Top House Republican complaining that Obama administration is not fighting drug war h

[dagnabit]

you used a resource!!!!

sweet!!!!

lamar sux..

we all agree there!

where you and i seem to disagree is that there are any currently in power that dont suck..

i think there very few on the hill that have our interests at heart..like NOT A SINGLE ONE!!!

you seem to trust some of them?!?!?

or is this all a miscommunication?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

you used a resource!!!!

sweet!!!!

lamar sux..

we all agree there!

where you and i seem to disagree is that there are any currently in power that dont suck..

i think there very few on the hill that have our interests at heart..like NOT A SINGLE ONE!!!

you seem to trust some of them?!?!?

or is this all a miscommunication?

None of the above......stop wondering about chit that doesn't pertain to this thread topic. Stop wondering about chit you know nothing about. Like what I think (except for what's posted.) You know nothing in that regard so give it a freakin' break.

This is the place to post crap about lamar smith. Stop being a teary-eyed pup.

 

[Haps]

For anyone who still reads this far into the thread, what you see here is typical republicant tactics. The republicant members keep stirring shit up trying to obscure the whole point of the thread, which is that republicans have stated we get more leo, dea, and raids if we elect them. Fucking DUH!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Good point, Haps.

Reality Check On Rep. Lamar Smith's Marijuana Lies.
By: Michael Whitney Friday September 24, 2010 8:45 am

Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) is pushing a bill that aims to put yet more people in jail for using marijuana, even hoping to create a crime for "conspiracy to possess" marijuana that could put people in jail for planning to fly to Amsterdam with their friends to smoke pot.


That’s bad enough, and luckily Nancy Pelosi pulled the bill off the House’s fast track. But Lamar Smith continues his war on marijuana, hilariously suggesting on Fox News that Barack Obama is "encouraging the use of marijuana."


Is that through the continued raids by the DEA of lawful medical marijuana practices in direct defiance of Attorney General Holder, or is it through the Drug Czar’s lies about and opposition to Proposition 19?


But Paul Armentano, Deputy Director of NORML and board member of Just Say Now, took to the pages of The Hill newspaper to give a reality check to Lamar Smith’s lies.


Law enforcement officials prosecuted a near-record 858,408 persons for violating marijuana laws in 2009 – the first year of the Obama presidency. That total is the second highest annual number of pot prosecutions ever recorded in the United States.

According to the arrest data, made public last week by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some 88 percent (758,593 Americans) of those charged with marijuana violations were prosecuted for possession only. The remaining 99,815 individuals were charged with “sale/manufacture,” a category that includes virtually all cultivation offenses.

Does any rational person really think that arresting and prosecuting nearly one million Americans annually for their use of a substance that is objectively safer than alcohol exemplifies a ‘soft’ – or better yet, sound – public policy?

Rep. Smith further claims that the administration has abdicated the enforcement of federal drug laws in the fourteen states that have legalized the physician-supervised use of marijuana since 1996. Not so. Despite promises from the U.S. Attorney General to respect the laws of these 14 states, the September 21 edition of DC’s Daily Caller reports that just the opposite is taking place.


Be sure to respond in the comments at The Hill to show DC’s inside government audience that Armentano is right, and Lamar Smith is wrong. It’s good to show the DC crowd that the real world wants to end the war on marijuana.


Mason Tvert of SAFER had a great piece on FDL earlier this week about Lamar Smith’s ties to Big Alcohol and his war against marijuana.


http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/73030

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Condemning the new directive, Rep. Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican, said, "If we want to win the war on drugs, federal prosecutors have a responsibility to investigate and prosecute all medical marijuana dispensaries and not just those that are merely fronts for illegal marijuana distribution."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010119522_harrop23.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2010119522_harrop23.html

sounds like a pretty clear statement to me

 

[vta]

Condemning the new directive, Rep. Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican, said, "If we want to win the war on drugs, federal prosecutors have a responsibility to investigate and prosecute all medical marijuana dispensaries and not just those that are merely fronts for illegal marijuana distribution."

In other words the truly compassionate ones....got to get those too.

Hey wait, he's republican right...maybe he got tea-bagged and he's pissed?

 

[dagnabit]

i cant believe there are those who still think this is a repub/dem issue...

believe either is your friend at your own peril...

This is the place to post crap about lamar smith. Stop being a teary-eyed pup.

ohhh i get it...

ill play along..

LAMAR SUX

good talk....

kinda micro though...
i like to look at the larger picture..but hey if you enjoy watching the right hand while the left picks your pocket....

go on with your "post crap" party LMAO

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

i cant believe there are those who still think this is a repub/dem issue...

believe either is your friend at your own peril...




ohhh i get it...

ill play along..

LAMAR SUX

good talk....

kinda micro though...
i like to look at the larger picture..but hey if you enjoy watching the right hand while the left picks your pocket....

go on with your "post crap" party LMAO

That's fine, dag. You got to post a little crap too, repeatedly.

We're all glad you're crapped out.

 

[In~Plain~Site]

i cant believe there are those who still think this is a repub/dem issue...

believe either is your friend at your own peril...




ohhh i get it...

ill play along..

LAMAR SUX

good talk....

kinda micro though...
i like to look at the larger picture..but hey if you enjoy watching the right hand while the left picks your pocket....

go on with your "post crap" party LMAO

Indeed, hence the circle-jerk comment.

I still can't figure out how some of these folks place more weight with the words of a mid-level maybe, as opposed to the top-dog who is, that lied.

Like I said, blinded and delusional even with the narrow-mindedness of this one issue.

Carry on

 

[Chief Rbud]

solution sounds pretty simple to me, get rid of lamar and anyone like him, so where do we start, i don't like abortion, can i get rid of nancy pelosi?

 

[Neo 420]

Indeed, hence the circle-jerk comment.

I still can't figure out how some of these folks place more weight with the words of a mid-level maybe, as opposed to the top-dog who is, that lied.

Like I said, blinded and delusional even with the narrow-mindedness of this one issue.

Carry on

You are on a self perpetual circle jerk and you don't even know why. You can't provide back up, proof or at minimum spout out your party line .Just loads of hot air and wasted typing. I know your type. You are the " I am right and I am right." Go post on the Drudge or something........You blind and disillusion sheeple.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

there are no libertarians in the tea party...
find us here

lp.org

tea baggers are to far left for us libertarians...

I guess libertarians are off the scale.

 

[ChronJohn]

I'm a libertarian and I will say this:

In a perfect world, people would vote principle, not politics, and Libertarians would always win because we are basically made in the image of our creators, the Founding Fathers. Limited Federal government, strict adherence to the Constitution (none of this "it's a living breathing document and always changing" bullshit.. no its not always changing just the politics which pick and choose how to interpret it. see: commerce clause), states' rights, no foreign entanglements, free trade.. these are all stances of our Founding Fathers the geniuses behind our great Country so if it ain't broke then why the fuck are we breaking it and fucking it up worse and worse every election cycle when we elect a Republicrat??? But I digress..

My point is, this is not a perfect world, it is the real world and only a red or blue will ever be elected by the sheeple to the Presidency, and the President needs Congress on his side if he wants to get anything done because either side will only obstruct the shit out of what the other side wants to get done.

So therefore, if cannabis law reform or drug law reform in general means anything to you (it means a fuck of a lot to me), then you should vote Democrat unless the Republican in question is Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. If you prefer "Just Say No", "Operation Pipe Dreams", and the "War on Drugs" in general (brainchild of Nixon and exponentially expanded by Reagan) then vote for a Republican.

This old post of mine

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3404753&postcount=81

pretty much sums it all up.

P.S. Lamar Smith is actually probably right. Obama's "soft" policy of letting cannabis dispensaries operate within state guidelines caused a surge in medical recommendation and dispensary applications, which has led to more open usage and so more people are turning to the new-found legal cannabis to ease their ailments, thus usage has been going up and cannabis is gaining mainstream momentum since his election. That Mr. Smith calls this a bad thing is where he is gravely wrong.

 

[dagnabit]

I'm a libertarian and I will say this:

In a perfect world, people would vote principle, not politics, and Libertarians would always win because we are basically made in the image of our creators, the Founding Fathers. Limited Federal government, strict adherence to the Constitution (none of this "it's a living breathing document and always changing" bullshit.. no its not always changing just the politics which pick and choose how to interpret it. see: commerce clause), states' rights, no foreign entanglements, free trade.. these are all stances of our Founding Fathers the geniuses behind our great Country so if it ain't broke then why the fuck are we breaking it and fucking it up worse and worse every election cycle when we elect a Republicrat??? But I digress..

My point is, this is not a perfect world, it is the real world and only a red or blue will ever be elected by the sheeple to the Presidency, and the President needs Congress on his side if he wants to get anything done because either side will only obstruct the shit out of what the other side wants to get done.

So therefore, if cannabis law reform or drug law reform in general means anything to you (it means a fuck of a lot to me), then you should vote Democrat unless the Republican in question is Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. If you prefer "Just Say No", "Operation Pipe Dreams", and the "War on Drugs" in general (brainchild of Nixon and exponentially expanded by Reagan) then vote for a Republican.

This old post of mine

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3404753&postcount=81

pretty much sums it all up.

P.S. Lamar Smith is actually probably right. Obama's "soft" policy of letting cannabis dispensaries operate within state guidelines caused a surge in medical recommendation and dispensary applications, which has led to more open usage and so more people are turning to the new-found legal cannabis to ease their ailments, thus usage has been going up and cannabis is gaining mainstream momentum since his election. That Mr. Smith calls this a bad thing is where he is gravely wrong.

amen brother..

K+++

and that is "off the scale" LMAO

 

[Neo 420]

I'm a libertarian and I will say this:

In a perfect world, people would vote principle, not politics, and Libertarians would always win because we are basically made in the image of our creators, the Founding Fathers. Limited Federal government, strict adherence to the Constitution (none of this "it's a living breathing document and always changing" bullshit.. no its not always changing just the politics which pick and choose how to interpret it. see: commerce clause), states' rights, no foreign entanglements, free trade.. these are all stances of our Founding Fathers the geniuses behind our great Country so if it ain't broke then why the fuck are we breaking it and fucking it up worse and worse every election cycle when we elect a Republicrat??? But I digress..

My point is, this is not a perfect world, it is the real world and only a red or blue will ever be elected by the sheeple to the Presidency, and the President needs Congress on his side if he wants to get anything done because either side will only obstruct the shit out of what the other side wants to get done.

So therefore, if cannabis law reform or drug law reform in general means anything to you (it means a fuck of a lot to me), then you should vote Democrat unless the Republican in question is Ron Paul or Gary Johnson. If you prefer "Just Say No", "Operation Pipe Dreams", and the "War on Drugs" in general (brainchild of Nixon and exponentially expanded by Reagan) then vote for a Republican.

This old post of mine

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=3404753&postcount=81

pretty much sums it all up.

P.S. Lamar Smith is actually probably right. Obama's "soft" policy of letting cannabis dispensaries operate within state guidelines caused a surge in medical recommendation and dispensary applications, which has led to more open usage and so more people are turning to the new-found legal cannabis to ease their ailments, thus usage has been going up and cannabis is gaining mainstream momentum since his election. That Mr. Smith calls this a bad thing is where he is gravely wrong.

Well said!!!!!

 

[David762]

Wearing Blinders Sure Looks Pretty Funny

Wearing Blinders Sure Looks Pretty Funny

Obama and Holder promised that Federal LEOs would not get involved in enforcing Federal laws in MMJ states -- words versus deeds. In reality, DEA raids in MMJ states have continued since that time. Even where arrests are not made, equipment and product are seized, asset forfeiture is in play, and confidential doctor/patient records are seized without court order, in direct violation of Federal HIPPA laws -- WTF is that about?

Federal persecution of high visibility cannabis activists, such as Marc Emery, are continuing without pause, including internationally with DEA "encouragement" -- notable busts in California, Colorado, and Soma's bust in the Czech Republic come to mind immediately.

And in a new escalation of the War on Drugs / War on People, the Feds are now using leverage over disbursal of State block grants to force MMJ states to enforce DUI/DUID laws based upon testing procedures that only test for the presence of cannabis metabolites in the driver's system, which only determines whether the driver has ingested cannabis in the past 30 to 60 days, rather than on actual driver impairment. That represents a major ramp up in enforcement, IMHO.

So, a case could be made that there has either been no improvement under Obama, with a minor +/- bit of wiggle room on either side of the issue, depending upon what you value. Personally, I value freedom and liberty without living in a fascist police state.

You are missing the point. If the repubs take control, he will have influence on MMJ policy and we all know his position. Now on the current situation, Do you truly believe the MMJ movemgnt has gone backward in the current administration from the former administration? If you do, please explain or just continue to shine with your unsubstantiated bias.


There are some people so satisfied with the current medical situation in CA that they do not even want prop 19 to pass. Mhhh.. I wonder why???



Kinda wandering off topic again. Happens a lot with you. This isn't about how the feds squander their budget on "Nanny State" programs.



What was promised, was delivered on this one... Prove it wrong...

 

[David762]

You've got that right.

You've got that right.

That's why I'm sticking with supporting the USA Green Party. I am absolutely done with either Democrats or Republicans -- they represent two wings of the fascist police state corporatist party.
< http://www.therealdifference.org/issues.html > shows what's what.

I'm with gramps-I don't believe for one minute that either side of the isle really cares about the country. They may start out with ideals of change, but the way I see it, republicants and demoncats get votes and make promises while getting paid and finding loop holes as all of us get screwed.

 

[Neo 420]

Obama and Holder promised that Federal LEOs would not get involved in enforcing Federal laws in MMJ states -- words versus deeds. In reality, DEA raids in MMJ states have continued since that time. Even where arrests are not made, equipment and product are seized, asset forfeiture is in play, and confidential doctor/patient records are seized without court order, in direct violation of Federal HIPPA laws -- WTF is that about?

Even slow progress is considered progress.... As in reference to your raids, equipment seizures and record violations, it really depends if the state/city/local really backs their own MMJ policies. In those scenarios the local leo will have involvement and may have even alerted the feds to the activity. And then you have the other side of the coin where you have illegal operations involved with club dispensing or care taking (and that includes not paying taxes!) And we can fortunately throw in the scenario's of the individuals and business that are vindicated or given restitution. (There are plenty) The MMJ movement's and resist-ant's are so dynamic and complex it is extremely hard to measure in metrics.
Lets take a look at Marc EMery since you bring him up. Of course we feel it should be legal to sell seeds like he did but when you are aggressive and direct as he was, (remember this is illegal....) I for one expect for him to be on someones radar. How you think most growers and MJ movers stay in business? STAY OFF THE RADAR!! Marc helped the community definitely (And that itself is debated by some) but he was soooo defiant towards the law.... Lets look at someone not quite as famous as Marc.

Chris Bartkowicz of Colorado
This guy has no license or permit for growing/dispensing or care-giving and he parades on the national new his 300+ plant count grow and boasts about making 250,000 a year...TAX FREE.. Next thing ya know ...he is be charged federally. Yes it shame..Yes it should not be illegal...But this is serious and there unfortunately rules and regulations that must be followed till this is embraced by the mainstream with most unfounded taboo's erased and it doesn't happen in a day.

Perfect NO...Progress YES

So, a case could be made that there has either been no improvement under Obama, with a minor +/- bit of wiggle room on either side of the issue, depending upon what you value. Personally, I value freedom and liberty without living in a fascist police state.

So a case could be made there has been improvement. There are hundreds if not thousands of clubs and caregivers that do operate and operate not in fear.....
Progress is progress

 

[whiterasta]

Feels like the end of the Carter administration all over again.
If so expect a really drastic reversal of progress. When Reagan took over from Carter we got a whole new level of hell as Cannabis users. I expect the same if a similar change occurs this cycle.
It will weed out the noobs again and drive prices back up. It will also kill the dispensary, but untl they kill the states rights issue the med laws will stand weakly and be undermined.
Smith is a fool and a symptom of not our Gov. but the thinking of the people who elect him.
In that the only real change os when the ones electing these zealots are educated and have a more rational view on Cannabis

 

[dagnabit]

Feels like the end of the Carter administration all over again.
If so expect a really drastic reversal of progress. When Reagan took over from Carter we got a whole new level of hell as Cannabis users. I expect the same if a similar change occurs this cycle.
It will weed out the noobs again and drive prices back up. It will also kill the dispensary, but untl they kill the states rights issue the med laws will stand weakly and be undermined.
Smith is a fool and a symptom of not our Gov. but the thinking of the people who elect him.
In that the only real change os when the ones electing these zealots are educated and have a more rational view on Cannabis

the other issue is cannabis freedom has become a laughing stock.
just watch how B.H.O. reacts to the question @ the "internet" town hall he had.
how many times did it come up in the '08 debates?
but the question "do you believe in evolution" was asked?!?!?!?!?

until the ignorant masses SEE imprisoned mothers and children on the television as victims rather than "another stoner" we will remain fucked..

well that and so called "heads" defending the feds raiding clinics....