Excellent Post.
For All The Pitbull Owners/Lovers Out There
- Thread starter LittleMissGrow
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Excellent Post.
haha I didn't - the UKC/APBT has!
I doubt there is much I could tell them when making their decisions.
Same with your Bully - they are ABKC dogs but originally bred between Bulldogs and APBT's.
And reservationlabs who are you in this?...ROFL.
If only you knew. Enjoy your Am-Bully.
If you only knew. The dog attacking the stick is not an American Bulldog.
Heres a couple pics of her dad, I think they called him a 'Classic' body style, the mom was 'Standard' (like a large white boxer).
You can see my girl getting her ass kicked in the background (about 6 weeks old).
Not trying to get into the pissing match or take sides, but I have friends involved in breeding APBT's, reservationlabs knows what he's talking about, he sounds as educated and knowledgeable as my friends are (very) when he speaks on the subject. Anywho...
thundurkel, that fuckin sucks! Good thing he didn't have an even worse reaction to that crap. I hope that lawsuit has the intended results and that shit gets pulled from the shelves, good luck!
Thanks I felt like such a idiot for not looking it up, yea it definitely needs to be off the shelves and out of stores.
Anybody watching Pitbulls and Parolee's? I didn't think I was going to like that show but I thinks it's awesome how it's getting people to see these dogs aren't what the media makes them out to be. I know I plan to adopt a female companion for my buddy from her place.
If only you knew Am-Bully didn't stand for American Bulldog. See that is what happens when people speak out of turn when they have NO idea what they are talking about. Learn about a breed of dog before you own it. Knowledge is power. Educate yourself.
Educate Yourself:
http://theabkcdogs.org/
I happen to know the ABKC
, and if you know what you claim to know send Dave a copy of the picture of my dog, he happens to know my dog (in person) and if he cares enough about your inquiry he will enlighten you about the breeding background of him.I could enlighten you as well but I am not going to do that on here in the open and neither by PM, both registries are open books....plus you think you know it all already anyway and I feel like I would be wasting any effort so just ask someone else.
Or talk to me on Saturday in Atlanta. If you really know the ABKC then you know what I am talking about and you should be there as well. I am sure you know what that is.
I still don't get why you claim to know more than me about the breeding background of my own dog.
Your statements make little sense to me.
autosfordummies
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good post
shroomdr, any rodehawg blood in those dogs. looks like a few i have seen with that lack of eye and nose pigment.
strain hunter i dont own an american bully. i have more standardish hybrid american bulldogs totally diff and way more functional than the bullys ever were.
anyways i didnt mean to sound like an ass but kinda tired of people calling american bullys, apbts when there is in fact very little apbt blood coursing through there veins outside of the first couple crosses. goodluck with ur dog
shroomdr, any rodehawg blood in those dogs. looks like a few i have seen with that lack of eye and nose pigment.
strain hunter i dont own an american bully. i have more standardish hybrid american bulldogs totally diff and way more functional than the bullys ever were.
anyways i didnt mean to sound like an ass but kinda tired of people calling american bullys, apbts when there is in fact very little apbt blood coursing through there veins outside of the first couple crosses. goodluck with ur dog
autosfordummies
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strainhunter, the only reason those dogs are even aloud to be registered as apbt is simple. they see people paying like 5k for a mutt and there like i need to get me some of that $$$$$$$$$. so of course they are gonna change the standard to include them cuz the ukc is a money hungry org. plain and simple
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and that is exactly why the apbt breed as a whole is in ruins today, because the show crowd started to breed away from what they were MADE for. people friendly animal aggressive dogs in a package that was easily handlable.
Of course and most certainly it is all about money.
My dogs stud fee was 2.5K and I never took ANY pup back deals. He is now retired (so to speak) and I am away from the active breeding scene. I still attend both APBT and ABKC shows though.
5k for a dog is not rare and there are dogs around costing 15k, the most expensive one I have seen was 60k.
Are those numbers justified?
Probably not but who am I to judge that. More power to those who can and do get that kind of money.
Am-Bully seems like the logical abbreviation of american bulldog. my mistake.
american bully is a pretty stupid name considering, according to that site, they are a new breed, and american bulldogs have been around over a century (albeit most breeding came with Johnson and Scott, post WW2).
american bully is a pretty stupid name considering, according to that site, they are a new breed, and american bulldogs have been around over a century (albeit most breeding came with Johnson and Scott, post WW2).
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autosfordummies
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i agree about people payin rediculous amounts of money for dogs in general, if u want it u will pay whatever said person can justify. but that does not mean a org who registers dogs should change the standard just so they can get that money to. its super wrong and hurting all breeds everywere. and your helping that continue.
not just the apbt. look at the gsd,dobe from working lines then look at show bred animals. 2 diff animals. if what u want is an apbt get a real one. or if u want something that looks kinda like an apbt but is softer get urself an amstaff, or if u want a big fat rollie pollie get an eb. or if u want a poodle get one just dont call it an apbt cuz its the cool thing to do. dont go changing standards because of money or u cant handle a real apbt or u wont be cool to ur homies if u dont have a fake apbt. the average person shouldnt even own a chihuahua sp let alone an apbt. the general public needs to quit messing with the apbt so that this wonderful breed is still around 20yrs from now. most are already a shell of what they once were and at the rate were going the real deal wont be around much longer unless u are in the know. which is how it should be.
dont get me wrong im all for creating new breeds to fit peoples ideals or needs, how all breeds came to be in the first place, just dont call them something there not. nice to have a civil convo to so thanks for that strain hunter. and hope ur dog lives a long happy life.
edit- sorry for the rambling way to many canna cookies hahaha
not just the apbt. look at the gsd,dobe from working lines then look at show bred animals. 2 diff animals. if what u want is an apbt get a real one. or if u want something that looks kinda like an apbt but is softer get urself an amstaff, or if u want a big fat rollie pollie get an eb. or if u want a poodle get one just dont call it an apbt cuz its the cool thing to do. dont go changing standards because of money or u cant handle a real apbt or u wont be cool to ur homies if u dont have a fake apbt. the average person shouldnt even own a chihuahua sp let alone an apbt. the general public needs to quit messing with the apbt so that this wonderful breed is still around 20yrs from now. most are already a shell of what they once were and at the rate were going the real deal wont be around much longer unless u are in the know. which is how it should be.
dont get me wrong im all for creating new breeds to fit peoples ideals or needs, how all breeds came to be in the first place, just dont call them something there not. nice to have a civil convo to so thanks for that strain hunter. and hope ur dog lives a long happy life.
edit- sorry for the rambling way to many canna cookies hahaha
I have a question for the knowledgeable peeps. Where did the blue come from? Cos our family has had pitbulls since i can remember and i NEVER saw a blue before did some idiot breed a pitty with one of those weimeraner dogs? And that is where your gettin some of the height in some of these new style so called pitbulls? Yea and the breeding pools of these dogs is absurd... Check out a site called puppyfind there is at least 180 pages of pitbull pups and adults for sale from $50bux to 20k for a dog... LMFAO!!! ridiculous
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i believe the blue color is just a dilute black coat. and there were blue game dogs they were just never bred for just color alone. ive also heard that with some of the ambully lines that neo mastiffs were bred into the line to add size and coat color. how true is that i dont know. but on the other hand look at some bandog sites then check out some blue ambully sites. very similair look. hmmmmmmm. makes me wonder. but who knows for sure execpt whoever bred the litter.
sackoweed. check this site out http://caninebreeds.bulldoginformation.com/blue-dogs.html
sackoweed. check this site out http://caninebreeds.bulldoginformation.com/blue-dogs.html
cool site will peep it much more.. Look up a dog named phantom rolls.. I think this dog might be what your talking about. I also think some of these am bully's might have presa canario in them.. those dogs look friggn juiced. So is the staffordshire terrier the apbt? i have always been around pits just never researched them. Our family just always had them we were and are an active family and those dogs fit right in.. peace n pufs.
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So is the staffordshire terrier the apbt?. the answer is no. maybe at one point in history they were the same breed. but being bred away from the [] standard and breeding to the standard of looks and big heads and color or whatever is winning in the show ring has created the the staffordshire terrier and amstaff.
and ya u cant tell me that phantom rolls dog doesnt look like most bandogs which is a cross of a bull breed and mastiff breed. cool looking dog but an apbt it is not.
and ya u cant tell me that phantom rolls dog doesnt look like most bandogs which is a cross of a bull breed and mastiff breed. cool looking dog but an apbt it is not.
the truth is out
the truth is out
abkc is not bout preservin the breed and the dogs we love just makin money. adba and akc is all that counts in my book
Corvino, Tacoma, Colby, etc... had established game dogs in WHICH the SHOW dogs were PICKED from. THEN they bred SHOW DOG TO SHOW DOG, this became the trend and the "breed" however there are still pure Tacoma and Corvino dogs that are in ADBA and the AKC. I Love to see a pure game bred dog get put into the UKC and then they drop off all the pedigree but allow the dog in as a 1st gen. THIS IS WHY THE BLOODLINES ARE SO JACKED... American Pit Bull Terrier is a game dog a function dog, the GREAT dog men of yesteryear understood after all they created it. Juan Gotti is registered as an APBT so was Razors Edges, Throwing Knuckles, etc.. THE BULLY CRAZE CAME STRAIGHT OUTTA THE HOOD.. I know the pieces fit because I watched them fall away.. I have posted the first Bully type kennels on another thread, and they're straight ghetto dogs, funny because they promoted the blues more in ghetto as well.. THE PROBLEM WITH SAYING THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT BREEDS IS THIS.. Where did the dog originate? EXAMPLES: Breed a Am Staff to a APBT what will you get? Depends all on the color of the dogs nose, skin around the eyes, eyes, and hair color. There are AMSTAFF breeder with papered APBTs because they produced a rednosed dog. There is the scott type am bulldog because of the strong colby blood and others that run through the AMbulldog despite enthusiasts futile arguments, what would happen if you bred an scott type with an APBT? APBTs is what they will be called by all who see them. SO if you have a dog like RE/Gotti which RE already has a strong foundation in game dogs and then breed it back to a game line dog. YOU ARE IMPROVING YOUR DOGS LINE! IF YOU DISAGREE THATS FINE.. >BUT YOUR DISAGREEING WITH Corvino, Colby, Tacoma, Benedict, STRATTON, etc.. whos dogs are registered as both AmStaff and APBT, also who say that the StaffY from England is the REAL bulldog from which all APBTs originate. But Im sure to disagree with these guys you have more merrit than they do with the breed known as American Pit Bull Terrier. I've said it before and I'll say it again SHOW dogs should be those picture perfect working dogs, as APBTs are for function, thats the way the old dog men did it, for us to do it any other way is just creating a problem they already solved
not my dog but a friends carver stud game as fuck was on my yard for a minute.
took him 2 my hb bitch has alot of eli/jeep/carver blood pups 10 wks now and full of fire
takin a shot in the dark but i would feel good to bet that one of those dagger or chevy dogs 137lbs. bro that can be 4 of my dogs game bred apbt
peace
not intended to direspect neones dogs just statin the truth this is a great site for the canna community im done arguin over bloodlines and breedin habits.
the truth is out
abkc is not bout preservin the breed and the dogs we love just makin money. adba and akc is all that counts in my book
Corvino, Tacoma, Colby, etc... had established game dogs in WHICH the SHOW dogs were PICKED from. THEN they bred SHOW DOG TO SHOW DOG, this became the trend and the "breed" however there are still pure Tacoma and Corvino dogs that are in ADBA and the AKC. I Love to see a pure game bred dog get put into the UKC and then they drop off all the pedigree but allow the dog in as a 1st gen. THIS IS WHY THE BLOODLINES ARE SO JACKED... American Pit Bull Terrier is a game dog a function dog, the GREAT dog men of yesteryear understood after all they created it. Juan Gotti is registered as an APBT so was Razors Edges, Throwing Knuckles, etc.. THE BULLY CRAZE CAME STRAIGHT OUTTA THE HOOD.. I know the pieces fit because I watched them fall away.. I have posted the first Bully type kennels on another thread, and they're straight ghetto dogs, funny because they promoted the blues more in ghetto as well.. THE PROBLEM WITH SAYING THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT BREEDS IS THIS.. Where did the dog originate? EXAMPLES: Breed a Am Staff to a APBT what will you get? Depends all on the color of the dogs nose, skin around the eyes, eyes, and hair color. There are AMSTAFF breeder with papered APBTs because they produced a rednosed dog. There is the scott type am bulldog because of the strong colby blood and others that run through the AMbulldog despite enthusiasts futile arguments, what would happen if you bred an scott type with an APBT? APBTs is what they will be called by all who see them. SO if you have a dog like RE/Gotti which RE already has a strong foundation in game dogs and then breed it back to a game line dog. YOU ARE IMPROVING YOUR DOGS LINE! IF YOU DISAGREE THATS FINE.. >BUT YOUR DISAGREEING WITH Corvino, Colby, Tacoma, Benedict, STRATTON, etc.. whos dogs are registered as both AmStaff and APBT, also who say that the StaffY from England is the REAL bulldog from which all APBTs originate. But Im sure to disagree with these guys you have more merrit than they do with the breed known as American Pit Bull Terrier. I've said it before and I'll say it again SHOW dogs should be those picture perfect working dogs, as APBTs are for function, thats the way the old dog men did it, for us to do it any other way is just creating a problem they already solved
not my dog but a friends carver stud game as fuck was on my yard for a minute.
took him 2 my hb bitch has alot of eli/jeep/carver blood pups 10 wks now and full of fire
takin a shot in the dark but i would feel good to bet that one of those dagger or chevy dogs 137lbs. bro that can be 4 of my dogs game bred apbt
peace
not intended to direspect neones dogs just statin the truth this is a great site for the canna community im done arguin over bloodlines and breedin habits.
