people, or the quality of those people’s ideas,” according to a report by Life’s Little Mysteries on the blog LiveScience.


“Very smart ideas are going to be hard for people to adopt, because most people don’t have the sophistication to recognize how good an idea is,” Dunning told Life’s Little Mysteries.


What’s worse is that with incompetence comes the illusion of superiority.
Let’s say a politician comes up with an ingenious plan that would ensure universal health care while decreasing health care costs.


According to Dunning-Kruger, no matter how much information is provided, the unsophisticated would 1) be incapable of recognizing the wisdom of such a plan; 2) assume they know better; and 3) have no idea of the extent of their inadequacy.


In other words, stupid people are too stupid to know how stupid they are.
If this seems elitist to you, you are probably not alone. Maybe we should only let Ph.D.’s, Mensa members and Jeopardy! champions vote? At least require a passing an IQ test before you get to cast a ballot?


The scientists do say that the incompetent can be trained to improve, but only if they acknowledge their own previous lack of skill, which would seem to be a catch-22 since they are too ignorant to do so on their own.


Life’s Little Mysteries said that Mato Nagel, a sociologist in Germany, ran a computer simulation of a democratic election based on Dunning and Kruger’s theories:


“In his mathematical model of the election, he assumed that voters’ own leadership skills were distributed on a bell curve — some were really good leaders, some, really bad, but most were mediocre — and that each voter was incapable of recognizing the leadership skills of a political candidate as being better than his or her own. When such an election was simulated, candidates whose leadership skills were only slightly better than average always won.”


It would appear then that democracy dooms us to mediocrity and misinformed choices. Not exactly encouraging news for the next round of California’s ballot initiatives.

 

[Greyskull]

by black market prices i meant $60+ for 1/8 oz.

almost every shop i have been in had some bud for sale at $60 per 1/8. some even were charging up to 75 per 1/8.
and there were also options for 50 1/8s, 40 1/8s, 35 1/8s, and even 25 1/8s. the pricing tier was based on quality.

to have so many options doesnt seem "black markety" to me. whenever i went to buy a bag on the "black market", i never had a choice. it was the one thing the dude had, or nothing.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

At least require a passing an IQ test before you get to cast a ballot?

I've been saying that for years. GOP party would look so different if they didnt cater to the most foolish ignorant voters.

HOW YAL DOING? I HAD ME CHEEZY GRITS FUR BREAKFAST!!

 

[stihgnobevoli]

I can assure u what u are paying 60 in not Cali is not gonna even come close to the dank that's top shelf and 60 in Cali. ive had all over dank and I hate to say it cuz I'm not from Cali and I know a few people who aren't that can produce medicines equivalent. Cali is in fact and colo the aaa quantity capital. out Cali I would see 5-10 unis at a time of top aaa og. and they were like 3 a clip. try that anywhere else I fuckin dare u lol. and even still the quality ain't gonna be the same.

man you ******'s be blowin the shit out of me. california has the monopoly on well grown weed? are you fucking shitting me? whats so special about california exactly? is it in another dimension outside of time and space where everything is better? the 1000w bulbs acutally put out 20,000 watts of lumens each because of california's proximity to the ocean or something? is the dirt you guys grow in better somehow because of all the earthquakes? does the water magically grow weed without nutes when they do hydro in cali?

are the scissors sharper and thus able to trim buds better? do the jars they cure weed in cali have magic in them to cure buds better than anywhere else?

how the fuck can you grow weed yourself and see how much better properly grown weed is compared to commercial buds then say some silly shit like.

"oh the medicinal weed in cali will blow away any weed anywhere off GP simply because cali."

like really? we still doing this thing... in 2012?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Its the genetics. Head over to san diegos finest - not saying other places don't grow quality it just seems that most of the stuff from elsewhere ain't normally up to par. You ever hear anyone refer to another state quality wise? I never heard of people saying I got that chronic Kansas weed or that stanky Nevada love (OK-maybe I have heard that 2nd one but not what you thinking weed wise hahah). It's just true CA is home to some of the best weed in the world...and there is no debating it.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

i don't doubt for .0000001 microseconds that cali has some of the best weed. thats not my issue. my issue is people saying "rabble rabble rabble rabble... cali weed is the best weed in the universe. no matter what weed you smoked or who grew it and where, it is like smoking a dog turd compared to the shittiest outdoor cali weed....rabble rabble rabble rabble.

and im all like..."come the fuck on son" really? we're still doing that in 2012?

the $60 1/8 i got in not cali is just as great as the $60 1/8 you buy in cali, but in cali it's semi legal, in not cali im going to prison for that 1/8th whereas in cali you get a ticket or nothing at all. so why the prices still so high?

ill take it a step further and name a specific strain. lets say OGK. OGK is clone only and these magical clones can be grown outside of cali right?

so why is my OGK $60 1/8 in not-cali and you are also paying that same price or prolly more in cali?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

i don't doubt for .0000001 microseconds that cali has some of the best weed. thats not my issue. my issue is people saying "rabble rabble rabble rabble... cali weed is the best weed in the universe. no matter what weed you smoked or who grew it and where, it is like smoking a dog turd compared to the shittiest outdoor cali weed....rabble rabble rabble rabble.

and im all like..."come the fuck on son" really? we're still doing that in 2012?

the $60 1/8 i got in not cali is just as great as the $60 1/8 you buy in cali, but in cali it's semi legal, in not cali im going to prison for that 1/8th whereas in cali you get a ticket or nothing at all. so why the prices still so high?

ill take it a step further and name a specific strain. lets say OGK. OGK is clone only and these magical clones can be grown outside of cali right?

so why is my OGK $60 1/8 in not-cali and you are also paying that same price or prolly more in cali?

because its still not legal legal. yeah possession charges for <1oz is down to a infraction - but nothing has changed for cultivation or sales. its funny how people compare dispensaries to black market and ask why the D charges the same... well think about it. Do dealers pay employees? What about lease on a retail building? Or taxes? Advertising? Lawyer on retainer? Security guards? or the 1000 other expenses it cost to run a business rather then simply slang weed out of your house? Its honestly amazing that dispensaries can offer prices at the same as street dealers. and around here most dispensaries are offering 4gram 1/8s for $50 on top shelf...