Texas is ending the special "last meal" before executions. How do you feel?

[DiscoBiscuit]

Just wondering how far this 'pro-life' stance goes for some of you people calling the death penalty/lack of a final meal inhumane.

I so enjoy watching that hot-coal dance...kill the babies and save the scumbags...reconcile that.

Ah yes, Those fast and loose members of the opposite sex who actually enjoy having their belly's scraped and love killing babies...

Hot coal dance. That's funny. Know what's really funny? Not funny funny but funny strange? The same folks who would deny a woman's right to a safe abortion would tell that mother (and her kid) to get fucked.

Of course, we could recognize all the ramifications of what we're talking about. But you have to admit it's easier rolling folks up into neat little packages to facilitate a stance. Unfortunately, it doesn't get to the crux of the issue. Narrow views tend to divide more than bring us together.

Is the divide intentional? Let's see you dance.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

we need to get some fundamentalist Muslim shit up in the country. get caught red handed with DNA evidence confirmed by three labs? stoning by the family.

What's happening to Americans?

Who the fuck is crying about giving the scum bag a last meal, give the bastard what ever it is he wants and then fry/stone/hang/shoot/inject/guillotine his ass post haste no appeals no 12 year wait. its the high security and constant monitoring of these bastards that costs everyone alot of money. spend the cash on prosecution/judicial/forensics to convict/get it right the first time every time and get it over fast.

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A you a constitutional freedom advocate? If so, reference your historical documents concerning the incarceration of innocents. I don't believe their were any dissenters on that front.

They're all guilty of something, right? So are we, bruz. We're just outside the cage.

You know, wrongful convictions happen to idealogs. Imagine their epiphanies.

 

[Can420]

I say lets get down and dirty... guillotine, be heading, hangings just to name a few and make them live. Screw the carebear shit, if you can do the crime you can do the so called time, may it be short, quick and not so pain less! Its BS to have a person on deathrow for the rest of the persons life, thats a waist of money.


Now for the less minor incidents, do what the old school asians do when you screw up. Loose a digit, 8 fingers and two thumbs. After a few fingers if the person hasnt figured it out to stay on the good side. The only thing they will be good at is clapping.

 

[rick shaw]

Wow,there are some interesting thoughts in this thread.

I'm a former guest of the Texas Department of Corrections Ferguson Unit.I was housed with first time offenders under 21,Seg.class 1. It was no picnic and there are several people I met that told me exactly what they will do upon release,there are some truly evil people.

Which brings me to my point. Who are we to judge and punish,there already is a system.
The Texas Department of Corrections Judiciary has judged him and the Department of Corrections is carrying out the sentence.
It reminds me a bit of the Stanford experiment http://www.prisonexp.org

 

[In~Plain~Site]

A womans/couples right to have an abortion withstanding,are they not one in the same?

No correlation whatsoever?

Using/abusing the public trust and coffers for a 'liberal' lifestyle, ignorance is no argument,as a last line of defense?

I would really like to know how one makes the distinction.
I can't really see how the packaging has any bearing on the deed.

Individual rights trump anothers right to life?

I know the topic has veered slightly, but is relevant to the conversation.

Ah yes, Those fast and loose members of the opposite sex who actually enjoy having their belly's scraped and love killing babies...

Hot coal dance. That's funny. Know what's really funny? Not funny funny but funny strange? The same folks who would deny a woman's right to a safe abortion would tell that mother (and her kid) to get fucked.

Of course, we could recognize all the ramifications of what we're talking about. But you have to admit it's easier rolling folks up into neat little packages to facilitate a stance. Unfortunately, it doesn't get to the crux of the issue. Narrow views tend to divide more than bring us together.

Is the divide intentional? Let's see you dance.

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

Wow,there are some interesting thoughts in this thread.

I'm a former guest of the Texas Department of Corrections Ferguson Unit.I was housed with first time offenders under 21,Seg.class 1. It was no picnic and there are several people I met that told me exactly what they will do upon release,there are some truly evil people.

Which brings me to my point. Who are we to judge and punish,there already is a system.
The Texas Department of Corrections Judiciary has judged him and the Department of Corrections is carrying out the sentence.
It reminds me a bit of the Stanford experiment http://www.prisonexp.org

you sir are absolutely correct there is a system in place. the judgement passed? well that depends to what extent the law is broken and whether your a repeat offender or not, and sometimes that may not even be the case.

who are we to judge? "we" are made to be a part of that system by becoming a jury member or whats affectionately refered to as jury duty. the supposed "god fearing ones" within the judicial system will somehow show you that its in the bible somewhere "obeying the laws of the land , blah blah blah, being judged by a jury of your peers, blah blah blah"

I say lets get down and dirty... guillotine, be heading, hangings just to name a few and make them live. Screw the carebear shit, if you can do the crime you can do the so called time, may it be short, quick and not so pain less! Its BS to have a person on deathrow for the rest of the persons life, thats a waist of money.


Now for the less minor incidents, do what the old school asians do when you screw up. Loose a digit, 8 fingers and two thumbs. After a few fingers if the person hasnt figured it out to stay on the good side. The only thing they will be good at is clapping.

now this i COMPLETELY agree with, BUT i think that:

** you steal you get a digit taken, if you dont get the point the first time oh well thats on you

**you rape - you get raped either by some sick fuck willing to do the deed or louima style, take your pick but its gonna happen, constant infractions gets your pecker off'ed. keep doing it even after the pecker is off then hang em high

**you join a gang - fuck that its open season on your ass, shit is stupid to me anyway.

**murder - the rest of your life goes to service of that family no discussions, you run, dead on site.

**child rapists - INSTANT pecker off (unic style, balls and all) and i mean anything, coercing a child, fondling, molesting. LEAVE PEOPLES KIDS THE FUCK ALONE. PERIOD. priests too, they dont need it anyway they supposed to be busy serving god.

with all of that said, i think a person should get their last meal, cause thats as good as it gets for you at that point, aint no "comin back" aint no " oh lawdy please i wonts do it again" fuck ALL of that.

so go ahead, order whaaaatever you want, cause if thats the kinda shit you wanna do to people then whats the point of having you around?

and someone else posted a quote that mentioned the warden sometimes pays for the meal? oh yeah, im down! i'll get you whaaatever you want, drinks and the whole nine, and i'd be right there to pull the god damned switch, press the button, do a jig to start the process just as long as they sick ass wont be around anymore.

sympathy i have, but not for sick fucks, nope none.

"gotta go, gotta go!" - robin harris

 

[RetroGrow]

It was no picnic and there are several people I met that told me exactly what they will do upon release,there are some truly evil people.

It's like when Richard Pryor did a show in prison. In his album he said he looked around at some of those dudes and thought "Thank GaawwwwwwD they got prisons".

 

[rick shaw]

It's like when Richard Pryor did a show in prison. In his album he said he looked around at some of those dudes and thought "Thank GaawwwwwwD they got prisons".

'And build the walls taller' ROFL
As long as you follow the rules you earn 'good time' and certain privileges like work,visits,telephone calls and in this case a final fucking meal,made from whats available in the prison kitchen.

If the prisoner is NOT on Ad Seg,administration segregation then they should receive whatever miniscule 'Privilege' the TDC allows.

This uproar was started by a Republican working straight from the election handbook "Allways be against crime and drugs"

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

A womans/couples right to have an abortion withstanding,are they not one in the same?

No correlation whatsoever?

Using/abusing the public trust and coffers for a 'liberal' lifestyle, ignorance is no argument,as a last line of defense?

LOL, I was cracking on your comment. And like usual you're politically armed and changing the subject.

I would really like to know how one makes the distinction.
I can't really see how the packaging has any bearing on the deed.

Individual rights trump anothers right to life?

I know the topic has veered slightly, but is relevant to the conversation.

About as relevant as the price of beans on Tuesday. Abortion politics is a book cover. The real story is within.

I'm reading your book and wondering what happened to the staunch lifer who somewhere along the line melded the wrongfully convicted along with the guilty and advocates cruel and unusual punishment. Or maybe you're not a lifer at all. Maybe you're comparing apples to oranges and don't realize or don't care.

Life doesn't give us neat little choices. There's not always a good and/or bad scenario. Sometimes we get to choose between bad or worse.

Hey, look on the bright side. The less we abort means the more we have to imprison and treat em bad on impulse.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

I wasn't expecting an easy answer,was just looking for which mechanism people use to switch their brains off to justify the action.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

How does intolerance justify leaving it's brain off?

 

[In~Plain~Site]

Talk about neat little packages...lol...some may view it as prudence on one issue and intolerance on the other?

 

[ixnay007]

It's hard, almost impossible, to be 100% sure that someone is guilty.

The death penalty doesn't seem to deter that many people, or Texas wouldn't be executing that many people, QED.

Executions cost lots of money because the person scheduled to be executed has the right to appeals, many more than someone facing a life sentence because a life sentence can always be reversed, once you're dead, there is no coming back.

Last meals are there because the state wants to have some small sign that they're not completely on the same level as the people who they're condemning to death, so taking it away won't make much difference to the condemned, but will remove the facade that the state is any better than the murderer.

 

[mrcreosote]

Aw shucks,
Just let all the murderers and kiddy rapists go and maybe they won't do it again.

See? Now I'm morally superior to everybody.

Nobody can top that.

I win. (Does Church Lady Superior Dance)

Boy, do I feel great about myself.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Talk about neat little packages...lol...some may view it as prudence on one issue and intolerance on the other?

Prudence is a measure of self, not others. Ever heard somebody called a prude? Their prudence transcends self. Figuratively speaking, one stands tall by standing on others.

Dear Prudence open up your eyes
Dear Prudence see the sunny skies
The wind is low the birds will sing
That you are part of everything - Lennon/McCartney

IMO, you can reference prudence. But your disposition does a 180 after the fact.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

A point not lost on you, prudence...self-judgment and the accompanying decisions/consequences made.

 

[gingerale]

now this i COMPLETELY agree with, BUT i think that:

** you steal you get a digit taken, if you dont get the point the first time oh well thats on you

....Works great until you piss off someone in power, perhaps by seeking power yourself, i.e. running for election promising to fix corruption, and then suddenly find yourself being framed for theft.

**you rape - you get raped either by some sick fuck willing to do the deed or louima style, take your pick but its gonna happen, constant infractions gets your pecker off'ed. keep doing it even after the pecker is off then hang em high

...Works great until you piss off someone in power, say by being Dominique Strauss-Kahn, or a Duke lacrosse player, or Julian Assange, then suddenly find yourself framed for rape. It's not difficult to arrange--there's plenty of sluts out there willing to be paid enormously to seduce and fuck somebody willingly then turn around and fuck them over by claiming it was rape.

**you join a gang - fuck that its open season on your ass, shit is stupid to me anyway.

...Works great until the freedom-fighting organization you're a part of, which is seeking to put an end to corruption and tyranny in the U.S., is labelled as a "gang" and/or "terrorists" and character assassinated by the bought-and-paid-for U.S. media. Hard to argue that you're actually one of the good guys when all of this evidence suddenly turns up about the murderous activities you've been engaging in...even if you are totally innocent, and it was actually the government who killed those people. For reference, see Libya, and Syria.

**murder - the rest of your life goes to service of that family no discussions, you run, dead on site.

**child rapists - INSTANT pecker off (unic style, balls and all) and i mean anything, coercing a child, fondling, molesting. LEAVE PEOPLES KIDS THE FUCK ALONE. PERIOD. priests too, they dont need it anyway they supposed to be busy serving god.

.... etc

so go ahead, order whaaaatever you want, cause if thats the kinda shit you wanna do to people then whats the point of having you around?

Exactly. You're a stupid pothead. Probably an ignorant sack of shit who only sits around smoking reefer and munching on Cheetos, cause that's all potheads are good for, right? We should just round up all the potheads and send them off to prison, cause if that's the kinda shit you wanna do to yourself then what's the point of having you around?

I trust you can now see a glimpse of why your thinking on this subject is EXTREMELY FLAWED. Do you not see and understand what you are doing here? You're blindly putting more power into the hands of The Man, which will then be used against you and your friends--guaranteed. The Man thanks you for willingly giving him and his buddies the power to incarcerate your ass at will for damn near anything...(even the Feds don't have an accurate count of how many laws are on the books today!)...and they love that you gladly and happily are throwing YOUR right to fair punishment (for crimes that shouldn't even be crimes, in many cases) right out the window, in the name of screwing over the "bad guys". You just made the exact same error that the snitch makes--giving the lawman power just to save your own ass. You think by helping The Man get the Other (Bad) Guy, that the cops will show you mercy or kindness when it's your turn? Haha...NOPE! Little did you know that you hold NO value to "The Man" and you will be fucked over at will whenever it suits him. How does it feel to be a tool?

First they came for the Jews...

 

[Hermanthegerman]

No question about it, death penalty is wrong! Every single innocent who brought to death by the government is an example that death penalty is wrong. It´s only revenge, you´ve got the right to choose, light or darkness, witch side are you on?


North Korea, China, Iran in one row with the USA. It´s a thing that i don´t understand.

I give a f*** of a last meal, give him a last cigarette.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death-by-fire/

no better example than this ^^

Possibly the best coverage on this story is a 17 page article written by David Grann, published in The New Yorker magazine.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

 

[ixnay007]

Aw shucks,
Just let all the murderers and kiddy rapists go and maybe they won't do it again.

See? Now I'm morally superior to everybody.

Nobody can top that.

I win. (Does Church Lady Superior Dance)

Boy, do I feel great about myself.

Nice strawman, you could charge farmers for your services.

I'm entirely in favor of life sentences, if in the future something comes up to prove your innocence, your sentence can be commuted, if you've been executed, good luck coming back from the dead.