*The K.I.S.S. Method*

[MaynardG_Krebs]

Hey guys,
I am new to this site and have been just lurking and learning. I am fairly new to growing and still going through the learning curve, although i am having a ton of fun and having plenty of success. i could still use some advice and knowledge from those more experienced than me.

i wanted to try a run with this K.I.S.S. method using tap water and maxibloom. luckily after mixing the nutes with my tap the ph is right on. i should also add this is the first time i ever had to ph my nutrient solution, running all organics previously.

I'm using a 400w hps in a 4x4x6 tent. girls are in 3-5 gallon pots depending on size, filled with roots organic soil. i am a coco guy but was gifted a few seedlings from a friend who was using soil.

i started out feeding them gh's new organic liquid line. And was seeing some deficiencies for N or Mag. tried treating them for both, they bounced back after a week or 2 and became looking very healthy. until the next feeding, new growth looked like it was missing N or Mag so i said forget it. i flushed them pretty good for a week and started using this K.i.s.s. method. they are all around 2 1/2-3ft tall and im going to be flipping them within the next week, just curious to see if there would be an issue from using one nute at the beginning of its life cycle and then switch to just maxi bloom. will it stunt growth at all?

this probably isn't a place i post my own personal issues but being so new i wasn't sure what to do. this thread looked full of experienced growers doing about the same thing as me so i thought i would just ask for some help. thanks in advance.

Yuno.Who

Hey YW, just a couple notes on your post. (and a welcome to the fray) I think it's going to add quite a variable seeing you're in dirt already. Maxibloom is really more of a hydro type of a nute (coco would be much better IMO), but you got what you got. You're going to have to learn how often to feed them the MB and when to just water them with clear water. If you try to 'feed' them every watering, I'd think they'd o.d. and get nute burn etc. Second thing, if those kids are already at 2 1/2 to 3 feet, you better flip em pretty soon or you're gonna run out of head room. You pretty much should count on at least double in height or sometime triple during the 'stretch' period. I don't really think it matters much to switch from one nute source that much... never really done it that much tho. As a matter of fact.. I've yet to try the KISS method.. got a bag of the MB tho.. I'm gonna do a side by side with my slightly modified Lucas method and pure KISS... gonna do the same strain with 2 clones in my normal method and see what the verdict is. Good luck and do keep it simple.

mgk

 

[Yuno.Who]

mgk,
first off i would like to say thank you for the fast response.
i am interested in seeing the results of the side by side run you are doing.
and my mistake i did not clearify much in my post, i do switch from feedings and clear water. i wait for the girls to look sad and hungry and then i give them food. and Yea they are pretty big, and believe it or not there isnt much stretch between nodes. looks like its going to be huge colas....cant wait.

and i don't quite understand the soil comment...im sorry.
so are you saying that the mb is not for soil? but it does work well with coco? if so im glad....im not too fond of the soil grows and use coco with all my girls personally. as long as it works with coco i will be in the clear as i plan on adopting this style and running it until it gives me a reason not to.
hydro on the other hand looks way to confusing and complicated to me, i think being intimidated by the complications of it keeps me away from trying.
i would love to post some pics of the girls so you can get a better idea of what im working with buy my camera at this time really sucks and does not do them any justice.
once again thank you for the advice and fast response.
Yuno.Who
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[Ioni Botani]

mgk,
im not too fond of the soil grows and use coco with all my girls personally. as long as it works with coco i will be in the clear as i plan on adopting this style and running it until it gives me a reason not to.

hydro on the other hand looks way to confusing and complicated to me, i think being intimidated by the complications of it keeps me away from trying.

Yuno.Who
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Heads up, brah!

KISS in Coco IS hydro!!

hydroponics |ˌhīdrəˈpäniks|-
the process of growing plants in sand, gravel, liquid, or any other substrate with added nutrients.

Enjoy!

-Ion1

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

I wanted to post a couple of KISS grows of mine. I use six 5 gallon buckets with a 23 gallon res in an RDWC setup with a 1000w HPS and a 400w CMH bulb hung vertically. I have only been growing as long as I have been on IC so I am no veteran grower and I wanted to simplify as much as I could. MaxiBloom has worked very well for me.

Current grow about two weeks from done.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228069

Previous grow.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=225892

 

[Yuno.Who]

Heads up, brah!

KISS in Coco IS hydro!!

hydroponics |ˌhīdrəˈpäniks|-
the process of growing plants in sand, gravel, liquid, or any other substrate with added nutrients.

Enjoy!

-Ion1

See what im saying.....still going through the learning curve.

 

[firehound]

Maj. Cotton what type ballast does your CMH run on? I have digital mostly. Just curious really.

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Maj. Cotton what type ballast does your CMH run on? I have digital mostly. Just curious really.

CMH only run on mag ballasts, there is a massive CMH thread here http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=72215

 

[phog]

here's some buds grown with maxibloom under 150 watt hps, potent and tasty-

 

[MaynardG_Krebs]

Phog! You get a bigger light and you'll be dangerous! Nice looking nugs.

mgk

 

[phog]

Maynardgkrebs- thanks for the compliment! That plant came out pretty good

 

[Megas]

simple enough?

Do many people using this method use both?

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

Per Evlme2's advice I use an additional 1/4 teaspoon of KoolBloom as a bloom booster at 4 days before the flush starts.

 

[Megas]

Per Evlme2's advice I use an additional 1/4 teaspoon of KoolBloom as a bloom booster at 4 days before the flush starts.

I can't find where he says to use it but I found something else he said which make me curious if there is a point of that

I'm gonna go on record and say that theirs no way in hell that a one time shot of KB will give anyone a 15% yield increase.

I'm not saying you said it will give any % in yield just, it seems odd to do a one time shot will do much? Or are the nutes intended to hold it over during flush? If so why would you not do it for the last feeding?

 

[Maj.Cottonmouth]

I grow in coco so I feed with every water whether in veg or flower, and I water every day.
I use the powder KB the last 4 days before I start my two week end of flower flush.
None of this is bible, it's merely the way it works me. PK boosters are not mandatory (in fact, Lucas doenst call for any) and other brands can be used.
I do know that this Maxibloom recipe works in coco, rockwool, soil and ebb/flo.
Can't help you with the silicate question, I've never used any before...

Here is the quote

 

[Megas]

Here is the quote

I'm just trying to figure out a regiment for hempy method since you don't water every day typically.
So normally it would be 1 teaspoon per gallon of Maxi veg and flower.
For seedlings and clones what do you guys typically find is best? 1/4 teaspoon?

 

[Guest 18340]

For seedlings I ramp up slowly. Start at 1/4 strength, etc.
For clones I give them full strength right from the go, no matter what medium they're in.
Thats the way I do it...
Yup, I still do the 1/4 tsp/gal of powder KB right before harvest. usually for 4-5 days.
By no means is it a magic bullet that increases yield dramatically, but calyx's swell slightly and fox tail a bit.
Again, this is the way i do things and works for me.

 

[Megas]

For seedlings I ramp up slowly. Start at 1/4 strength, etc.
For clones I give them full strength right from the go, no matter what medium they're in.
Thats the way I do it...
Yup, I still do the 1/4 tsp/gal of powder KB right before harvest. usually for 4-5 days.
By no means is it a magic bullet that increases yield dramatically, but calyx's swell slightly and fox tail a bit.
Again, this is the way i do things and works for me.

So its not a one time shot you use it for 4-5 days.
Do you use it ontop of the maxibloom or just Kool bloom by itself before flush?

 

[PuertoviejoKL]

Evlme2 said in a very early post...

'Tis the method I use. 1/2 tsp/gal of powder KB for the last 4 days before final two week flush.
I'm an avid user of the K.I.S.S. method. My whole entire grow, and I mean from seedling 'til end of flower flush, gets 1 tsp/gal of Maxibloom. Period.

 

[Guest 18340]

No, not a one time shot and YES I use it in addition to the Maxibloom.
****Wanted to point out something. The original "tub" of powder KB I had called for 1/4-1/2 tsp/gal. When I ran out and bought the new "puches" I found that GH changed the dosage to just 1/4 tsp/gal.
For me, 1/4 tsp/gal works much better. Less fox tailing.

 

[firehound]

EVLME2 what conv. does your meter run on? I am running MB for first time starting in 12/12. I Have a Cal.TrainWreck puttin off tri-buds on 1 branch... oh yeah! i put pics up not the greatesthonecamera.Also want to say thanks for putiing up so much info with ioni.It really does help I am reading it again just for a time-killer. May the (artificial sun) or (real one) shine well on your garden Firehound