THE TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS THREAD,mma'ers are welcome
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Too much horsing around with unrealistic stances and classic forms and rituals is just too artificial and mechanical, and doesn't really prepare the student for actual combat. A guy could get clobbered while getting into this classical mess. Classical methods like these, which I consider a form of paralysis, only solidify and constrain what was once fluid. Their practitioners are merely blindly rehearsing routines and stunts that will lead nowhere.
I believe that the only way to teach anyone proper self-defence is to approach each individual personally. Each one of us is different and each one of us should be taught the correct form. By correct form I mean the most useful techniques the person is inclined toward. Find his ability and then develop these techniques. I don't think it is important whether a side kick is performed with the heel higher than the toes, as long as the fundamental principle is not violated. Most classical martial arts training is a mere imitative repetition - a product - and individuality is lost.
When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style...bruce.lee
I believe that the only way to teach anyone proper self-defence is to approach each individual personally. Each one of us is different and each one of us should be taught the correct form. By correct form I mean the most useful techniques the person is inclined toward. Find his ability and then develop these techniques. I don't think it is important whether a side kick is performed with the heel higher than the toes, as long as the fundamental principle is not violated. Most classical martial arts training is a mere imitative repetition - a product - and individuality is lost.
When one has reached maturity in the art, one will have a formless form. It is like ice dissolving in water. When one has no form, one can be all forms; when one has no style, he can fit in with any style...bruce.lee
forms are very important,it encourages the right mechanics (but be naturally balanced according to yourself),i think its important to develope a well rounded philosiphy as well.
shaolin for example the buddhist teachings reveal that the shaolin wushu (the real stuff not performances) comes from silence,a thought before it is formed as a thought,wich will lead into qi then progress toward a physical manafestation.
there is more to people than just a body or mind so there is more training to be done dont stop there.
shaolin for example the buddhist teachings reveal that the shaolin wushu (the real stuff not performances) comes from silence,a thought before it is formed as a thought,wich will lead into qi then progress toward a physical manafestation.
there is more to people than just a body or mind so there is more training to be done dont stop there.
here is great a documentary on the school i want to attend in the worst way,like i said in a previous post their is a wudang monk that lives around 50 minutes away,im gonna start going to his classes as a prep,toward china. the home training gets monotnous if you live in a urban setting not saying it cant be done but i perfer to be out in fresh air.
http://vimeo.com/18911353
http://vimeo.com/18911353
this is a niffty fact i bet most here hadnt been aware of and is why qigong practice is important along with the forms.
it has to do with producing force with movment alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity
and our bones are piezoelectric thats why keeping healthy bones/joints is a nessecity.
it has to do with producing force with movment alone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectricity
and our bones are piezoelectric thats why keeping healthy bones/joints is a nessecity.
ok, i know this is a rather new movie and im not asking for a free vid, i just want to know where i ciuld buy it out right. or if anyone has seen it pls post how it was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-En0Wwq6Ro&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-En0Wwq6Ro&feature=related
Repetiton is the basis for understanding. After doing a routine for 7000-8000 repetitions I start getting an understanding of "there's more than one way to do it right". The rigid body starts to relax, allowing the flow spoken of. Individual nerves are not very bright and all the transitions necessary for smoothness need to be trained in relentlessly.
Just the mere fact the move is being thought of messes it up totally. Doing the move while thinking the move causes conflict.
Hard to explain in words, pick a movement set, just one, and practice it about a hundred times a day. In one hundred days neither you nor the moves will remain as in the beginning. Just over three months can change how life is viewed. Any kata, form, exercise, routine, whatever it is called, try to pick a short one that takes less than a minute to complete. More likely to do 45 minutes a day than 3 hours, have to live in the real world after all.
If this is done, everything else will follow.
It is not hard, nor even strenuous, it just needs done every day and the rest will follow. I choose mornings, my daughter likes afternoon sessions. The time matters not, every day is the important part.
Just the mere fact the move is being thought of messes it up totally. Doing the move while thinking the move causes conflict.
Hard to explain in words, pick a movement set, just one, and practice it about a hundred times a day. In one hundred days neither you nor the moves will remain as in the beginning. Just over three months can change how life is viewed. Any kata, form, exercise, routine, whatever it is called, try to pick a short one that takes less than a minute to complete. More likely to do 45 minutes a day than 3 hours, have to live in the real world after all.
If this is done, everything else will follow.
It is not hard, nor even strenuous, it just needs done every day and the rest will follow. I choose mornings, my daughter likes afternoon sessions. The time matters not, every day is the important part.
I don't have any vids, but I'm a 3rd degree Brown belt in (real, authentic) Hawaii Kajukenbo (my Sifu trained with those under William S. Chow, leaning more toward the Kenpo aspect of Kajukenbo, provided by James Mitose).
Kajukenbo was created by the "black belt society"[1] for street fighting on the very dangerous streets of Hawaii, years gone by (circa 1950). The pussy ass crap called American Kenpo (aka American Kempo) by Ed Parker is based off of the real, hardcore street fighting art of kajukenbo and Hawaiian Kenpo.
[1] incl. Adriano (Sonny) Emperado, Frank Ordonez, P.Y.Y. Choo, Joe Holck and Clarence Changhis
KaJuKenBo = Karate Judo Kenpo Boxing ; it's synergistic combination of those arts, taken the best for street fighting and leaving the rest. The kenpo came to Hawaii thanks to Great Grand Master Kiyoka Komatsu, circa 1920, and it's lineage is from Japan, the art of "Kosho-ryo kenpo Jujitsu". James Mitose learned so-called Komatsu/Yoshida art of Kenpo from Great Grand Master Sakuhi Yoshida, in Japan, then he came back to Hawaii and started teaching.
http://kenpokarate.com/origin_of_kenpo_karate.html
Besides kajukenbo I have studies Gracie Jujutsu under one of the Gracie clan, in Hawaii. I have also studies Aikido, but not heavily. I like to take the best and most effective fighting tactics from legit styles, that's the way to become the best fighter, IME.
In terms of soft martial arts I have studied, and still practice, there are various form of Tai Chi and Qigong, incl. water form (one of the oldest known Doaist forms) I learned in Hawaii.
I have been in many fights in my life, most of those were unavoidable and I was defending myself or others. I have yet to 'loose' a fight, but I have been beaten up pretty badly and gotten many stitches, from drag-down brawls where beer bottles, bats and branches were used. As well as being out numbered in more than one fight.
Some people have killer instinct and power, and some do not. I do, and I wish I did not ... it has caused more grief in my life than it has solved. Most people who study martial arts do not have killer instinct, and marital arts will do little to help protect them; at least that's my experience after sparring with many so-called black belts, Sifus and Masters.
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i too have taken the crap kempo,so i know what thats about,the internal/external come together to create a whole,it doesnt really matter where you start from ,just as long as you start.
i would start thinking about a philosiphy to attain ,it will keep you from those non-sense brawls.
i would start thinking about a philosiphy to attain ,it will keep you from those non-sense brawls.
Yea, Ed Parker's Kempo is a joke. I would suggest someone not start training, instead of starting with his Kwoon or Dojo (or whatever he calls them).
I have been teaching martial arts for over a decade, but I only teach for free and I ask my students to instead give to charity or do some volunteer work. I only teach up to three people, and only on an informal basis; no bowing, no praying, no gi, none of that crap that I had to do while training over 20 years. I focus soly on real-world fighting applications, what marital arts were originally made for ...
Many people don't realize it, but many forms of Tai Chi are actually a fighting styles, some of the oldest from China. If one speeds up many Tai Chi moves one can see the fighting application/strike/hold/throw/etc.
The only philosophy one needs while fighting is that of no thought, no emotion, and most critically important, no preconceived notions of the fight.
In the fights I have been part of, nearly all were unavoidable, and not due to fault of my own. In most every fight, I was defending someone. Many fights were when I bounced at a dangerous club and bartended at an old Irish pub, as well as random fights on the street to stop attacks against other people (ex., once a women and once two kids).
The notion of Grasshopper (re the old TV show of Shoalin monk in the old west) is all fine and good, but make no mistake, true marital arts at their heart, are systems of fighting meant to injure, maim or kill the opponent(s).
One way I know if a teacher is any good or not, is if they offer a time frame for advancement along with cost per belt. If they do so, they are a joke, they are in it for the money and should be avoided. Another way I know if a teacher is any good or not, is if they have black belt, or even advanced brown belt students, that are young and/or not powerful (ex., < 18-20 years old).
In what style(s) do you train?
Yea, Ed Parker's Kempo is a joke. I would suggest someone not start training, instead of starting with his Kwoon or Dojo (or whatever he calls them).
I have been teaching martial arts for over a decade, but I only teach for free and I ask my students to instead give to charity or do some volunteer work. I only teach up to three people, and only on an informal basis; no bowing, no praying, no gi, none of that crap that I had to do while training over 20 years. I focus soly on real-world fighting applications, what marital arts were originally made for ...
Many people don't realize it, but many forms of Tai Chi are actually a fighting styles, some of the oldest from China. If one speeds up many Tai Chi moves one can see the fighting application/strike/hold/throw/etc.
The only philosophy one needs while fighting is that of no thought, no emotion, and most critically important, no preconceived notions of the fight.
In the fights I have been part of, nearly all were unavoidable, and not due to fault of my own. In most every fight, I was defending someone. Many fights were when I bounced at a dangerous club and bartended at an old Irish pub, as well as random fights on the street to stop attacks against other people (ex., once a women and once two kids).
The notion of Grasshopper (re the old TV show of Shoalin monk in the old west) is all fine and good, but make no mistake, true marital arts at their heart, are systems of fighting meant to injure, maim or kill the opponent(s).
One way I know if a teacher is any good or not, is if they offer a time frame for advancement along with cost per belt. If they do so, they are a joke, they are in it for the money and should be avoided. Another way I know if a teacher is any good or not, is if they have black belt, or even advanced brown belt students, that are young and/or not powerful (ex., < 18-20 years old).
In what style(s) do you train?
ill see your ed parker and raise you one fred villari lol
well you stood up for somone else thats not a bad thing,actually most just stand and watch so thats a big step up from the majority,so thank you.
the wu wei philosiphy (empty mind ect...) is a good starting point and is used in the daoist arts like tai chi.but a philosiphy can help the situations that can be helped like avoid finding yourself in bad situations,(i.e) hanging with a bad crowd will eventually lead to jail or a funeral.
what my goal is thus far is to attend the wugulun school in china for a year,you can find a link in my SIG for deatils.
i mainly do shaolin qi gong,but also study and try to absorb different arts such as xinyiquan, tai chi, wing chun,shaolin chi na.
i have a bad back and knee so qi gong is what im limited to so far.
my short term goals are to find transportation to attend a school wich is run by a orthodox wudang monk but he teaches a little over a hour away (driving) his name zhou xuan yun.
"The notion of Grasshopper (re the old TV show of Shoalin monk in the old west) is all fine and good, but make no mistake, true marital arts at their heart, are systems of fighting meant to injure, maim or kill the opponent(s)."
i already posted this but i hope you enjoy it,this is master wu-nanfang of the wugulun school
http://www.youtube.com/user/shaolinwugulunkungfu#p/u/12/ZWwh7mIGuqc
i already posted this but i hope you enjoy it,this is master wu-nanfang of the wugulun school
http://www.youtube.com/user/shaolinwugulunkungfu#p/u/12/ZWwh7mIGuqc
