captinknots
An OMRI listing means very little outside the grow store industry.
OMRI is pretty much a scam and little more. It means very little in the area of organic agriculture.
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Tutorial Organics for Beginners
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An OMRI listing means very little outside the grow store industry.
OMRI is pretty much a scam and little more. It means very little in the area of organic agriculture.
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plant biologyonline
found this and thought i share,
be a good refresher for most(i hope) or great read for beginners
found this and thought i share,
be a good refresher for most(i hope) or great read for beginners
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IE2KS_KUSH
Quick question here guys, just to ease my mind.
I am sloooowly getting my shit together, and am wondering about the amount of EWC I have.
So I have 40lbs. I am planning on using LC's mix #1 and a 3 quart pan as stated in the OP as my "parts". So if I make 4 or 5 cubic feet, how do I look on the castings? I have no idea how far 40lbs will go, and I can't really visualize 3 quarts....but just curious if anyone could give me an idea off the top of their heads.
I don't have a worm bin yet producing for me, so I have to buy my EWC, and frankly they are expensive, but I am limited on where I can even get them. I didn't want to order them, because I hate to pay as much for shipping as they cost. My hope is that I will have some leftover.
On a funnier note, I have a 100lbs of powdered dlime, so I think I am set their for life lol, spotted it locally at a store, and figured I would get a lifetime supply.
edit, I picked 4 or 5 cubic feet, thinking that would be enough to get started, and then hopefully I could start another batch just a little later. So I guess, how much mix could I make w/ that amount of castings would be a question as well...?
Again, though, how far will 40 lbs of castings get me in the mix??? If needed, I can still get some castings before I head out of the city I am in, so that's why I am asking...
I am sloooowly getting my shit together, and am wondering about the amount of EWC I have.
So I have 40lbs. I am planning on using LC's mix #1 and a 3 quart pan as stated in the OP as my "parts". So if I make 4 or 5 cubic feet, how do I look on the castings? I have no idea how far 40lbs will go, and I can't really visualize 3 quarts....but just curious if anyone could give me an idea off the top of their heads.
I don't have a worm bin yet producing for me, so I have to buy my EWC, and frankly they are expensive, but I am limited on where I can even get them. I didn't want to order them, because I hate to pay as much for shipping as they cost. My hope is that I will have some leftover.
On a funnier note, I have a 100lbs of powdered dlime, so I think I am set their for life lol, spotted it locally at a store, and figured I would get a lifetime supply.
edit, I picked 4 or 5 cubic feet, thinking that would be enough to get started, and then hopefully I could start another batch just a little later. So I guess, how much mix could I make w/ that amount of castings would be a question as well...?
Again, though, how far will 40 lbs of castings get me in the mix??? If needed, I can still get some castings before I head out of the city I am in, so that's why I am asking...
Yeah - good question. You'll have to do the ratios and then weigh them to get the correlation. It's "parts" not "Lbs.".
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IE2KS_KUSH
Re: Organics for Beginners
I know its parts, in my case a part will be 3 quarts. So as per the first recipe lc mix 1, how many quarts would 40 lbs of ewc be? Or maybe someone has made lc mix 1 using the 3 quart pan for the parts as suggested and they could tell me about how much worm castings they used, in lbs since that is how you buy it, by the lb..
I know its parts, in my case a part will be 3 quarts. So as per the first recipe lc mix 1, how many quarts would 40 lbs of ewc be? Or maybe someone has made lc mix 1 using the 3 quart pan for the parts as suggested and they could tell me about how much worm castings they used, in lbs since that is how you buy it, by the lb..
Weight is variable. That's why it is in "parts". For instance, I use a local EWC from a EWC farm. I live in the desert SW. The native soil is sandy here. The weight of this EWC by volume is almost 1.5 that of bag EWC or EWC I get from other sources. So you are back to parts.
If I remember correctly (maybe I don't so you'll have to do the "parts" thing with your own product), I need to buy a 2 30# bags of EWC to make @ 6 cf of LC#2 soil, with about 1/4 bag left over.
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IE2KS_KUSH
Re: Organics for Beginners
That's interesting grape and it gives me an idear anyway. Thanks.
That's interesting grape and it gives me an idear anyway. Thanks.
grapeman
Other than the grow store EWC products, everything available around here is sold by volume, i.e. 1 c.f. is the standard. 12 quart bags are also available from Yelms Earthworm Farms up in Washington.
Given the water level(s) in fresh EWC it would seem to me that buying by the volume is a better value for you dollar vs. buying by the lb.
High-quality EWC made from plant-material only bins, fortified with soft rock phosphate and calcium carbonate runs $33.00 for 1 c.f. - $275.00 for a tote (1 c.y.)
CC
Other than the grow store EWC products, everything available around here is sold by volume, i.e. 1 c.f. is the standard. 12 quart bags are also available from Yelms Earthworm Farms up in Washington.
Given the water level(s) in fresh EWC it would seem to me that buying by the volume is a better value for you dollar vs. buying by the lb.
High-quality EWC made from plant-material only bins, fortified with soft rock phosphate and calcium carbonate runs $33.00 for 1 c.f. - $275.00 for a tote (1 c.y.)
CC
the one advantage of living amongst old hippies is that they seem to have the bomb supplies up in your neck of the woods. I live near the old country club set. Plenty of golf clubs... no good source of organic supplies. Thanks for the name "yelms". I'll check out their website.
Good to see you posting.
grapeman
These guys are down in Phoenix, Oregon. 3 very smart young men are behind this company.
They produce their own thermal compost (100% organic, plant-based only) as well as their own EWC. Both are extremely high in microbial activity.
Click on the 'Distributor' link on the menu bar and see if there's anything close enough to make sense giving it a try, i.e. not involving mail order.
I think that you'll be blown away with the quality of their products. I recommend their potting soil to new organic growers because right of the bag you have a viable living soil.
They now sell both their thermal compost as well as their EWC in either bags or in totes.
Highly recommend.
CC
These guys are down in Phoenix, Oregon. 3 very smart young men are behind this company.
They produce their own thermal compost (100% organic, plant-based only) as well as their own EWC. Both are extremely high in microbial activity.
Click on the 'Distributor' link on the menu bar and see if there's anything close enough to make sense giving it a try, i.e. not involving mail order.
I think that you'll be blown away with the quality of their products. I recommend their potting soil to new organic growers because right of the bag you have a viable living soil.
They now sell both their thermal compost as well as their EWC in either bags or in totes.
Highly recommend.
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torealforthcbay
Member
guano tea mix from burn one. quick question...
guano tea mix from burn one. quick question...
Guano Tea and Kelp:
Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.
Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.
Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.
My question is, first off, arnt the ratios the exact same,1/3 of each vs. 2/3 of each? I mean, in both recipes its just equal parts of the 3 main ingredients right?
second, doesnt the peruvian guano have to much N to be using after week 4 or 5 in flower? is like 10-10-2 i believe. it says to use this mix till the last week before harvest. would it make sense to drop the peruvian after mid flower? if so would you double up on the jamaican? (ha, sounds like a sex joke lol)
also, my pervian guano is pelletized, its sunleaves brand, is that cool to use? or should i try and crush it up before use? i couldnt really find any other brands online. and sunleaves doesnt offer a granular psg.
thanks peace.
guano tea mix from burn one. quick question...
Guano Tea and Kelp:
Seedlings less than 1 month old nute tea mix-
Mix 1 cup earthworm castings into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
Add 5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses.
Use it to water your seedlings with every 3rd watering.
Veg mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 1 cup of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with every 3rd watering.
Flowering nute tea mix:
2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.
My question is, first off, arnt the ratios the exact same,1/3 of each vs. 2/3 of each? I mean, in both recipes its just equal parts of the 3 main ingredients right?
second, doesnt the peruvian guano have to much N to be using after week 4 or 5 in flower? is like 10-10-2 i believe. it says to use this mix till the last week before harvest. would it make sense to drop the peruvian after mid flower? if so would you double up on the jamaican? (ha, sounds like a sex joke lol)
also, my pervian guano is pelletized, its sunleaves brand, is that cool to use? or should i try and crush it up before use? i couldnt really find any other brands online. and sunleaves doesnt offer a granular psg.
thanks peace.
Do you think if I added some epsom salt to LCs mix #1 and Recipe #1 it would throw my Ca and Mg ratios out of whack? Do you think it would be too much Mg? I was going to mix this up, what do you think?
31 gallons of peat
11 gallons of perlite
25 lbs. of ewc
6 cups dolomite lime
1 1/3 cup epsom salt
4 cups of blood meal
8 cups of bone meal
4 cups of kelp meal
3 cups of green sand
Another question: I just found cotton seed meal, rock phosphates, and gypsum and was wondering how I could incorporate it into the mix or use it in place of something I am already using, any ideas?
31 gallons of peat
11 gallons of perlite
25 lbs. of ewc
6 cups dolomite lime
1 1/3 cup epsom salt
4 cups of blood meal
8 cups of bone meal
4 cups of kelp meal
3 cups of green sand
Another question: I just found cotton seed meal, rock phosphates, and gypsum and was wondering how I could incorporate it into the mix or use it in place of something I am already using, any ideas?
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Carl Carlson
I'm wondering if epsom salts are too easily leached to be worthy of being added to a soil or soilless mix.
Carl Carlson
If one opted for K-Mag (aka Sul-Po-Mag, Sulfate of Potash Magnesia, langbeinite, et al) you would get the same benefit that you do with epsom salts (magnesium and sulphur) plus you would have a 21% Potassium (K) profile.
HTH
CC
If one opted for K-Mag (aka Sul-Po-Mag, Sulfate of Potash Magnesia, langbeinite, et al) you would get the same benefit that you do with epsom salts (magnesium and sulphur) plus you would have a 21% Potassium (K) profile.
HTH
CC
Toreal, I have not been crushing my Peruvian (same brand). The pellets all break down within an hour or two of bubbling.
As far as your N questions goes, I think it's strain dependent. That recipe is an awesome base, but you'll need to adjust it a bit for each strain to really nail it down. Running that exact recipe in LC2 on 4 strains left me with 2 that finished up completely green and 2 that yellowed up a bit and looked more like the traditional finish. I'll drop the feeding a bit for the less hungry strains next time around.
As far as your N questions goes, I think it's strain dependent. That recipe is an awesome base, but you'll need to adjust it a bit for each strain to really nail it down. Running that exact recipe in LC2 on 4 strains left me with 2 that finished up completely green and 2 that yellowed up a bit and looked more like the traditional finish. I'll drop the feeding a bit for the less hungry strains next time around.
Cookie Duster
New member
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The Strain Man
never had a problem with peruvian guano breaking down just throw it in water overnight and never had a problem with using it after week 5 just flush for two weeks and I would not be adding salt to your soil 
torealforthcbay
Member
never had a problem with peruvian guano breaking down just throw it in water overnight and never had a problem with using it after week 5 just flush for two weeks and I would not be adding salt to your soil
? flushing in organics?
also what are you talking about adding salt?
so no ill effects using psg after week 5.? cool. i guess that will be strain dependent.
