Tell me ALL of the reason this wouldn't work.

[Yah`mon]

I'm signed up... this shit is getting interesting.

Agreed - no business..

Warehouse is for personal storage of personal items. No fire inspection needed.

Rent the space for that purpose - no signs whatsoever.

Its a place to store your toys such as 4-wheelers, dirt bikes, etc and a place to wrench and hide out from the ol' lady. Fill it up w/ cheap 4x4 jeeps and the alike. Your an off-roader now..

Easy enough....without all that business hassle.

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Wide 8.5' trailers are out there. Found this for $3500. A tad higher priced but 8.5'x16'.
Installing a window AC in these things is not all that uncommon. Lots of cats round' here do it because they sleep in them camper style when they are out offroading. Toy hauler/camper.



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You went and done it VagPuncher.. Gimmie a week or so and I'll build along side you.. I'll need insulation advice, but after that task is tackled its on..

Does this mean were going to get to see this shit happen for sure?? If so cheeb... you rock! And whoever else may be willing to post some tutorials!

As for insulation, I'd recommend 2''x4'' or 2''x6'' walls just like a normal house, and anchor them to the side, or floor whatever works best. Then go with some spray foam insulation. Would help your cooling efforts big time.

Good luck!

Yah`mon

 

[the_baked_chef]

Well it sounds like you thought it all pretty much through )

Would you keep the mothers and clones in the warehouse too?

 

[jd4083]

Just because he doesn't have an LLC or s-corp doesnt mean he couldnt be just starting a business and keeping it a sole proprietorship for the first year

Very true, but chances are that sole prop lawn care business he opens up isn't going to produce the kind of revenue the IRS would like to see to explain why his tool trailer is paying him more every cycle than his customers are for cutting their grass

 

[Flying High]

Personally, I think trailers inside a larger space is the ultimate way to grow. Possibly a better idea than burying a larger container on your remote property?
This is one of those really good ideas that is rarely executed; I know two people who have bought trailers for this purpose and never have built them out....

To cut to the chase, insulation equals space! I would buy the widest trailer you can afford and register. (or skip what I wrote below and buy an insulated, a/c'd trailer)

I like the idea of having an Insulation company spray expanded foam, especially if they have a mold resistant coating/mix. I guess you would have to frame the trailer top,sides and bottom; so maybe 2x2's? Anything larger starts to eat up feet of space just to get insulated.
After it was framed with 2x2's, then sprayed with insulation, you would cover the walls with something(other than vapor barrier)? Poly would be easiest. Would plywood eventually mold? Mold/sound proof Sheetrock would last longer and be easier to clean(after it was painted with appropriate paint), plus provide even more insulation, right? Lots of work for a stoner like me

To cut to the chase, I applaud you for taking the initiative!!!!

My dos centavos worth of perspective would lead me to believe an Insulated and fully Air Conditioned trailer would provide a more "Turn Key" operation.

Later
H


what about gutting the walls out of a Fifth Wheel? Many of those already have full climate control, insulation, even a built in cocktail bar!!! Kinda like the Mobile Home idea, but slightly more mobile.

 

[Cheeb]

I'm interested in getting more insulation advice and not really trying to invest a ton of money.

If the trailer has plywood interior could I just use contractor adhesive long screws w/ washers to secure 2" foam insulation board throughout the entire interior - taping the seams with threaded HVAC tape?

The foam insulation boards seems like the easiest route to go.

Cutting a hole in the nose of the trailer for a window AC is the route I'll be going. I'm hoping a saw zaw can do this job although I have looked into root top RV air conditioners. I've only found them in 15000 BTU so I'd need 2 of them, but they are rather pricey and I have no idea how reliable or good they work.

I'm leaning to towards TWO 15000 BTU window units installed in the nose of the trailer. Up top would be the preferred mounting location, but I'd rather mount low so that I can use the trailer's tongue for support if needed. I'm thinking two side by side similar to pictured below.

Something like this - toolbox would not be there as to not obstruct back of AC.

Do you think mounting two 15k BTU acs mounted low like that could keep 6000w in non-aircooled reflectors cool?

Any ideas, suggestions?

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I'm going to go forward with this if I can find a trailer that will fit in my current garage.

 

[whodare]

i was thinking about using a mini split and having the condenser and compressor in your sectioned off equipment room...

you could use a big inline to vent the equip. room well enough to make the ac work and keep it super low pro

in regards to the insulation i think 2 inch foam would be fine for the flower room but you might want to use that and some sheetrock up front for extra sound deadening.

 

[Cheeb]

Does anyone know how tall these trailers typically stand from the concrete to roof?

Unfortunately the garage door on the place I was going to park one of these is only 8' wide by 7' tall.

Kinda puts a damper on my plan..do they even make trailers that can fit through a standard 8 wide x 7 tall garage door?

I've got about 18' of length once I'm in the garage, but a lot of them have rather large tongues. I know this most likely varies from brand to brand, but am I going to be able to squeeze a 14' trailer in this space when you include the tongue & ball mount?

Maybe have to scale it back to 4 600w per side for 4800w total. Even then it'd be cutting it pretty close to cram everything in there.

Any smaller and I just dont think it'd be worth the time/investment to get it together.

 

[David762]

Redundant odor control is cheap ...

Redundant odor control is cheap ...

What will you do with the smell that will leak from 200+ plants if you open the door to water? Looks like the other warehouse compartements are pretty close to yours and everybody knows what cannabis smells like.
What will happen when your carbon scrubber starts working less and you won't be there to notice it.
Won't it be suspicious if you visit your warehouse every other day - maybe even in the darkness?

Redundant odor control is cheap ... for example: In normal operation, you would be using the carbon scrubber, but when the doors are opened, a safety interlock switch kicks in a redundant odor control system such as Ona Pro Gel & Ona Fan powered through a UPS.

This trailer grow operation would be great for a SFH or Duplex -- either in the fenced back yard or else in the garage. It doesn't have to be a warehouse, which might just beg for an even more robust system such as a regular 53 foot reefer (AC & generator) trailer, at a much higher price tag.

As far as visits to the grow-op are concerned, a well-thought out watering system such as Ebb&Flow, as well as a cellular email tied to an alarm system would let you know if something went "pear-shaped" -- easily handled imvho.

 

[Yah`mon]

I'm interested in getting more insulation advice and not really trying to invest a ton of money.

If the trailer has plywood interior could I just use contractor adhesive long screws w/ washers to secure 2" foam insulation board throughout the entire interior - taping the seams with threaded HVAC tape?

The foam insulation boards seems like the easiest route to go.

Cutting a hole in the nose of the trailer for a window AC is the route I'll be going. I'm hoping a saw zaw can do this job although I have looked into root top RV air conditioners. I've only found them in 15000 BTU so I'd need 2 of them, but they are rather pricey and I have no idea how reliable or good they work.

I'm leaning to towards TWO 15000 BTU window units installed in the nose of the trailer. Up top would be the preferred mounting location, but I'd rather mount low so that I can use the trailer's tongue for support if needed. I'm thinking two side by side similar to pictured below.

Something like this - toolbox would not be there as to not obstruct back of AC.

Do you think mounting two 15k BTU acs mounted low like that could keep 6000w in non-aircooled reflectors cool?

Any ideas, suggestions?

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I'm going to go forward with this if I can find a trailer that will fit in my current garage.

Hey, interiors come 60'' unless ordered custom to be taller, thats inside trailer... so 5'... should have no problem fitting one in there... they sit pretty low. Width will be no problem either. I only suggested 2x4 or 2x6 walls if you can afford to insult them... as that would be great sound + temp control. ( and if you only need 6'5'' of grow width... plenty of room in a 8' wide trailer for 2x6.

As for foam panels that would work, Id personally screw studs even if 2x1 or something to the walls prior... not sure how thick the walls come. Don't want any risk of puncturing the outside. Make sure to get accurate depths on everything before screwing. ( common since i know... but gotta say it.) Saw Zaw should do the trick as long as your good with one and have a steady hand. Or you might wanna use a Grinder with a cutting wheel and outline what you need to cut, go through the outside metal with the grinder, then get the wood with the saw zaw.

Yah`mon

 

[mcattak]

7 x 14. 6k brand new. Pick up a used one for 3 k. 2 k to get it and geared up.

For 6k we got 40ft refrigerated shipping container...Once those doors are closed no smell totally sealed


mc

 

[enjia2000]

My two concerns.

Water and new plants. How do you get them in there?

When you open the doors will you be hit in the face with a couple thousands watts of light?

Now if you wanted to go full on RV it would be a lot less suspicious.

 

[Carboy]

I'm interested in getting more insulation advice and not really trying to invest a ton of money.

http://www.insulation4less.com/Insulation4lessProduct-1-Prodex-Total-48-Inch.aspx
Used this stuff for a well house and a light bulb kept it from freezing when it was 20 below this winter. Wouldn't require any extra framing and they sell a caulk/glue that will allow you to stick it right to the trailer walls. Cost right around 50 cents/sq ft. after you include the shipping. One has reflective on both sides; the other has reflective and white. Water proof and works as a vapor barrier.
Looks like a fun show ---- good luck.

 

[SexInTheCity]

wow Vag look what you did....this thread is going to be amazing soon...it already is! WOW WOW....great ideas very very nice idea...

 

[VagPuncher]

Hey, interiors come 60'' unless ordered custom to be taller, thats inside trailer... so 5'... should have no problem fitting one in there...

Yah`mon

I found most to be 6'6 or 6'8 height.

 

[VagPuncher]

http://www.insulation4less.com/Insulation4lessProduct-1-Prodex-Total-48-Inch.aspx
Used this stuff for a well house and a light bulb kept it from freezing when it was 20 below this winter. Wouldn't require any extra framing and they sell a caulk/glue that will allow you to stick it right to the trailer walls. Cost right around 50 cents/sq ft. after you include the shipping. One has reflective on both sides; the other has reflective and white. Water proof and works as a vapor barrier.
Looks like a fun show ---- good luck.

Excellent. That stuff looks awesome.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

love this idea...i want to grow in a warehouse too but have run into problems with the landlord, etc....this would be perfect for inspection, just wheel her out.

you asked for criticism or questions..heres my main concerns.


1) how are you draining everything? since its only 6 feet tall the plants need to be pretty close to the bottom, you can do some manual shit like place small rubbermaids underneath floodtrays raised a few feet. still not sure how we are gonna get all that drained water out of the trailer......or just put the plants on the floor and do the old garbage bag wrapped around the smartpot type thing, and run soil with very little runoff..

2) what kind of powercables are able to carry that much power...i heard someone else say just run multiple extension cords..one for each light or something.

3) is there other option besides sawing a huge hole in the trailer to put the AC...could you use a portable AC instead. since its a warehouse using commercial power rates, i wouldnt be so concerned about power use so i can stuff the biggest portable AC/Dehuey in there as possible...

4) i also agree with not using a fake business...just tell the landlord you are using it for tool storage, etc, so no business licenses needed. also how do you rent a warehouse in a fake name, usually they require ID and a background check, etc...at least here in the states

5) most sealed setups run aircooled hoods....and this would be sealed with no air cooled...so the main concern is finding a way to get rid of all the HPS heat....you can run exhaust but then its not sealed anymore..so this part is still confusing. gotta stuff a big AC in there and those heat exchangers...BTW any idea how much those HH heat exchangers cost..i was looking at the 1 fan 4 tube model for 4kw of lights

 

[mrktwiz]

Tell you the reasons it won't work... It will on all levels.

But why reinvent the wheel?

Don't drool on your screen.

www.growbot.com

www growbot com, in case link won't work.

Saw these at kush con.

I would,'t go with less than a 16' trailer, if you have a truck to pull it.

Heat, cold, sound, and drainage are your biggest issues. FLIR could be overcome pretty easily. The insulation will need to be first rate.

You could also have a female plug built into the side or bottom of the trailer, then you could just have one "big" extension cord that would, of course, be sized correctly for the distance from the panel to the unit.

Peace

Do a search on Growbot.com (or the MYRIAD of other names these corporate azzhats hide behind) they are less than honest players, don't take my word for it their is a WHOLE thread on these guys here on ICMAG.

I would never give them a dime. BTW the founder of Growbot used to work at Morgan Stanley ....I also worked at Morgan Stanley for a bit.....all I can say is their behavior mirrors many of the *cough* semi - humans I used to have to associate with.

Just my ....

 

[mrktwiz]

btw Vag I LOVE your idea and I recently was given access to a brand new 53' reefer trailer...now your giving me idea's I shouldn't have LOL.

 

[Cheeb]

1) For draining I'd most likely suggest coco/blumats dialed (or handwatered) so that they dont run-off. Occasionally one however does run-off so it'd be nice to have something there in case.

Since I wont be able to fit a 6 light trailer in my space I may just go 4000w w/ stadium as VP originally suggested. I personally am going to take it to the next level and replicate the Jonjaffer SWC stadium in my sig, but not hanging. It'll require a lower reservoir point for the "overflow" effect but I might just suck it up and use a reservoir outside of trailer. Most likely a small reservoir tucked below or off to the side. Just IN & OUT on the bottom of the trailer. In the event of a move I'd just have to turn a few valve to drain the system a hair and pull the res out from under. Maybe not the best route to take here... but I gotta get back into straight hydro/root porn. This coco shit is boring!


2) For power:

I'm all down for the idea of a RV style 240v cord concealed under a wheel well or bottom of the trailer. Able to be plugged in and ran entirely off of a 30a dryer or 50a range plug.
If its only 4000w + AC/Dehumidifier it should be able to be all ran off of a 30a dryer plug.

3) is there other option besides sawing a huge hole in the trailer to put the AC...could you use a portable AC instead. since its a warehouse using commercial power rates.

Window ACs are cheap, easy and lotta BTU for the money. It'll be the route I'm going. Portables generally suck. Roof top RV ac or regular style Mini Splits are also viable options depending on budget and skill level of installer. I'm not worried about the look of a window AC in a trailer. Lots of folks around here use their ATV trailer as a temp campers when they are out offroading..

4) i also agree with not using a fake business...just tell the landlord you are using it for tool storage, etc, so no business licenses needed. also how do you rent a warehouse in a fake name, usually they require ID and a background check, etc...at least here in the states

Dont know anything about it. Would depend on the landlord and what he wants.. In todays economic times..Most just want cash and should leave you alone - they just want a paying tenant in there. Lot of places only send Fire Inspectors if business license is pulled (mentioned before here), but unfortunately in my area they seem to just go door to door of businesses...or at least building that they've been to in the past for businesses.

5) most sealed setups run aircooled hoods....and this would be sealed with no air cooled...so the main concern is finding a way to get rid of all the HPS heat....you can run exhaust but then its not sealed anymore..so this part is still confusing. gotta stuff a big AC in there and those heat exchangers...BTW any idea how much those HH heat exchangers cost..i was looking at the 1 fan 4 tube model for 4kw of lights

I'd say the opposite.. Most sealed rooms just size AC accordingly not to have to use AC. Otherwise if one would want to aircooled but remain sealed you could pull outside air from below trailer - pump through lights - and vent out the other side - bottom of trailer. Or up top I guess. In a sealed room where your aircooling the lights you just dont have grow room air passing through your lights.. Its outside to outside.

I'm going to stay 100% sealed. Dont want the added noise of the fans..or the hassle of having more stuff in such a small space. Just going to size the AC at 4500-5000 BTU per 1K light.

Heat Exchangers require a free water supply I think..and might make humidity sky rocket in such a small sealed space.. but I dunno - not my area of knowledge there.

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VagPuncher,

Not trying to steal your thread or anything bro. I've thought about this shit forever now and AM going to start building very soon. I'll start my own thread for that, but hope you dont mind me hanging out in here in the meantime.


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[Share_The_Pain]

Indeed priceless work ehehe but the cost(s) are... speacily the running ones ... and still you can get jailed because from my point of view, even if theres no prob in growing them, to make life from it isnt that easy "straight to jail" general rule in most countrys... Sorry for any bad english, and yeah good luck for the present project and future ones, keep the good work ^^ Kind Regards for all