Tutorial Organics for Beginners

[TACOE]

just don't forget to compensate... don't use a full dose of blood and a full dose of alfalfa...
half of each. Personally, I would not get high before mixing up a diverse soil, or doing the math for it. Thats when shit gets fucked up..

Hey I have a beginners question that I have managed to neglect till now.

2.2 cubic feet compressed... wtf? do they compress 2.2 cu ft of stuff (this is what i thought), or do they compress x amount, which ends up being 2.2 ft.

last time I made soil, I ended up having way more mix then I thought I was making.. and as a result, I need to add more lime and rock dusts. I did the math a hundred times, and did seperate piles for "parts" incase i forgot. Maybe I'm just truely an idiot and fucked up somewhere.

 

[Corpsey]

they compress an amount which ends up 2.2 cf compressed, once opened and properly expanded it should be roughly 2x the size as they are compressed 2:1.

so you should have about 4cf

 

[grapeman]

just don't forget to compensate... don't use a full dose of blood and a full dose of alfalfa...
half of each. Personally, I would not get high before mixing up a diverse soil, or doing the math for it. Thats when shit gets fucked up..

Hey I have a beginners question that I have managed to neglect till now.

2.2 cubic feet compressed... wtf? do they compress 2.2 cu ft of stuff (this is what i thought), or do they compress x amount, which ends up being 2.2 ft.

last time I made soil, I ended up having way more mix then I thought I was making.. and as a result, I need to add more lime and rock dusts. I did the math a hundred times, and did seperate piles for "parts" incase i forgot. Maybe I'm just truely an idiot and fucked up somewhere.

decompress your bale of soil/peat (or whatever) and measure just like the example on page one of this thread (use a pail or a pan or whatever. Yes, the compressed bale will be a larger pile of product once decompressed.

 

[TACOE]

Wow. I'm an idiot. I usually measure in parts, but I don't usually use the whole bag

 

[grapeman]

Wow. I'm an idiot. I usually measure in parts, but I don't usually use the whole bag

Parts are correct. Use parts for a correct ratio.

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

I know, this has probably been brought up multiple times, and I apologize for the repeating, but I wonder about something....

It seems my first batch was rocknroll. Everything was fine, but now I am thinking that I am getting some MG def..and I could be wrong. But my water is pretty hard, and I know it's got a good amount of calcium, my question is what would you do in this instance, if the Ca is locking out the MG? The easy answer would be to use different water, but that is not an option for me. So what do yous guys think eh?

So far only having the issue in recycled batch of lc mix..which now that I think about it, I did not re-add the pdl? I thought that took a long time to break down though, anyone think that is the issue? I wouldn't think so, but hell, what do I know?

 

[mad librettist]

lime is for the peat.

got pics?

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

lime is for the peat.

got pics?

Yup, I use lc mix #1 w/ dry ferts #1 recipe. No pics sorry bro, not at this time. I thought that I had it beat at one time, and didn't think that it was Mg issue, but now I am not sure. It seems to still be there, and basically, plants are stunted, leaves are crisping from the bottom up, twisting and dying off. New growth looks great, but I literally now have a handful of runts w/ just a couple leaf sets at the top. Some of them are sloooowly starting to develop new lower leaves where you can see side branching will be. I am kind of stumped, everytime I think I am passed it, I am not. It will be interesting to see if this happens w/ my newest batch of seedlings, I went ahead and made a fresh batch for them just in case the issue is the recycled stuff, but damn. This go around has got me pulling my hair for sure...I am starting to become a little concerned that I may have completely FUBAR'd these, and that they won't recover...but I have grown enough to know, "it's weed!" Be patient and wait, but dayam!

All that being said, I let these get root bound pretty well, so maybe that's all it is, IDK, should know in a couple weeks though, they have all made their way to 3 gallon homes.

 

[Durdy]

Amendments

Amendments

Hey I'm mixing up my soil for my outdoor grow and had some questions on proper amounts of amendments to add. I've read the recipes on the first page and would like to do something similiar to recipe one as I have full boxes of Blood meal, Bone meal, and Kelp meal. I also have a box of dolomite lime.

I got my soil from a local company and was told it is a 50% base soil (i think its from construction excavation) and 50% mushroom compost with no added amendments. I'm on a fairly tight budget this year and used Some Coco from my winter grows to lighten the soil, I'd like to buy some more coco but I'm just gonna work with what I got. I'd say its about 1 part coco to 5 or 6 parts soil.

SO finally on to my questions

1.What would you all recommend on the amount of amendments I should use (Blood, Bone, Kelp) (per gallon)

2.And also what amount of Dolomite Lime should i use? (per gallon)

 

[Dudesome]

heya folks, Im still in the process of reading through this thread, so sorry if these 2 questions that bother me have already been answered.

anyways Question # 1 is

can you recycle this mix easily?:

LC’s Soiless Mix #1:

5 parts Canadian Sphagnum Peat or Coir or Pro-Moss
3 parts perlite
2 parts worm castings or mushroom compost or home made compost
Powdered (NOT PELLETED) dolomite lime @ 2 tablespoons per gallon or 1 cup per cubic foot of the soiless mix.

will there be a need of adding aditional coco coir if that's what I use? because for what I've heard for some reason there is always less coco left after recycling it.


And the question #2 is concerning this tea:

Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Acadian powdered kelp extract

can the Maxicrop be used instead of acadian powdered kelp extract? cause im struggling to find that one anywhere.

cheers guys! still educating myself big time with all your help up in here!

 

[pinecone]

can you recycle this mix easily?

Yes. I'm pretty a lot of growers are doing this (me included).

will there be a need of adding aditional coco coir if that's what I use? because for what I've heard for some reason there is always less coco left after recycling it.

Peat and coir break down over time, but peat breaks down faster than coir. With the coir mix you could a while without adding more. I'm not really sure about the peat.

can the Maxicrop be used instead of acadian powdered kelp extract? cause im struggling to find that one anywhere.

Yes. I believe Maxicrop comes from Europe whereas the Acadian kelp comes from North America.

Pine

 

[slojoe]

hi bake it sure is a thrill droping you a line! i was a big fan of you mike greg and lets not forget pete they were fun days at the vet. good luck and god bless.. slojoe

 

[Dudesome]

thanks, pinecone!

 

[thizzness]

I'm about to mix a batch of LC#1 and I'm trying to incorporate EWC this time. But castings are expensive as hell, so will I see much of a difference if I go with half castings, half compost?

 

[slyman]

i want to get my dad to read teaming with microbes but i know u guys have said there are some things that are false in it. would u guys mind directing me somewhere that lists those things or just tell me what they are

 

[vonforne]

I'm about to mix a batch of LC#1 and I'm trying to incorporate EWC this time. But castings are expensive as hell, so will I see much of a difference if I go with half castings, half compost?

That would work just fine.

 

[vonforne]

i want to get my dad to read teaming with microbes but i know u guys have said there are some things that are false in it. would u guys mind directing me somewhere that lists those things or just tell me what they are

There is nothing false in that book. Maybe some updated information but it is a well written source of information.

 

[slyman]

ah alright thanks for the quick reply

 

[DANK_BOTANIST]

Hey fellas i was hoping somebody could help me a bit..

i am finish up a run all hand water w floranova bloom and decided i wanted sum time to do more than water so i got a bunch of blumats and have been obtaining all the ingredients to do the guano's recipe w the lc's mix w fox farm ocean forest but ran out of time and have to transplant my girls to 5 gal. in just the ocean forest no lime or perlite or nothing..

so my big question is can i still hook up my blumats (auto drip water system) and top dress feed through flower to harvest all these ingredients..??? like every other water or so add 1tbs lime, 1tbs kelp 1tbs psg ?ewc?(how much?). and maybe stop psg later around week 4 and top dress with indonesian bat guano...?? also if i do use these should i stop ph'ing my water?? ive started with 4 that ppm reading told me she wants food so i added the above to see.. im hoping this will work and help you guys can throw at me id more than appreciate!! thanks again!!

DB

 

[pinecone]

i wanted sum time to do more than water so i got a bunch of blumats and have been obtaining all the ingredients to do the guano's recipe w the lc's mix w fox farm ocean forest but ran out of time and have to transplant my girls to 5 gal. in just the ocean forest no lime or perlite or nothing.

I grew in straight Ocean Forest for a few years. Honestly it isn't that far off of a peat-based version LC's #1. It really doesn't need anything added to it as it already has liming agents, perlite, and a bunch of organic amendments. This said, I think there are benefits to LC's #2 Ocean Forest mix in that you get some fresh castings in mixed in.

My own experience in using the product is that is is pretty hot out of the bag. In fact, I found that I didn't really need to apply fertilizers in veg as long as I was up-potting regularly.

so my big question is can i still hook up my blumats (auto drip water system) and top dress feed through flower to harvest all these ingredients..??? like every other water or so add 1tbs lime, 1tbs kelp 1tbs psg ?ewc?(how much?). and maybe stop psg later around week 4 and top dress with indonesian bat guano...??

You could do this. I would top dress the pots with generously EWC, mulch, and then throw on a couple of heaping tablespoons of Indonesian guano right away as it takes time to break down. I would do the same with the kelp. I've never used the seabird guano, but I suspect that breaks down quicker than the P guano, all else equal. If this is the case top dress as needed. You might not need it. You shouldn't need the lime at all. Overall you shouldn't need to be top-dressing every few days. Just do the P-guano once at the outset, the kelp a couple times (maybe again mid flower), and the seabird guano and more castings as needed.

also if i do use these should i stop ph'ing my water?? ive started with 4 that ppm reading told me she wants food so i added the above to see

When I started using FFOF I didn't have a pH meter so I didn't do any metering or adjustments. Then I bought a meter and thought I would do my plants a favor by adjusting the pH down with citric acid. I really noticed no benefit so I stopped messing with the pH. Seemed like a waste of time. Also I'm not sure what the ppm reading tells us with organics (it is not a measure of dissolved salts). Don't bother with that either.

Pine