Maine's medical scene

[Guest 226076]

i believe there is a law stating that they have to be enclosed in a green house or house.not in public veiw. i had mine iin a dog kennel locked up they didn't like it but found it acceptible.

 

[self]

good to know...I was wondering how that might work out...

 

[Sam the Caveman]

A 10 ft gajna plant is sick...the thing is there's a way around here (small NE towns) where people lay low with their business. I don't see anything wrong with growing plants in the back yard in a cage or greenhouse. It's ridiculous that anyone can't do it freely for medical or recreational purposes.The thing is when people put up 10 each of "no tresspassing" and "beware of dog" signs on some piece of crap fence that they have to keep adding lattice to it draws a lot of negative attention. Maybe you want some growers that look/act like meth heads setting up shop in your community. I can just imaging these guys being responsible with fertilzer/pesticide/fungacide usage and disposal.

Alright, so your qualms aren't with the actual plant, its with the way they go about their business. I'll agree that some folks can just be trashy and it does turn into an eye sore and it gives all of us a bad rep when they are out in the open about it.

It seems what they have done to conceal their grow has only drawn more attention to it than it otherwise would have.

 

[emerald city]

theres more pot being grown in basements and closets in quiet upscale neighborhoods through out Maine then all the open woodlands combined...
Tho i have stumbled onto what appears to be "gheto grows" from those from away..OLD run down camp in the midle of nowhere gets rented by a group of younger folks with outa state plates..kEEP OUT signs have been put up out front..Looks like a refugee camp from a 1969 dead show that left town..Those dudes stood out like a sore thumb...mORAL of the story is;When in Maine,go native..
bUSY WEEK,ENJOY the day gang...E/C OUT

 

[self]

yep beautiful day for some trimming on the porch!

 

[demasoni]

I've got a quick question, hoping someone could help me out. I know that RI does not approve cards for people with mental disorders (PDST, ADHD, ADD, etc.). Is this also the case in Maine? Thanks guys and gals.

5/19/11

yes same here......

Is that outdated?
Currently wouldn't major depressive disorder and ptsd (given severe symptoms) qualify as "A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces intractable pain, which is pain that has not responded to ordinary medical or surgical measures"?
Even if unintentional that text includes major depressive disorder and ptsd by definition. You can demonstrate intractable pain all day with symptoms of serious depression like GI issues similar to that of chrons. Are the doctors now permitted to recognize that as qualifying?

 

[turbolaser4528]

bump, have the feds backed off dispensaries for now? allowing caregivers to donate yet?

 

[self]

5/19/11

Is that outdated?
Currently wouldn't major depressive disorder and ptsd (given severe symptoms) qualify as "A chronic or debilitating disease or medical condition or its treatment that produces intractable pain, which is pain that has not responded to ordinary medical or surgical measures"?
Even if unintentional that text includes major depressive disorder and ptsd by definition. You can demonstrate intractable pain all day with symptoms of serious depression like GI issues similar to that of chrons. Are the doctors now permitted to recognize that as qualifying?

When ld1296 goes into effect tomorrow, doctors will no longer be required to notify the state of a patients condition. In addition, I believe that a way has been paved toward adding qualifying conditions to the current list, but as I understand it, it will ultimately be at the doctors discretion... I'm not 100% sure on how this will play out though...Contact dr. sulak at integr8health.com...

 

[emerald city]

Well its 9/28 ......Feal safer as Maine MMJ patient yet??
Hope the issue[L.D 1296] hits the local news tonite for well desearved positive press.

 

[mdanforth]

I've seen news stories on the new laws for the last couple of days.....caregivers can legally hire help now.....anyone looking for trimmers????

 

[Yes4Prop215]

the dispensary and caregiver system is a sham. STAY UNDERGROUND. having cops over to your grow? letting cops know you are a cannabis cultivator? shit we dont even do that shit here in california where its supposedly "legal"...which it NEVER is because federal law trumps all...100 plants is MMS five years and you dont even need to have 100 plants...you can have 50 and they will multiply it by the number of crops you pulled under their investigation..dont believe me theres a case in california where this happened to eldery folks with legit scripts...if the feds want to fuck with you THEY WILL...state law is an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE ....which means they arrest you first and make you prove medical necessity, and many cases in california where the people are really sick, the courts will deny them the medical defense so its relegated to felony cultivation and distribution....


throw some scripts on the wall....stay low key as fuck...and sell your excess meds to close friends. keep cash and herb seperate...no guns either the ATF just made it clear that medical marijuana patients cannot possess firearms...FUCK THE GOD DAMN FEDS. cant stand this shit....its just a god damn plant yet they turn us into hardcore criminals.


i like that idea about selling them a "ziplock bag" for the money but the weed is free...can any lawyers clarify if that actually works?

 

[Sam the Caveman]

i like that idea about selling them a "ziplock bag" for the money but the weed is free...can any lawyers clarify if that actually works?

I've really been thinking on that one, and its quite subjective. I certainly wouldn't want to be the test case on that one. It would probably depend on the Judge and what side of the bed he/she woke up on that morning.

About the whole caregiver visits, it sounds like they just come by once and thats it. So, as long as you have all your stuff in order on the first visit, I would guess your probably good to go do whatever you want after that.

I wouldn't be doing hundreds of plants, but I would keep within my plant numbers and just scrog out one plant per 1kw. Technically, I'd be legal but they might give me some dirty looks at the very least. So, for the first run, just a couple of lights til the inspection, then as soon as they are out the door start scrogging them out and setting up the rest of them.

In maine vegging plants don't count towards plant limits.

 

[Guest 226076]

i think its going to be up to local juridiction weather to keep f....ing with people.still alot of grey left but looking up. happy trails'''

 

[self]

as of yesterday there should be no mandatory inspections...
here's a summary of ld 1296...

Key Points on LD 1296
"An Act To Amend the Maine Medical Use of Marijuana Act To Protect Patient Privacy"

The new law is scheduled to go into effect in the last week of September, 2011.

Gains

1. Patients are no longer required to register with the Department of Health and Human Services, though the ID card issued through DHHS remains an option for people who want the additional security.

2. Caregivers who are providing for only one family or household member don't need to register.

3. Written certification from a person's doctor, which lasts for one year, returns as the legal proof required for a person to be a qualifying patient.

4. The Affirmative Defense, which was removed from Maine's medical marijuana law by LD1811 this last year, returns, allowing patients a legal defense in court if they are in possession of more than 2.5 ounces.

5. LD 1296 prohibits search, seizure, arrest, prosecution, or penalty of patients or caregivers who present a valid registration card or an up-to-date Doctor's recommendation.

6. DHHS will not collect list of people's medical conditions, and a doctor is not required to list a patient's condition on the recommendation.

7. Restores the decision of whether to make a recommendation to a patient under 18 to the person's doctor, if the person is in hospice care. Otherwise the doctor must get a second opinion from from a list of "consulting physicians" compiled by the DHHS. If the consulting physician does not respond within 10 days of receiving the request, the treating physician may provide written certification for treatment without consultation with another physician.

8. A local government may not adopt an ordinance that is duplicative of or more restrictive than the provisions of the law. An ordinance that violates the new law is void and of no effect.

9. New conditions can be added through Public petition process to the DHHS. The law previously required a board of specialists to be formed by the State in order to add conditions, but the board never formed.

10.Qualifying patients from other states can access medicine while in Maine if they have a written certification from their doctor, a valid medical marijuana certification from that other jurisdiction, and a photo ID or driver's license.

11.Two patients who are family members of the same household may share a growing facility.

12.Caregivers are no longer subject to DHHS inspection.

13.Registered caregivers are not required to share patient information with the DHHS to register.

14. Food preparation by a caregiver for a family or household member can be done in a home kitchen. There is no longer a requirement to get licensed as a "food establishment."

15. A patient can grow a portion of their allowed plants and also designate a dispensary or caregiver to grow the rest of the allowed amount.

16. Two primary caregivers who are members of the same family or household may share the same enclosed, locked facility.

Problems that need to be addressed:

- Ban on caregiver cooperatives.

- Unreasonably low plant limits.

- The new law allows a caregiver to give excess marijuana to a dispensary, but does not allow any reimbursement from the dispensary to the caregiver.

Rule Changes

The Department of Health and Human Services will be making rules in the coming months to reflect the changes in the law, and patients and caregivers are working to be involved in the rule change process. Issues that will likely be addressed through rulemaking:

- How many plants and how much plant matter are allowed under the definition "incidental amount"?

- What is the definition of "processed" vs. "non-processed" marijuana?

- What doctors are on the list of "consulting physicians" required by the DHHS for a second opinion in approval of a person under 18 becoming a qualifying patient?

- What will be the process be for Public petition to require DHHS to

initiate rulemaking for adding new medical conditions?

- Will the enclosed facility definition allow for outdoor growing in a fenced area? This law opened the door to allowing outdoor growing again, but it is not clear if this will be allowed under DHHS rules.

For more information or questions, contact MMCM at [email protected]

 

[DeezyH]

i like that idea about selling them a "ziplock bag" for the money but the weed is free...can any lawyers clarify if that actually works?

I'm not a lawyer, but I can tell you this: only use that excuse in court if you want to hear the collective laughter of Judge, Prosecutor, balif etc. Judges aren't idiots and the law has enough flexibility to trap just about anyone for anything.

 

[emerald city]

Vacation time kids,off to colorado..Time to go....E/C

 

[turbolaser4528]

Exciting!

Local, State, and Federal LEO are going to be watching these dispensaries very closely.

Seems like they are against anyone "trying to make a profit" in this industry, I'll keep an eye on this. Back to Black?

 

[Sam the Caveman]

Dam city counsel didn't grant the extension for the cannabis ballot initiative. It would have made cannabis the lowest priority in portland which would basically completely decriminalize cannabis possession. There would not be fines for possession or even an attempt to find it and if they did, no confiscation.

GO REGISTER TO VOTE STONERS!! your sig don't count if you aren't registered to vote

 

[emerald city]

leaving I/C

leaving I/C

It seems to appear that my intent to help the medical MJ patients of Maine has generated enough interest from big brother as to paint a personal target on my back...
Maybe im being paranoid but im begining to feal the tactic of giving us[ mmj patient] a semi legal status under Maine law did NOTHING but put those of us who signed up,in a very precarious position with the federal government....
Even tho i truely belive in the freedom of speach ill have to put my soapbox back in the closet for the safety and sanity of my family.
Good luck and stay safe Thanks for taking the time.
Off to see the wzrd,emerald city out and about

 

[ARTofMAKINGfire]

And yes,if you want to be left alone to do your own thing northern maine is where to go.Something like 2 state police for the whole of the" up county"area...Feals like alaSka,only with black bears instead of polar bears and moskitoes big enough to carry off a small child..Truely the land of paul bunyion and babe the blue ox.The place where tall tales are born

I'll be there soon enough making my own "tall tales"...



Maine is most wonderful.