NAIL Choice for Oil/Wax - Glass or Titanium?
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QTS
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and for me its more than just amusing how you are unable to use google, common sense, logic or even essential 5th grade school knowledge
but i know its more important to you to know how to inhale ti particles
I think it's funny how you have ignored all inquiries directed to you by me. That tells me you are incapable of backing up your claims, or using google yourself, for anything more than finding out how many page hits any given term results with.
yes sir. hate when it breaks.
QTS
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and for me its more than just amusing how you are unable to use google, common sense, logic or even essential 5th grade school knowledge
but i know its more important to you to know how to inhale ti particles
I was looking over that Titanium article from Wikipedia that you posted, and I wonder if you even read it, or just hunted and pecked for anything to discredit this application for the material. Did you bother to look at the Medical Applications section? Here's a bit:
Note the bit about non-toxic, please. I believe it may be pertinent to the conversation. I assure you if you look through the rest of that section, you'll find nothing about "titanium nerve poisoning" Also, just below is the Precautions section, which you quoted a small portion of, to fit your desires. I'll post that whole paragraph in its entirety:
You utilized the bit about titanium's "tendency to bio-accumulate in tissues that contain silica" but as you can plainly see, the article doesn't mention any ailments, diseases, nerve poisoning, or any side effects what-so-ever in relation to that fact, and to the contrary yet again confirms it's non-toxicity. You have not pointed to one scrap of evidence, or even a somewhat credible source that mentions "titanium nerve poisoning", because there's nothing out there to be found.
Ponder this: Titanium is titanium, just one square on the periodic table. Have you (or anyone using extremely hot glass to vaporize or smoke with), though what borosilicate is? Here's the short list: Silica, boron oxide, sodium oxide, potassium oxide, and calcium oxide.
Now, beyond all the normal and known toxic fumes that are released when boro is melted, when glass has been heated too long and too much, or if the glass is dirty when melted, an effect known as devitrification can occur. Basically, instead of all the different molecules being mixed up nice and smooth, they all start to separate and crystallize, the boron gravitating towards boron, the silica towards silica, etc... Ever notice aver you use a glass nail/paddle/rod for a while it gets a scummy rough surface? That's literally the glass breaking down into its component parts. So now that we've exhausted the subject of the safety of titanium, shall we turn the light towards all those ingredients in borosilicate glass and see if they're safe too? Again, silicosis is a very real condition brought on by inhaling crystallized particles of silica. I'm not sure about the health risks of any of the other components, but it bears looking in to IMO.
Some links, for edification:
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Devitrification
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Silicosis
For what its worth, I spent a couple of decades in the Titanium casting industry, where we made aerospace, defense, and medical parts. Titanium is selected for those applications because of its ~56.8% of the weight of steel, its ~277% yield compared to steel, and its chemical inertness.
As has been noted, Ti is inert enough to be used for medical prosthesis as an alternative to the Nickel Cobalt alloy, and which weighs more than steel.
After experimenting with quartz and Ti wands, I and the rest of the local skunk pharmers continue to use the CP (commercially pure) titanium wands that I had made up for the test.
What I noticed testing them, is that Borosilicate and Quartz definitely have a flavor profile, which they add to the taste. Ti even more so, in that the sharpness of the evaporated oil's individual flavors are more sharply defined.
My tastes, and the other pharmers tastes can be most easily measured by our feet, regardless of what may tumble out of our mouths. Forget what we might of said, what did we do? The answer is that every one of us'n's use the Ti wands that I had made up.
Sooooo, I can't remember passing on either choice, because you have to be into the subtle nuisances, to care about the differences.
Both add their own flavor profile. Quartz probably passes on the flavor more closely to the parent material, though it seems to bland it out, and Ti more sharply defines the individual vagrant and fleeting flavors that might otherwise have tasted like soup, vis a vis a defined soup ingredient.
If I were to have a serious heart burn or concern, it would be that Titanium is typically not found in Commercially Pure status, because it works so much better as an alloy with Aluminum and Vanadium. One of the most common alloys is 6AL4V, which flooded the market when the Soviet Union parted out their submarines, and made Titanium golf clubs affordable to the average American.
Because of the Aluminum and Vanadium, it would be a poor choice for a skillet, nail or wand. Beware of unscrupulous suppliers of evaporation ancillaries, whom can't also supply the certifications. Reputable suppliers should easily have those certs available.
Quartz on the other hand, is also available in leaded quartz. What can I say about that?
Sooooo, I suggest that a larger concern as to whether Quartz or Titanium is the better choice, is more of a concern of how pure they are. They add things to both ceramics and metals to make them more suitable for a specific purpose, but for vaporizing, less is better.
Given the often unscrupulous nature of some of the ostensibly "fine" folks that you meet, I would be most worried about finding a reputable supplier of either, whom you could trust.
We just made our own, but if you are buying them, I would pay extremely close attention to the supplier! Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As has been noted, Ti is inert enough to be used for medical prosthesis as an alternative to the Nickel Cobalt alloy, and which weighs more than steel.
After experimenting with quartz and Ti wands, I and the rest of the local skunk pharmers continue to use the CP (commercially pure) titanium wands that I had made up for the test.
What I noticed testing them, is that Borosilicate and Quartz definitely have a flavor profile, which they add to the taste. Ti even more so, in that the sharpness of the evaporated oil's individual flavors are more sharply defined.
My tastes, and the other pharmers tastes can be most easily measured by our feet, regardless of what may tumble out of our mouths. Forget what we might of said, what did we do? The answer is that every one of us'n's use the Ti wands that I had made up.
Sooooo, I can't remember passing on either choice, because you have to be into the subtle nuisances, to care about the differences.
Both add their own flavor profile. Quartz probably passes on the flavor more closely to the parent material, though it seems to bland it out, and Ti more sharply defines the individual vagrant and fleeting flavors that might otherwise have tasted like soup, vis a vis a defined soup ingredient.
If I were to have a serious heart burn or concern, it would be that Titanium is typically not found in Commercially Pure status, because it works so much better as an alloy with Aluminum and Vanadium. One of the most common alloys is 6AL4V, which flooded the market when the Soviet Union parted out their submarines, and made Titanium golf clubs affordable to the average American.
Because of the Aluminum and Vanadium, it would be a poor choice for a skillet, nail or wand. Beware of unscrupulous suppliers of evaporation ancillaries, whom can't also supply the certifications. Reputable suppliers should easily have those certs available.
Quartz on the other hand, is also available in leaded quartz. What can I say about that?
Sooooo, I suggest that a larger concern as to whether Quartz or Titanium is the better choice, is more of a concern of how pure they are. They add things to both ceramics and metals to make them more suitable for a specific purpose, but for vaporizing, less is better.
Given the often unscrupulous nature of some of the ostensibly "fine" folks that you meet, I would be most worried about finding a reputable supplier of either, whom you could trust.
We just made our own, but if you are buying them, I would pay extremely close attention to the supplier! Ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good_KarmA
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^nice post! You da man gray wolf!
QTS
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Very good points sir! I concur that much weight should be placed on the purity of the materials used. I personally have one of HMK's rigs, so he would be able to tell what grade he uses. I also picked up a Highly Educated Titanium Nail recently which Aqualabtech lists as being made of grade 2 titanium, a pure non-alloy material.
While we're on the subject of the components inside the materials we use, another thought that has just occurred to me is the art of glass: I've only seen clear nails as of yet, but if glass artists decide to get fancy on the nails and add in colors or fuming, that would be a VERY bad idea IMO. The different colors in glass come from a myriad of elements, some quite hazardous to inhale the fumes of. One example is copper that helps to make the greenish hues, very poisonous to inhale. My hope is as an enlightened community we can deduce what (if any) types of glass or quartz are safe to vaporize off of in this way, and perhaps the majority of the pipe-making industry would stay within healthy limits.
As to the subject of taste, for me I've always noticed the best most robust flavors to come from titanium. The times I've used glass, its been about the same flavor, maybe a tad less pungent, but with some sort of added taste that I can only assume is fumes from the glass. Almost a metallic tinge. Maybe not metal.. It's hard to pinpoint. Anyway, this is my own opinion, the senses are a very subjective thing.
Time to warm up the Ti
DabberDabbaDooo
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We already voted but, We are using our ti nail right know.
DabberDabbaDooo
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Smooth is the best kinda smoke my friend. This dab is for you!
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TaterMcnuggys
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hey guys gotta question would a propane torch oxidize and fuck up a Ti nail like it dose a quarts or glass nail? appreciate any help stay dabbin-tnuggy
TaterMcnuggys
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they also sell teflon pans there to those are not cool by any means i still think the ti nails are better tho just sayin...
TaterMcnuggys
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ty now ill shall dab with confidence!
