Merkel says German multi-cultural society has failed

[arcticsun]

You want to see a massive conservative Christian movement? You wait! The pendulum IS swinging back... BTW, I'm NOT ANY religion.

YOU don't know history...ROME "Christianed" Europe in one fell swoop...when Constantine declared Christianity the official Roman religion. Please pick up a REAL history book. Preferably one printed BEFORE 1960...when history was changed to protect the feelings of the losers.

EVERYONE does wicked shit...Muslims, Catholics, Mexicans, even old ladies. Who gets defended? It looks like the everyone BUT Christians get defended.

I actually HATE all religion. But...if I MUST live under one...I'll gladly take Christianity. It's by FAR the most tolerant. In fact, if you were living under ANY religion other than Christianity, you'd probably NOT be sitting there reading this. Muslims as a rule are not "tekkies", neither are many other religious followers. Christianity lets YOU choose...pretty much. Does Islam? We COULDN'T talk about this in an Islamic country.

Moderate America died in the 60's. When civil rights became THE focus of EVERYTHING. THAT was when we stopped going up and began our slide. It's a sad truth. EVERY gauge of success began a slow slide. We went from the top 10 in EVERYTHING...to mediocre.

Jesus man, Europe wasnt Christianed in a "swoop".. you have no conception of the chain of events in history and dont act like you do.

In Norway, the natives are still to this day burning churches and vandalizing church property to show their opposition..

Neither is Christian Catholicism a tolerant religion, catholic women are treated just the same way as Muslim women. There is no abortion, no condoms, no sex outside of marriage and the woman should obey her husband.


But you may ram a child in the ass as much as you want if you wear purple clothes and a funny hat and ask Gods forgiveness after.


Look close enough and you will see that there is little difference between Islam and Christianity.


All your freedom isnt given you because of the church, its because we fought the church, believe me if we hadnt we would still be living under a law very similar to sharia law.


Walking around promoting Christianity as a merciful and tolerant religion and ideology, what planet are you from really?


no... really?

 

[Baba Ku]

I just cant for the life of me understand why a modern American would think Christian values, like not using a condom and condemning homosexuals would have anything to do with what makes America great.


America was great because of porn, because of low taxes and the rebellious fuck the establishment attitude... America is great because of hippies and fkn Jimi Henrix, not because of Christian/Judeo values.


Fk the church..

Completely idiotic. Good grief.

 

[Chong_Irie]

Did someone say Christian extremists...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URUOSXJrx8c&feature=related

 

[LonelyNerd]

It looks like the everyone BUT Christians get defended.

I actually HATE all religion. But...if I MUST live under one...I'll gladly take Christianity. It's by FAR the most tolerant. In fact, if you were living under ANY religion other than Christianity, you'd probably NOT be sitting there reading this. Muslims as a rule are not "tekkies", neither are many other religious followers. Christianity lets YOU choose...pretty much. Does Islam? We COULDN'T talk about this in an Islamic country.

Your right they tolerated Heliocentrism by Galileo didnt they ? You keep talking about tolerance yet somebody who claims the earth is round is a criminal. He died 1642. It was not until 1718 that the church recognized his papers. It was not until 1758 that his works were removed from the Index of Prohibited books. His freedom to speak was not tolerated by the church in the name of science until much later. Since your talking about tolerance.

 

[arcticsun]

Completely idiotic. Good grief.

.. Then why do we go to Amsterdam, if its not because of the sex, drugs and rock and roll?

 

[ibjamming]

Come on now, let's start throwing out namby pamby bullshit about who knocks on our doors.
Makes us all look like we have some sort of real argument or something.... (sheesh)

I want some of you smart people to describe a Christian extremest to us all, and describe in detail all the problems to the world that they pose.
You same people then describe the Islamic extremest and describe in detail all the problems to the world that they pose.

For a nation, be it of secular nature or not, to follow Christian/Judeo values posses no threat to any person or group of people. The religion is passive and no demands are made. Actually quite the opposite as one of the tenants of the faiths are the free will choices each individual is offered.

On the other hand, for a nation to shape itself to the values of Islam, there is a clear and absolute threat to all of the citizenry, and places a very violent form of law in place that provides no free will. Islam is not passive, and in fact vows to destroy all that is not in the name of Islam. Either comply or be destroyed. The peace promised by Islam is very specifically for those of the devout Muslim faith only. All others are to be purged from the face of the earth. The term Peaceful Muslims is a misnomer.

There is nothing at all in any of the teachings of the Judeo/Christian religions that do this.
Any evil the secular finger pointers can come up with is all tied to MAN and his evilk doings, and not to the teachings of Christianity or Judaism.
Christian bishops don't blow young boys in the name of God, nor are they instructed to do so. They do this evil using their own misgivings and cold heart.
Muslim extremists blow up young boys in the name of Ala just about on a daily basis. Their holy scriptures instructs this action and calls it justified and a path to righteousness and blessings. It also tells its followers to lie about their true feelings on this issue, when talking to the infidel or non-conformers. Ever wonder why we don't hear any outrage from the Muslim communities when atrocities in the name of Ala take place?

Jesus man, Europe wasnt Christianed in a "swoop".. you have no conception of the chain of events in history and dont act like you do.

In Norway, the natives are still to this day burning churches and vandalizing church property to show their opposition..

Neither is Christian Catholicism a tolerant religion, catholic women are treated just the same way as Muslim women. There is no abortion, no condoms, no sex outside of marriage and the woman should obey her husband.


But you may ram a child in the ass as much as you want if you wear purple clothes and a funny hat and ask Gods forgiveness after.


Look close enough and you will see that there is little difference between Islam and Christianity.


All your freedom isnt given you because of the church, its because we fought the church, believe me if we hadnt we would still be living under a law very similar to sharia law.


Walking around promoting Christianity as a merciful and tolerant religion and ideology, what planet are you from really?


no... really?

Your right they tolerated Heliocentrism by Galileo didnt they ? You keep talking about tolerance yet somebody who claims the earth is round is a criminal. He died 1642. It was not until 1718 that the church recognized his papers. It was not until 1758 that his works were removed from the Index of Prohibited books. His freedom to speak was not tolerated by the church in the name of science until much later. Since your talking about tolerance.

Do you READ what I type? I don't want ANY religions...but since it seems I'm stuck with them...I'd RATHER live under Christianity than Islam. Why? Because I HAVE lived under both. And to compare a Catholic woman to a Muslim woman with a STRAIGHT FACE is flat out a lie. Can a Catholic woman leave the house alone? Can a Catholic woman wear a skirt? Can a Catholic woman DRIVE? ALL and I'll repeat that...just so YOU CAN HEAR ME...ALL the things you mentioned Catholic woman can't do...neither can Islamic women...plus much more than I already mentioned. My fucking dog has more rights than a Muslim women. I was there for MONTHS...went to meetings, private homes...not ONCE did I speak to a Muslim woman...not ONCE.

All you defenders know not of what you defend. They are NOT like you and I. No disrespect to their religion, but freedom isn't up there as far as rights go...not at all.

Islam becomes your LIFE like those born again Christians who go crazy with religion. NONE of these conversations would take place over there. It's like the Nazi's, the USSR, they have religious police!

You just don't know what you're talking about... You are ignorant in the not knowing knowledge sense...not in the you're stupid sense...you only know what you've been allowed to see. You have NOT seen the true nature.

I've probably gone too far AGAIN and will never see this posted...

 

[LonelyNerd]

Do you READ what I type? I don't want ANY religions...but since it seems I'm stuck with them...I'd RATHER live under Christianity than Islam. Why? Because I HAVE lived under both. And to compare a Catholic woman to a Muslim woman with a STRAIGHT FACE is flat out a lie. Can a Catholic woman leave the house alone? Can a Catholic woman wear a skirt? Can a Catholic woman DRIVE? ALL and I'll repeat that...just so YOU CAN HEAR ME...ALL the things you mentioned Catholic woman can't do...neither can Islamic women...plus much more than I already mentioned. My fucking dog has more rights than a Muslim women. I was there for MONTHS...went to meetings, private homes...not ONCE did I speak to a Muslim woman...not ONCE.

All you defenders know not of what you defend. They are NOT like you and I. No disrespect to their religion, but freedom isn't up there as far as rights go...not at all.

Islam becomes your LIFE like those born again Christians who go crazy with religion. NONE of these conversations would take place over there. It's like the Nazi's, the USSR, they have religious police!

You just don't know what you're talking about... You are ignorant in the not knowing knowledge sense...not in the you're stupid sense...you only know what you've been allowed to see. You have NOT seen the true nature.

I've probably gone too far AGAIN and will never see this posted...

Its not about going too far.I have my opinion just as you have yours. who cares you couldn't meet a muslim women, theyre probably happy they didnt meet you anyway. Freedom in any religious society including a christian one is non existent. Your justifications are trivial. Make your point using facts, not xenophobia.

 

[genkisan]

Any society that teaches young children hatred and violence as an official policy is a society to question in the extreme.

Unfortunately, this is a very common trait of extremist Islamic groups.....

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

Well said man, this was my exact reaction to the article, but after reading everyone's point of view, I had to give mine about theirs.

It's this capitalist system that depends so much on the lowest working man to make it run, and in turn treats him like shit.
People bitch and complain so much about people taking their jobs, but if they were clever enough, they would find a solution, like seeking higher education or even moving somewhere else to find employment. People immigrate for this reason, and it's not easy.

Obviously Germany screwed up because they were trying to build up their capital by benefiting at low cost through inviting all of these people in the 70's. Now they are kicking themselves after realizing people won't assimilate if given low wages and poor living conditions due to being uneducated. It's cause and effect. It really comes down to education. The ones who are educated are the ones who are more involved in society, but there are just so many other variables as well. Even if education is given for FREE, some people still won't take it, and choose to take the handouts like social welfare. It is a cultural thing that happens everywhere in the world. We just have to accept that for now, and help eachother out, everyone has their part in society.

Thank you very much.

I can't believe this thread has spiraled into a discussion about religion. But this is what politicians do, and they do it so well!

They say something incendiary, and just watch and smile while people get distracted and riled up. Politicians like Merkel can go about their business like usual, making sure they stay in power, getting themselves and their cronies richer, etc., etc. Thank you Angela Merkle and all politicians around the world just like her. You prove time and time again how easy it to divide and conquer the voting public.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Merkel has not and does not support legalization of cannabis in Germany, right?

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Thank you very much.

I can't believe this thread has spiraled into a discussion about religion. But this is what politicians do, and they do it so well!

They say something incendiary, and just watch and smile while people get distracted and riled up. Politicians like Merkel can go about their business like usual, making sure they stay in power, getting themselves and their cronies richer, etc., etc. Thank you Angela Merkle and all politicians around the world just like her. You prove time and time again how easy it to divide and conquer the voting public.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Merkel has not and does not support legalization of cannabis in Germany, right?

Good Post Maria_Vanessa....

Where is the money in these huge corporations and their puppet politicians if everyone on the planet had peace and harmony, security, health and true equality?...

By dividing us they make billions out of their war machines...They need us to have enemies and fear to be able to sell us hate and war...

They sell a body-bag for every dead soldier and probably sold the bullet or bomb that killed him/her.....

Yearly budget of the U.S.A. war-machine = 777 Billion dollars plus....who pays for that?

 

[Jaymer]

Any society that teaches young children hatred and violence as an official policy is a society to question in the extreme.

Unfortunately, this is a very common trait of extremist Islamic groups.....

I really shouldn't be responding to this since it's so off topic

Good Post Maria_Vanessa

What about societies that have policies that promote hatred and violence against themselves, their own families, their own friends?

These immigrants you are referring to as maybe extreme are moving there and giving this multi-culti system a chance in the first place, not to provoke or be provoked.

 

[DaWeedinDaHood]

Muslims want us to change our rules for their religion. I say no. If you want these thing you MUST go to an Islamic country. We don't do that here.

True?
http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2007/April/20070424105314attocnich0.2485315.html

Maybe I am...I don't see the difference.

An extremist?Sure you are...

To be a minority...you do what "they" want/do in public and then in private you do whatever you want. Like I said above. Society is the framework we live in...there MUST be rules and everyone has to follow them...or it breaks down.

oh yeah,so a jew should eat pork when he is with you and then go eat kosher at home?And a black guy should bow down in front of you and call you master?That's it?Where is the rule which said you must be a WASP to live in this country?

Actually, I don't want ANY laws...I want to go mano e mano and let the better man win. We can't do that though...we have "girls playing"...so we need...rules...

You have to know...above you said there is rules to play with and then you said you don't want to play by the rules...two weight, two measurements?...Well,what can we expect from someone whom said he miss the segregation time...

What PATH to citizenship...for the 40 million illegals? Besides they don't WANT to be "citizens"...if they REALLY wanted "the American dream"...they wouldn't be living in ghettos and illiterate.

There is only 12 millions illegal in USA...and if they live in ghetto it's due to politics you support...

Don't forget...Muslims started 1000 years later! AND, they killed more taking the lands of the middle east, Israel, northern Africa, Spain, Sicily, and much more... Muslims killed more people before the crusades than after. I wish some of you would learn the TRUTH behind the crusades. It was NOT Christian agression...they had been forced into a corner...they had lost 90% of "their" lands. The crusades were DEFENSE...get that through your head.

First,Muslims started 600 years later.Then Jews were there before christians and remember how they were treated by them at that time.Also do you forget that the Bible gave to christians the justification to enslave African people?Do you forget the native american genocide perpetred by them first in South America then in the North?Forget how US gov treated them up to this day?

BLOOD is stronger than any law. Remember that.

Never heard of halfcaste?Nor hybrid vigor?

I just thought of something ironic...even back in the 60's...the beginning of "welfare"...some people had it figured out. Are you familiar with the play "West Side Story"? There is a song...and the words go: "I want to live in Amer-i-ca...everything's FREE in Amer-i-ca". We were warned...quite chilling how a playwright saw how obvious our future would be..."Everything's free in America"...yup, pretty much...as long as you "qualify".

Anslinger couldn't have made a better movie...it's well known,all dark skinned people takes evil drugs and then rape white women...

 

[Baba Ku]

Gypsy, I say you are a dreamer, but you're not the only one.
Perhaps some day we will join you...

But till then, we need to deal with reality.
And the reality of it is, as far as I can see, that diversity and cultural differences are not only natural but good and healthy things. We are what we are because of our surroundings and the lives of others that surround us.
Simply our foodstuffs makes us vastly different from one another, and things one culture may find a delicacy another may find repulsive.
Our particular climates and geographical locations also help to make us a diverse lot.
Is it a bad thing that we have differences? And if one culture never is introduced to the lifestyle of a foreign culture, will the culture as a whole suffer because of it?
Perhaps it is a healthy thing to know about other cultures, and to actually understand why folks of a certain culture do the things they do, and the way they do them. But is there any harm to come from not trying to assimilate to other cultures? I mean, what good can come from forcing the culture of one people on another people? Or better yet, what harm could come from it?
There are always unintended consequences when man decides he is going to force things on the rest of his particular society.

Some here in the US have it in their heads that the only way to cultural salvation is for us to all be as one and not be segregated by anything or anybody. They believe in this so much that they actually force their belief on the rest of our communities.
Over 35 years ago some of these people decided that the only way our children can possibly be culturally and economically equal was to force them to attend school in districts other than there own. See, a large majority of black people live on one side of the city, and the other side was predominately white. Mind you this in not a small community and is made up of about 1 million citizens locally.
The solution to the perceived problem was to bus the children from these communities to the opposing community schools. This was to be the magic fix to all our cultural woes in the city.

The opposition to this idea brought up many reasons that they saw it being a bad thing that, although perhaps had good intentions, was destine to fail. All of the opposition was simply discounted because they were not in power at the time. All of their reasons for not taking on such a project were met with deaf ears. In most instances the opposition was demonized for being racist bastards that were akin to the KKK.
But when approached by folks for explanations of how and why this forced desegregation of schools was going to work, and just exactly how the simple fact that we have forced children to go to school in neighborhoods other than their own is going to cure any cultural ills we have. They couldn't explain it then, and they can't explain it now. But it seems that all that agree with the forced busing have some sort of sixth sense that allows them to understand perfectly how it works, but seem to not be able to tell others about the magic.
That is because there IS NO MAGIC.
Diversity on it's face is hollow and does nothing. And there is no way to force cultural differences on people. First of all it doesn't work, and second of all doing such a thing brings about more trouble and strife to these communities.

The forced busing thing in our communities has been going on like I mentioned for over 35 years now, and has completely proven to be a failed venture, yet it continues.
The hundreds of millions of dollars alone spent on transportation costs has nearly bankrupted the system on several occasions. Not to mention the added expenses it costs parents to simply send their kids to school.
And the number one problem with it is that it took most all of the parental involvement out of the equation. Since the school their child may be attending is perhaps a 40 minute drive across the city, it made it nearly impossible for a majority of parents to have a close relationship with the school, it's teachers and it's faculty. As a result, the test scores and numbers declined and remain lower.

And I want to know how people would feel if they have worked hard for their money, and have invested in a decent home and neighborhood for their kids to be raised in, and then find out that their children are to attend school at a school in the middle of the projects on the other side of town? See, the schools are built and maintained with tax dollars from the people living in the communities, and the property taxes paid is in line with the worth of the home being lived in, in that particular community.
The family that has the nicer house and the better neighborhood is paying for the school that their kids do not get to attend. No, their kids get the privilege of attending a school right smack in the middle of the projects. And the school in the projects is also paid for by local tax dollars, and you can only imagine the condition of this school.
Yet, the kid who is living right next to the school in the projects is bused across town to the school paid for by the other peoples tax dollars.

I ask you, is that forced busing of children a good thing? And just how is it that diversity helps, or hurts for that matter, anyone at all?
In reality it does nothing, and on it's face diversity is nothing but a word. There is nothing to come from forcing people to live as others live.
But, perhaps the family in the projects decides they want to migrate to the east side of town where their children out now attending school? They move there and assimilate to the culture of that neighborhood. Only to find that after they have settled in, they get a letter stating that their children will now be attending school at the school they moved away from.

Trouble and strive for over 35 years, and all for a simple idea of diversity as a cure all for our cultural woes. And it is clear that it was, and is, a failed social engineering project.
-As are most social engineering projects.

 

[DaWeedinDaHood]

See, a large majority of black people live on one side of the city, and the other side was predominately white.



Diversity on it's face is hollow and does nothing. And there is no way to force cultural differences on people.

Please,tell me,what are the so big cultural difference between Afro-american and White-american?Aren't they a part of the same culture?Don't they share the same history?

Yesterday the black people,then the jews,today the muslims,and tomorrow what? Pot smokers?Wait a minute,they tried it already...

 

[Baba Ku]

Life is culturally different living on the corner of 36th & Homicide than it is living on Stratford Manor Circle. Surely we recognize this?

 

[ibjamming]

Its not about going too far.I have my opinion just as you have yours. who cares you couldn't meet a muslim women, theyre probably happy they didnt meet you anyway. Freedom in any religious society including a christian one is non existent. Your justifications are trivial. Make your point using facts, not xenophobia.

You miss my point...we never met any women professionally or privately...because they were not ALLOWED to meet us! There are no working women, and at home the women are whisked away into other rooms. They didn't even EAT with us! Because they're not allowed to take off that stupid face covering.

You have MUCH more freedom in a Christian country than a Muslim.

Since you're an expert and seem to know more than I, by calling me out here... WHAT Islamic countries have you PERSONALLY visited? You talk shit...which one did YOU live in?

Thank you very much.

I can't believe this thread has spiraled into a discussion about religion. But this is what politicians do, and they do it so well!

They say something incendiary, and just watch and smile while people get distracted and riled up. Politicians like Merkel can go about their business like usual, making sure they stay in power, getting themselves and their cronies richer, etc., etc. Thank you Angela Merkle and all politicians around the world just like her. You prove time and time again how easy it to divide and conquer the voting public.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Merkel has not and does not support legalization of cannabis in Germany, right?

Then what DID you expect in a thread about Germany's problem with Muslims?

Sure politicians do all that...but Muslims are still a problem...agreed? Or do you not think being overrun by people who want to change just about everything in your society is a problem?

Please,tell me,what are the so big cultural difference between Afro-american and White-american?Aren't they a part of the same culture?Don't they share the same history?

Yesterday the black people,then the jews,today the muslims,and tomorrow what? Pot smokers?Wait a minute,they tried it already...

You think blacks and whites have the same culture? Same values? Really? You must live in the projects...because Baba Ku sums it up beautifully below...

Life is culturally different living on the corner of 36th & Homicide than it is living on Stratford Manor Circle. Surely we recognize this?

So WHY the huge chasm between the two? The REAL reason. I say it IS cultural brought about because of broader differences.

Unfortunately...they DON'T recognize...or refuse to accept the differences. Unfortunately, we'll continue to spin our wheels getting nowhere until we DO recognize the differences and use each others strengths and not work against them.

Why don't we integrate sports? Because we want the BEST team...and the BEST team isn't all white! You can figure out the rest...I hope.

It's about using the differences between us to achieve the BEST. Now we just care that we've met a quota. We're destroying our own nations from within. Willingly.

 

[Baba Ku]

Besides...the US will always collectively HATE soccer.
Nothing can ever be done about that.
Some of us understand exactly why this is, and others are baffled by it.
But it is a harsh reality.

Btw...did we know that in Afghanistan the national pastime sport is a game that is basically water polo of sorts with no water and on horseback? And did we know that the puck is a freshly severed goats head? You think I'm joking?

 

[DaWeedinDaHood]

You think blacks and whites have the same culture? Same values? Really? You must live in the projects...because Baba Ku sums it up beautifully below...

Sums it up?All he have done is to keep trotting out the same story...he's talking about money,and that is a social problem not racial.Now I ask you again,what are the so huge difference between black and white?Aren't both trying to earn a living,to protect their family?

As a matter of fact the same resoning as yours was used back in the days to talk about italians or irish immigrants.Both of you are living in the past,a not bright past.You try to tell us that white people are victims.They are not.And if ever they are,it's due to other white people trying to control them with the kind of propaganda you spread.Are you members of " blood and honor Amerikkka"?

 

[Baba Ku]

Race is but a consequence and not the cause of any situation.
The predominantly black area that I speak of also has populations of many different ethnic backgrounds, including anglo saxon whites.

The more affluent areas also have populations of black folks that is in line with the average ratio of races in our Nation.
The ratio of folks of varying races is far different than the National averages when we talk about the projects and government housing areas. There are reasons for that, but again race is only a consequence and not the reason.

And we need to look at if the people who are in the projects have been put there and made stay there? Were the affluent black people living on Stratford Circle placed there and made stay there?

 

[genkisan]

I really shouldn't be responding to this since it's so off topic What about societies that have policies that promote hatred and violence against themselves, their own families, their own friends?

These immigrants you are referring to as maybe extreme are moving there and giving this multi-culti system a chance in the first place, not to provoke or be provoked.

How is it off topic?

I am all for multicultural life...I live in one of the most racially diverse areas of my city, my friends are from all sorts of cultures.

But when a group of people immigrates to a country and then subsequently teaches their children to despise their host country and everything it stands for, there is a big problem.

When you have a country like the UK (which stood up to Hitler when no-one would) removing any record of the Holocaust from their school curriculum so as not to "offend" the Muslim population, you have a BIG fucking problem, Senor.


When you have modern countries adopting Sharia law because of extremist pressures, you have a big fucking problem. And if you don't agree....go learn abit about Sharia law, and how it's perfectly OK to beat your wife (as long as you follow certain rules) and it's super cool to chop thieves hands off and stone women who drive cars and are rape victims.