2012 Legalization Effort Starts

[JJScorpio]

I pulled 2 pounds consistently in a 7 foot by three foot table with a pair of 600 watt lights. 18 clones vegged for thirty days and flowered in 2 gallon pots. That allows for 4 grows a year.

Eight pounds a year is a whole lot more than most recreational users go through in a year.....A z a week is more than what most rec users can afford and that would only be 4 pounds a year.... Most people I know can only afford a quarter to a half z a week....

dick put it nicely. he said something alone the lines of "i do not care about home growers or those growing for profit currently. i only care about getting it legalized"

which rougly translates "im tired of all these home growers, i want to corner the market and monopolize oaksterdam for myself. i only care about legalization because i wrote the bill!"

dick took a direct shot at the growers...with 5x5 limits and one script per household. he wants these regulations to supercede 215. he wants to make sure that no one can legally grow cannabis to sell in bulk to the clubs, only people who can grow are hobbyists with their puny little 5x5 plot. these same rules are going into effect in CO...only way you can legally grow to supply the dispensaries is to have a government approved warehouse, follow code, pay tens of thousands of dollars in permits and fees, and have every plant cataloged inventory so theres no "surplus" etc.....

whats the fuckin point of 5x5 anyways...that creates a whole bunch of people breaking the law because who the fuck can grow in such a tiny ass space anyways...i sure as hell cant supply me, my brother and cousin off a measly 5x5. i need at LEAST a whole 10x10 bedroom to play around with genetics and harvest enough to cover my expenses. IMO the 5x5 was created so that even home growers would run out of stash quickly and be forced to buy from a dispensary...

 

[bentom187]

Hey bentom, now you are snitching on me, and VIOLATING TOU < JJ please help.

your a child, and i never said i used this site for sending anyone anything(in fact i dont). and id stop using your real name when sending people rude mail i actually went out of my way to hide your real name.

 

[JJScorpio]

19 had nothing to do with med cannabis. That was covered under 215...... Lets not get into that argument again...

JJ, good point. 19 was great for recreational growers (if you call a 5x5 growing, lol) and smokers. But lets not forget the MMj community, the vendors in particular. Not to mention the anti-corporate sentiment from many Californians. 19 was not simple. Life is not simple.

No taxes, well that's up for debate. Taxes were opened up, who knows where that one would go. I heard Napa talking about taxing marijuana out of the county.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

the 5x5 should be a lesson learned, that seems to have cost more votes than it gained
that he has the view the small grower(who sells) needs to be 'regulated out', i do have to admit that is possibility from legalization
if you legalize, there will be fewer players, but you never know

Regulating us out is the goal. If Lee had his way MMj would only be produced by him. He laughs about "growers aren't farmers" and "shouldn't be part of the future" of marketplace cannabis.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I pulled 2 pounds consistently in a 7 foot by three foot table with a pair of 600 watt lights. 18 clones vegged for thirty days and flowered in 2 gallon pots. That allows for 4 grows a year.

Eight pounds a year is a whole lot more than most recreational users go through in a year.....A z a week is more than what most rec users can afford and that would only be 4 pounds a year.... Most people I know can only afford a quarter to a half z a week....

not enough...i grow for two other people did you miss that part. and i need to sell half the harvest to get back money from PGE, soil, nutes, etc. and plus i like to play around with genetics, pheno hunt, 5x5 doesnt allow enough room.

also i work with elite low yeild strains, i wish i could get 2lbs of pure kush off 1200 watts lol. il be lucky to hit 1lb with 1-2 month veg....still trying to dial in so who knows. but pure kush is tradionally very low yeilding unless you bump it into hydro and commercial crop it but then quality suffers (ive seen 2# per light og kush and its never as good as mine). for the shit me and my friends need...5x5 is a slap in the face. im running 5x5 just for veg space......where the fuck am i gonna flower LOL????

 

[dagnabit]

YES, that is why 215 was established. Same with other state's MMj laws. If you will recall correctly, cannabis is medicinal. Or is it just for getting high to you?


Ummm... sure buddy. No dishonesty here. Too much truth possibly. for those unaccustomed to it.

Equating MMj with recreational/commercial cannabis is hardly truthful ey?

i said dishonest debate tactics..
they even have names
like....
fallacious inside information argument
EG.

I had dinner with Lee recently. He quietly admitted this to me during our civil disagreement over 19, this was after 19 failed. He also told me that any legislation he puts forth will also be aimed to remove the home grower from the market. He thinks we are dangerous. We "could be spraying DDT or who knows what" according to him.

rednick mentioned high school debate. the above would get you disqualified on the spot.
as would the ad hominem

more baseless opinions from dag.

the plea to emotion/dismissal of debate

lmao, thanks again. the devil is the details. anyone who disagrees is delusional.

i could go on but its blatant so it would be redundant

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

19 had nothing to do with med cannabis. That was covered under 215...... Lets not get into that argument again...

Yes of course, (19) recreational and commercial cannabis will in no way affect (215) medical marijuana (producers). jj, c'mon now.

 

[dagnabit]

not enough...i grow for two other people did you miss that part. and i need to sell half the harvest to get back money from PGE, soil, nutes, etc. and plus i like to play around with genetics, pheno hunt, 5x5 doesnt allow enough room.

also i work with elite low yeild strains, i wish i could get 2lbs of pure kush off 1200 watts lol. il be lucky to hit 1lb with 1-2 month veg....still trying to dial in so who knows. but pure kush is tradionally very low yeilding unless you bump it into hydro and commercial crop it but then quality suffers (ive seen 2# per light og kush and its never as good as mine). for the shit me and my friends need...5x5 is a slap in the face. im running 5x5 just for veg space......where the fuck am i gonna flower LOL????

so you would have torn up your recommendation when 19 passed?
otherwise why would have anything changed for you?

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

fallacious inside information argument

You are tripping. Revealing personal conversations with the folks who draft/fund cannabis legislation is EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. We are not in highschool debate. The things we talk about are real, this is not a contest to see who can argue by the book, but an arena to spread the facts around. Ignore the truth because you do not like it.

post edit: i voted yes on 19 so your many assumptions that I did not are also tripping.

 

[dagnabit]

You are tripping. Revealing personal conversations with the folks who draft/fund cannabis legislation is EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. We are not in highschool debate. The things we talk about are real, this is not a contest to see who can argue by the book, but an arena to spread the facts around. Ignore the truth because you do not like it.

ohhh wasn't it you who dismissed anything that "couldn't be backed up"?
now we are to take on "blind faith" what you say is true?
and your only mentioning it now?

get your brooms!

 

[bentom187]

i know it cost money espeacially for indoor cultivation i completley understand how addictive the hobby is,but should we be asking people that have debilitating deseises that slowly envelope the body for 1 red cent ? that would be the wrong/selfish thing to do espeacially if their medical bills are ruining them financially.

should we even argue about what the financial motivation is and who it benifits, in case some forgot this is a plant thats been here longer than us and we dont own it and its benifits dont belong to one group of people,just grow it and give it away to those who dont have it ,and or ,need it mediclly if people just exclude the money from the equasion it wouldnt be illeagle and we wouldnt be at eachothers throats.

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

ohhh wasn't it you who dismissed anything that "couldn't be backed up"?

lol, nice image.
I will always refute data pulled from www.outofyourass.com (please do not follow this link)

I will also accept personal conversations between major players and anyone here on IC. IDK maybe I am the only one here who teaches at OU and has casual access to Lee... you still tripping? I did vote yes on 19, like that really matters. I had my own pony is this race. Better believe it. But as an anti-corporate American I can see both sides. Seems to me that folks failing our community are those with the inability to see both sides.

 

[dagnabit]

lol, nice image.
I will always refute data pulled from www.outofyourass.com (please do not follow this link)

I will also accept personal conversations between major players and anyone here on IC. IDK maybe I am the only one here who teaches at OU and has access to Lee... you still trippin?

have not tripped in years...
still doubting unsubstantiated claims of inside knowledge that supports your position that Lee is the snidley whiplash of cannabis?
sho nuff
but like i said i dont believe a single thing people tell me about themselves on the internet...

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

have not tripped in years...
still doubting unsubstantiated claims of inside knowledge that supports your position that Lee is the snidley whiplash of cannabis?
sho nuff
but like i said i dont believe a single thing people tell me about themselves on the internet...

don't doubt me, i'm way too real.
it's hard to discuss with folks like you. I have no reason to lie. Your lack of belief is unfounded. Why would I lie? My posts are real, my words are real, and my concerns are real. Mr. Mean Mustard knows what I mean.

Now, enough of the divisions. We need to focus on protecting and spreading MEDICAL MARIJUANA, as that is a compassionate and science based idea. We can spend our efforts on CA recreation, or we can focus on the non-MMj states with sick people wasting away.

When is the east coast going to catch up to the west? I hear Rhode Island has mmj starting but they can't find acceptable applications for dispensaries.

 

[dagnabit]

We need to focus on protecting and spreading MEDICAL MARIJUANA, as that is a compassionate and science based idea. We can spend our efforts on CA recreation, or we can focus on the non-MMj states with sick people wasting away.

or?

nope

and.

false choice/plea to emotion
try another tactic

 

[Thomkal Vwalaa]

or? nope and. false choice/plea to emotion. try another tactic

People are sick and without access. Emotions are real, just like the sick people I reference. Bringing these people into the conversation is important, as they are left behind in our thirst for recreational cannabis. Compassion is not a tactic, it is much needed.

IMO MMj is much easier to push legislatively, and has a much better chance of helping out the community (grower's finances) in the long run.

Yes, we can focus on CA and the nation, and then nothing will get done because we are unfocused.

You think CA passing recreation/commercial legislation will help your state pass MMj legislation? and or recreation legislation? Correct? but that is unfounded and relies on many assumptions. take CA's current MMj system (effing awesome) and CO's mmj system (not so great) for an example. Then look to the other mmj states to see what they have done with their MMj systems.

 

[igrowone]

When is the east coast going to catch up to the west? I hear Rhode Island has mmj starting but they can't find acceptable applications for dispensaries.

catching up doesn't appear likely in the foreseeable future
not sure about RI's situation, but that description matches the NJ situation pretty closely
NY has a chance at MMJ, but we have a new MJ hating governor to help screw that up
but the legislation is in place in the legislature, no growing by patients, strict access for patients(limited conditions)
but it's a start

 

[bentom187]

Now, enough of the divisions. We need to focus on protecting and spreading MEDICAL MARIJUANA, as that is a compassionate and science based idea. We can spend our efforts on CA recreation, or we can focus on the non-MMj states with sick people wasting away.

QUOTE]

you said stop hating the hustlers now your switching your position ? or you want to hustle sick people in a leagle way ?

 

[dagnabit]

People are sick and without access. Emotions are real, just like the sick people I reference. Bringing these people into the conversation is important, as they are left behind in our thirst for recreational cannabis. Compassion is not a tactic, it is much needed.

the tactic is the either or and you know it's nothing more than that.

IMO MMj is much easier to push legislatively, and has a much better chance of helping out the community (grower's finances) in the long run.

but pushing for both is the right thing to do!

Yes, we can focus on CA and the nation, and then nothing will get done because we are unfocused.

bullshit!
cali cant pass recreational because other states would not pass medical if they did?
really?

You think CA passing recreation/commercial legislation will help your state pass MMj legislation?

got it.

and recreational

yup

Correct?

^^^
dont jive with

but that is unfounded and relies on many assumptions.

take CA's current MMj system (effing awesome) and CO's mmj system (not so great) for an example. Then look to the other mmj states to see what they have done with their MMj systems.

irrelevant to the topic of cali recreational...

 

[krunchbubble]

this thread is getting soooo old........

same bickering back and forth as every other legalization thread........

same issues and arguments we have heard over and over and over.........

no one is changing any one else's mind here.........

this thread should be binned and every other thread about legalization........