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Ultra Current
It's worth checking out what people are saying here Gnome. I wish you luck.
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Grindhouse Double Hitter! Prophet and BlockHead IBL
- Thread starter the gnome
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jesus man im just trying to help the bro out. stop going over the top of me like i dont know shit. you giving out bad info will keep his broadmite population coming back. "i dont care if the little fuckers are a differnt kind of mite..." good luck with that type of thinking...
like i said. read the broadmite thread. use a mutlitude of sprays n shit to battle these fuckers. they are not to be taken lightly and surely will not just go away after a simple avid dunk.
greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
nobodys going over anybody quit trippin..........its just a SUGGESTION you know that lil thing called freedom of speech? did you forget where your at?just check the fourm your in buddie..........black and red............no disrespect but you dont need to say all the hate bullshit you know what im talkin about.
sorry gnome dudes trippin cuz i throught out a suggestion?
sorry gnome dudes trippin cuz i throught out a suggestion?
greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
ok just looked on the AVID bottle and guess what it kills .......................fucking broad mites well i guess dont listen to me i dont know any thing..............lol.
gnome take all the info in,not just from one person. i got to where im at today from takeing in all info from all sources all different people all differt grow set ups..........
gnome take all the info in,not just from one person. i got to where im at today from takeing in all info from all sources all different people all differt grow set ups..........
my bad for bringin the bad vibes. sorry to the gnome and 707, didnt mean to muck up your thread. for some reason 707's post rubbed me the wrong way. maybe the hard time ive had with broadmites and waking up with a shitty headache, regardless theres no excuse. smokin this one for you guys. no hate, just respect for the squad.
pertaining to broadmites. yes avid kills em but they build up a tolerance fast so its best to rotate the products. just dont want your boy having to deal with em again as hes already lost one crop to em.
pertaining to broadmites. yes avid kills em but they build up a tolerance fast so its best to rotate the products. just dont want your boy having to deal with em again as hes already lost one crop to em.
greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
yes ghostnugz your right, i use a combo of estinstine neem oil a lil in veg , and alil in between useing the avid. havent seen thoes things in years. oh and every time i clean out the mom room or clean up after a run i bomb that room with dr doom shit kills everything ghost try it i sware by my way to keep mites far far away from my sexy girls. gnome and ghostnugz hope all is well and get rid of thoes bastards even if it meen takeing cuts and killin everything that has thoes on them.
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Ultra Current
Gnome anybody who uses a poison like Avid is a lazy piece of shit. Products like Avid and Florimite should only be used as a last resort after everything else fails. That product is a poison and when growers here take these poisons lightly it is very concerning. Chemicals contained in Avid can cause birth defects in humans as well as many other problems including cancer. Dont listen to these fools please. If your really thinkig about this, please read the whole label all the way and maybe youll change your mind:
http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/pdf/labels/SCP896AL6C0409n.pdf
This next piece is taken from here:
http://medealabs.com/cannabis-testing/pesticide-residue-testing/
Our team is well versed in pesticide research. We test each botanical sample for harmful levels of:
AVERMECTIN
Avermectin is the active ingredient in AVID, a potentially hazardous miticide/insecticide. Avermectins occur naturally and are produced by streptomyces avermitilis. However, most commercially available versions are synthetic and kill insects by interfering with their neural and neuromuscular transmissions.
Although manufacturers claim that AVID is only approved for ornamental plants, it is still extensively used in the cultivation of marijuana. Many patients have reportedly become ill from medicine contaminated with AVID.
http://www.syngentaprofessionalproducts.com/pdf/labels/SCP896AL6C0409n.pdf
This next piece is taken from here:
http://medealabs.com/cannabis-testing/pesticide-residue-testing/
Our team is well versed in pesticide research. We test each botanical sample for harmful levels of:
AVERMECTIN
Avermectin is the active ingredient in AVID, a potentially hazardous miticide/insecticide. Avermectins occur naturally and are produced by streptomyces avermitilis. However, most commercially available versions are synthetic and kill insects by interfering with their neural and neuromuscular transmissions.
Although manufacturers claim that AVID is only approved for ornamental plants, it is still extensively used in the cultivation of marijuana. Many patients have reportedly become ill from medicine contaminated with AVID.
daheadies
poppin' outta control
AGREED UC!!!
Gnome buddy- check out mightywash (IF it IS INDEED a bug problem, like someone else said, there are mites out there these days that are a fraction of the size of a normal mite, which you can only see w/ a magnifying glass, unless there are 100's of them clustering together, but that would mean the problem is really really bad).. My local 'major' shop carries it and it works wonders.. multiple friends have gotten rid of bugs recently after having it for years.. its 99.8% and .16% high vibrational water.. sounds like some hippy shit, but it actually works.. decently priced too..
Dunno how I did not see your thread before this.. glad to see u steppin it up w/ Grindhouse. You'll see soon why I'm not on BOG forum any more and just on GH and CSG now..
I snagged a Lemon Stomper after you recommended GGG to me... We will see how that goes, maybe there is a 3rd company out there for me..
UC- Glad to see u over here, and keepin the plants vibes legit by persuading against harmful chemicals.
Gnome buddy- check out mightywash (IF it IS INDEED a bug problem, like someone else said, there are mites out there these days that are a fraction of the size of a normal mite, which you can only see w/ a magnifying glass, unless there are 100's of them clustering together, but that would mean the problem is really really bad).. My local 'major' shop carries it and it works wonders.. multiple friends have gotten rid of bugs recently after having it for years.. its 99.8% and .16% high vibrational water.. sounds like some hippy shit, but it actually works.. decently priced too..
Dunno how I did not see your thread before this.. glad to see u steppin it up w/ Grindhouse. You'll see soon why I'm not on BOG forum any more and just on GH and CSG now..
I snagged a Lemon Stomper after you recommended GGG to me... We will see how that goes, maybe there is a 3rd company out there for me..
UC- Glad to see u over here, and keepin the plants vibes legit by persuading against harmful chemicals.
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seedee
Play nice peoples. Easy check for mites go to RadioShack and get there little 100x micro lens for $15 . Then you can determine if it's insect or fungal. Can see almost down into the cell structure. I am recommending the microscope at radio shack for a cheaper price and the thing works incredible, I actually bought one for checking the cloudiness of my trich.
don't worry nugz, i need all the suggestions and I really pray for broadmites to be the problem, not streak virus, I lost an entire crop in sept and with it went all my keepers, scrambled again from seed got another going in dec
and guess what,
shit started in with that crop also and I'm probably just going to deep six that one
and now I have it starting with this one....its fooking really hard to keep going through this.
Ive posted in the infirmary and other threads since sept and everyone although trying to help keep saying its ph,
its this and that...
but Ive already covered all those bases and streak virus is looking to be the prob
ive yahoo'd an image search on cannabis streak virus and many symptoms are looking nearly identicle.
so ghost... I love ya ma man and hope your right!!
your the 1st one that is confident saying I have it,
seen it
and this is what is!!
the crinkle leaf is just the onset, the new growth points eventually get very pale yellow to white and the leave will taco and
get very thin... is this what yours eventually does?
I will get my 60x scope and check em out asap.
i have NPS, and spectracide, and I love using spinosad.
man I sure hope this is my problem, I'm getting to end of my rope losing crops, keepers etc etc
and close to ttossing in the towel unless i can figure out what it is.
I mean I felt literally ill when i saw this shit starting with my prophets-BH crop ive got going on now
this one has close to 30 plants in with this one with about a 1/3 being grind house gear
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greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
damn a lazy piece of shit? thats a lil rough dont you think?i use avid in a last resort senerio,also for a dip of clones i get from folks so nothing enters the room.
avid=sastemic only for thirty days and its gone.
now if your sprayin during flower you should be burned at the stake. like i said the combo of diping them when there small and then hittin with neem later you cant loose.
u.c i dont know who your directing that to but im just tryin to help a buddie out,if you dont like it oh f-ing well.
avid=sastemic only for thirty days and its gone.
now if your sprayin during flower you should be burned at the stake. like i said the combo of diping them when there small and then hittin with neem later you cant loose.
u.c i dont know who your directing that to but im just tryin to help a buddie out,if you dont like it oh f-ing well.
hey my buddy D
well ya know your the one that got me started on the grind gear last summer telling me about how fookin great your mob boss turned out
I messed the last MB drop by a matter od a week or so
but yeah man! I have hi hopes for my prophets and BHs... if i can beat this damn mystery disease... hoping its just mites!
hey ghost...
thinking on this broadmite thing a bit more I'm not so sure...
if it were mites it seems it would affect the plants at any stage of the game...
my symptoms always start to show after 4-5+ weeks of veg from seed...?
it never affects younger plants, kinda like an incubation period for the virus.
but the plants are moved into differentareas at differing times...
of course Ive never recieved any cuts, or had another person that grows in contact with my plants.
always grown from a breeders seed stock so where would I have picked up the streak virus?
this is driving me nutz
I don't want to get my hopes up too much, Its happened too many times before.
gotta get the scope
thinking on this broadmite thing a bit more I'm not so sure...
if it were mites it seems it would affect the plants at any stage of the game...
my symptoms always start to show after 4-5+ weeks of veg from seed...?
it never affects younger plants, kinda like an incubation period for the virus.
but the plants are moved into differentareas at differing times...
of course Ive never recieved any cuts, or had another person that grows in contact with my plants.
always grown from a breeders seed stock so where would I have picked up the streak virus?
this is driving me nutz
I don't want to get my hopes up too much, Its happened too many times before.
gotta get the scope
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U
Ultra Current
If you really think that the chemicals in Avid only stay in the plant for 30 days then you have a lot to learn. You are not helping people by telling them to spread poisons. Even dipping clones in avid is very bad and that is not a last resort technique. When you get tumors and cancer from that one day dont be mad at me cause i warned you. The residue on the leaves can go away in 30 days but the chemicals can stay in the cells of the plant for much longer. Send some samples to a lab and see what they tell you. When you give your trees to clients and patients that are treated with poisons then you are spreading poisons to those people. If you want to use poisons, use it on crops for yourself only and poison yourself instead of everybody else.
Thousands of people come to IC to learn and we have a duty to safely educate people. You cannot take situations like this lightly and I have a duty to set it right.
The blind continue to lead the blind.
Heres some more info:
AVID
Avid is a mite pesticide developed for ornamentals and Christmas trees. It is systemic which means that it works by lingering around inside the plant for a long time. It may be very affective; however it is not developed for use with any food crops. Furthermore, Avid has been known to cause illness in medical marijuana patients.* It is known to adversely affect animals and fish according to the Manufacturers Warning Label.* This pesticide is very dangerous to work with and be exposed to.* Due to the nature of this you are urged to not use this on your medicine.* No amount of flushing will remove this substance. Below are links to the warnings from the manufacturer, Syngenta. For more info consult the Pesticideinfo.org.
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Syngenta Information on Avid:
Mode of Action
Stimulates the release of Gamma amino butyric acid (GABA), which causes insect paralysis soon after ingestion. Within hours of exposure, feeding and damage to the plant stops, but death may take up to 2-4 days. Different from conventional insecticide/miticides; effectively controls susceptible and resistant mites and leafminers
Handling
Store Avid in a well-ventilated, secure area out of the reach of children and domestic animals. Do not store food, beverages or tobacco products in the storage area. Refrain from eating, drinking, tobacco use, and cosmetic application in areas where there is a potential for exposure to the material. Wash thoroughly with soap and water after handling.
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Residual
The residual effect of AVID is based on the translaminar movement of its active ingredient, abamectin. Following application to the leaf surface, abamectin moves through the cuticle and epidermis and enters the mesophyll layer of leaves. In the mesophyll layer, a reservior of active ingredient forms. Insects that consume the leaves or feed in the mesophyll ingest the saved abamectin. Within hours, they stop feeding and die within two to four days
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here is a pic of what my sep crop, about 2 weeks afetr the onset of crinkle leaf
leaves become very thin, and start to taco
after a month its a wasteland
but in my dec crop, when this started i flushed hoping thesoil may be Ph locked
and UC posted in on my thread and said to repot, maybe root bound.
the damage slowed way down, some were affected much more than other but at the time of repotting I sprayed the tops/undersides of the leaves with pyrithrens.
eventaully neary all were affected and I have chopped about 1/2 down.
some that flowered have puny flowers that are struggling to properly develope
leaves become very thin, and start to taco
after a month its a wasteland
but in my dec crop, when this started i flushed hoping thesoil may be Ph locked
and UC posted in on my thread and said to repot, maybe root bound.
the damage slowed way down, some were affected much more than other but at the time of repotting I sprayed the tops/undersides of the leaves with pyrithrens.
eventaully neary all were affected and I have chopped about 1/2 down.
some that flowered have puny flowers that are struggling to properly develope
yes, i think everyone has made their point, c'mon guys I didn't start my thread to debate avid and other poisons
I need help with my problem and guess what.....
DRUMROLL PLEAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
ITS FUCKING BROADMITES!!!
Y E S!!!!!
GHOSTNUGZ i OWE YOU BIGTIME!!!
greenluv707
pit wisper/ rare strain collector
sweet gnome but man after seein thoes pix im so sorry you have to go through this. ive never seen that befor and had anything that bad, how do the mites do that damage? y does it make the plant taco and look all fucked up? thats is one of the crazyest shit ive seen hope i never come across this. oh and do thoes mites not web after doing that kind of damage?
sorry for all the questions........if you can help ghostnugz and gnome.
ps. man i really feel for you, hope you win this battle gnome were all pullin for you.
sorry for all the questions........if you can help ghostnugz and gnome.
ps. man i really feel for you, hope you win this battle gnome were all pullin for you.
actually i am an extrememly happy Gnome right now, i can kill mites...
streak virus is a totally different animal that has no cure.
hey Ghost, I need your help with this one.
what rae you dong to combat these little suckers?
I have spinosad, spectracide, pyrithrens and I think i have floromits sc.
oh! and no pest strips, those are superb and easy to use!
Ive gotten rid of regular mites with those things!!
Ive been battling a whitefly problem since last summer, and just read in the Bmite thread-in the infirmary that they will hitch a ride onto whiteflys and spread in that manner!
check this out!
streak virus is a totally different animal that has no cure.
hey Ghost, I need your help with this one.
what rae you dong to combat these little suckers?
I have spinosad, spectracide, pyrithrens and I think i have floromits sc.
oh! and no pest strips, those are superb and easy to use!
Ive gotten rid of regular mites with those things!!
Ive been battling a whitefly problem since last summer, and just read in the Bmite thread-in the infirmary that they will hitch a ride onto whiteflys and spread in that manner!
check this out!
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wspman
Member
Gnome, I'm super happy you have mites instead of a virus. That's great news. I don't want to continue the poison debate in your thread but just in case anyone else has mite trouble, I decided to post what worked for me.
Organocide
This is the best stuff I ever used. It's easy to find at Lowe's or Home Depot. It's 100% organic and OMRI listed to prove it. Say's it's safe to use up til day of harvest. All I know is it works. And not just for mites, it kills like 25 different pest, even powdery mildew. Great stuff, give it a try. Less than $10 in the pump spray bottle at the Lowe's on the corner.
wsp
Organocide
This is the best stuff I ever used. It's easy to find at Lowe's or Home Depot. It's 100% organic and OMRI listed to prove it. Say's it's safe to use up til day of harvest. All I know is it works. And not just for mites, it kills like 25 different pest, even powdery mildew. Great stuff, give it a try. Less than $10 in the pump spray bottle at the Lowe's on the corner.
wsp
Gnome I wonder how you got them? I saw in one of your pics you use Ocean Forrest, I do too but when I picked some up in the store yesterday I say a bug flying around the pallet full. I have to agree with the weed nerd on this one this is my last bag of it but he said that OF has too many bugs!
As if we don't have enough to worry about we can't be importing the dam things in our grow room and good luck I hope you get it straighten out.
As if we don't have enough to worry about we can't be importing the dam things in our grow room and good luck I hope you get it straighten out.
