What a sorry state of affairs...
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well....if I feel that the political structure in one place on the planet is too restrictive towards me and my family.....and it deprives me of certain freedoms....rather than just talking about it........do something about it....
...Either become a politician yourself and get muddy in the murky waters of politics......or move to a place where you feel more comfortable.......generally I just move, but that's because I'm a Gypsy.....
*oh.....you could also try armed insurrection.......but I wouldn't suggest you do that.....you would just be labeled a terrorist and have an army with unlimited funds hunting you....
...Either become a politician yourself and get muddy in the murky waters of politics......or move to a place where you feel more comfortable.......generally I just move, but that's because I'm a Gypsy.....
*oh.....you could also try armed insurrection.......but I wouldn't suggest you do that.....you would just be labeled a terrorist and have an army with unlimited funds hunting you....
You talk like you're thinking globally but then when you get down to it you're really just interested in the USA because that's the politics you're indicating you want to talk about. The question is though, why should people from Germany, France, Spain, The Netherlands, Greece, Italy and so on, have to endure American Politics? It means very little to them and the way American's typically "discuss" politics only serves to strengthen the poor image of Americans that many non Americans hold. If the site allowed politics then whose politics should it be? Shouldn't we allow a forum for every country then just to be fair even if the members from other countries aren't interested? Or do we do it by the nationality of the majority of members would that be fair? What if the majority weren't Americans would it still be fair? Should the site cater to just a portion of it's membership?
I hear you on the inability to discuss these things in a calm rational manner, that truely is a sorry state of affairs. Nevertheless that inability does exist in topics like politics and religion which is likely why those topics are banned. There is no right or wrong position in these topics, just opinions and you know what they say about opinions, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink except your own." Like for example you're an Independent American who believes Conservatism is the only hope for America's future. Whereas I'm an Independent American that sees Conservatism as what has brought the American economy to the edge of failing by trusting greedy corporations to do the right thing with few if any regulations insuring that they actually do the right thing.
Actually I have but good point, it really is quite rare because it requires actual facts supporting an opposing opinion for someone to see their opinion is perhaps more emotion then logic. Actual facts are very rare in political debates even though facts are usually the best support for a given position or view within a debate.
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I'll take that as a yes, then. You require the waiver.
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Believe me...I tried! I was ready to run until I found out the requirements. I'd be wasting my time, tens of thousands of signatures...advertising...not with my budget. Besides, independents get less than 1% here. I ALWAYS vote for them...because I know what they went through to get there. They REALLY want that job. The Reps/Dems won't have be...I'd be a rogue.
It's funny you should mention that...I'm working on N CA as I type...I have been trying to sell my place...paid for in full, so I can't just walk away like some some folks can.
I think you're on to something...the gypsy thing. I've asked in another thread recommendation where to go...I'm not sure. I was thinking Vegas for a while...have some fun...then off to CA for some growing. I'd like to make it a serious full time retirement hobby.
Why DO they endure American politics? ARE we that powerful? Then I guess American politics is all that matters...got to get that in line first, then work on the small stuff...right?
You might not have guessed...but I'm not a big believer in "minority rights". If you want something that bed...go make your own place where you all agree...and work together. I believe in "human rights" as in "I" have the right as a human to do whatever "I" feel is right as long as I don't harm anyone else purposely. I will show you the same respect...you can do whatever you like as long as you don't interfere with me. I don't expect you to bother me, I don't expect you to beg. You do your thing and I do mine. I also believe "if you don't work in the garden...you don't eat". I HATE welfare!
Then it wasn't "conservatism" that failed...it was Greedy Corporations...right? Conservatism as I read it is nothing more than not spending more money than you have to. And ESPECIALLY not going into debt for entitlement programs. If we don't have the cash on the table...we don't borrow to give it away. And we are...because we borrow. They may SAY it's for another "project", but in the end...we're borrowing money...and we're giving money away. I say we go dollar for dollar...cut back on welfare until we're no longer having to borrow. If that's unacceptable...then cut something else to bring the borrowing back to zero.
First of all Fox News is anything but News, then again most News really isn't News but rather a distraction from the real news going on at the moment.
Also maybe if you're going to try to discuss politics you should try to do so in a way where you're not telling people what they do or think. My representatives aren't doing anything to me because none of them have ever been elected to a position of power to be able to do anything to me. Nor is my head buried in the sand. I see very clearly how the two major parties prevent any other parties from gaining enough traction to make a difference. If I could have my way I'd impose mandatory 2 term limits on every political office, I'd do away with the electoral college, I'd ban outside contributions to political campaigns, the only office a seated politician could run for would be the second term of the seat they already have. After that I'd tried to get the country to recognize that 30% turnout at the polls isn't a news worthy event to be celebrated but rather a national disgrace.
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They don't endure it because most of them don't want to discuss it on a canna site but if you opened up a political forum here the majority speaking in it would be Americans speaking about American politics but Americans aren't the majority on the site so they (the non American majority) would be forced to endure having something they don't want (a political forum) on this site.
Okay so maybe I should have said Conservatism as it exists in American politics failed. Conservatism in America claims to be about responsible spending but isn't. The vast majority of our national debt was accumulated under "conservative" leadership as it exists in America. The Conservatism you speak of doesn't exist in American politics other then as a smoke and mirrors trick to lure in those who are easily misled.
Oh and by the way in case you haven't noticed you've been allowed a political soapbox to express your views for two days now and people have discussed your views with you. So is it really censorship you're mad about or the fact that your thoughts aren't being immortalized for future members?
Realize that perhaps we all have more freedoms in this day and age than our predecessors/ancestors had.......and we do have many more choices to go where we please...
I come from very humble origins.....and I can go when I want or need to go, whenever I feel the need.....and where-ever .....unless you are talking about outer space I suppose?
You choose to live in one country......and I choose to live in any country I choose to live in......simple really....
reverting to an old-old cliche'....'If ya can't stand the heat.....e.t.c.'
I come from very humble origins.....and I can go when I want or need to go, whenever I feel the need.....and where-ever .....unless you are talking about outer space I suppose?
You choose to live in one country......and I choose to live in any country I choose to live in......simple really....
reverting to an old-old cliche'....'If ya can't stand the heat.....e.t.c.'
Did you just say "Shark Tank"???
Bring it back and also Uncle Ben and then throw in some Old Pink and we can get ourselves a cage match The old OG shark tank days were Epic in a car crash sort of way
2 things:
1. Where on earth is there a country in which individual perception of right and wrong supersedes that society's collectively agreed on definition of right and wrong? Is there anywhere that lets yo do anything you please, as long as you don't think it is doing any harm?
2. The lifestyle of the average 'westerner' does do harm to others.
I'm a non-religious, anti-war Conservative and I completely agree with your sentiment. I would have phrased it as "Neo-Con" philosophy has failed.
However, I also believe that Neo-Liberal philosophy dominates the other side. They are both Corporatist in their actions and corrupted to the core. I do believe there is a false left-right paradigm that dominates modern day politics in this country.
I also believe that the reason American politics has become so heated is because our political system is at the end of it's road and people are beginning to realize that we are more or less a failed state. The people across all political spectrums are mad and probably only going to get madder as we progress through what, IMO, will be Revolution 2.0. Be it peaceful or violent.
This is only the beginning of it though. We are done with cyclical political and economic cycles. IMO, we entering a massive secular change. Demographics of the aging population plays a considerable part in it. I try my best to not get too political on here these days. It's hard for me though as I'm a political science major lol. I see politics in everything as politics is an extension of philosophy.
I love the spirit of our Constitution. I signed up to die for it. I despise the bankster tyranny we have become and I fear for our freedom in the future.
I tend to look at my life from a global perspective.......and don't pay much mind to American politics unless it's cannabis related....
I guess a whole bunch of you guys/gals live in the U.S.A. and possibly don't travel or think much beyond those borders?
There is a much bigger picture out there......and if you look at America from say Asia or Africa, Australasia, or even Europe.......it's a long way away and doesn't really make a lot of difference to you in daily life.......hence the difference between a local and global perspective.....
and....really what made America what it is today was people choosing to 'up stakes' from where ever they were in the world and moving there........it might well work the other way in the future.....
I guess a whole bunch of you guys/gals live in the U.S.A. and possibly don't travel or think much beyond those borders?
There is a much bigger picture out there......and if you look at America from say Asia or Africa, Australasia, or even Europe.......it's a long way away and doesn't really make a lot of difference to you in daily life.......hence the difference between a local and global perspective.....
and....really what made America what it is today was people choosing to 'up stakes' from where ever they were in the world and moving there........it might well work the other way in the future.....
Give them a little Fight Club forum.
NOW I understand your quote...
You're blaming the wrong people AGAIN...it's not conservatives you dislike...it's the Republican party. THEY had the power. Vote for neither if you want real change... Ooops...sorry.
I'm a non-religious, anti-war Conservative and I completely agree with your sentiment. I would have phrased it as "Neo-Con" philosophy has failed.
However, I also believe that Neo-Liberal philosophy dominates the other side. They are both Corporatist in their actions and corrupted to the core. I do believe there is a false left-right paradigm that dominates modern day politics in this country.
I also believe that the reason American politics has become so heated is because our political system is at the end of it's road and people are beginning to realize that we are more or less a failed state. The people across all political spectrums are mad and probably only going to get madder as we progress through what, IMO, will be Revolution 2.0. Be it peaceful or violent.
I try my best to not get too political on here these days. It's hard for me though as I'm a political science major lol. I see politics in everything as politics is an extension of philosophy.
I love the spirit of our Constitution. I signed up to die for it. I despise the bankster tyranny we have become and I fear for our freedom in the future.
Bingo! NO political system has EVER worked. They ALL fall apart...from corruption.
Yup, us old people...the boomers...we're on our way out. You guys are left with the bill. What are you going to do?
That's what I was trying to convey to the others...politics enters into EVERYTHING. Your marriage is political.
People are blaming the wrong people for our mess. The problem is the system. The system is broken, it's become corrupt. Revolution 2.0 IS coming. It will come in full force when there is half the population over 50 and needing support...with nothing to support them with. Overpopulation buddy...it's a bitch! The young people, never having to "do" anything for themselves will be lost deer in the headlights. I see lots of starving. But I can be a fatalist sometimes...
Enough of that...it's political.
Bottom line...we own it, we tried it, it gets fucked up, sorry.
You can close it now if you'd like. We're moving off topic.
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