Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

[TruthOrLie]

Right I'm the one hiding? That is why I openly declared income from being a "pharmaceutical and medicine mfg." with a specific product of "medicinal cannabis" to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Yea, there it is right there...

You said you openly declared income from being a pot dealer for medical purposes.

What's so wrong and evil about openly declaring income from being a pot dealer for RECREATIONAL purposes?

 

[215forLife]

215forlife... didn't you start your last post with a declaration that you openly and willingly paid TAXES to the government for marijuana?

What's the problem, I don't get it.

Federal Law already requires (and there aren't any loopholes) that ALL INCOME generated by United States citizens and businesses MUST BE REPORTED. The only Government with any authority to tax cannabis legally currently is actually the FEDS. And they take 40% and you can't deduct shit.

If you don't report income its called Money Laundering. I remember when there used to be a thread a month on here with people asking how to make their weed money legit.

You can read more by checking this out.
http://law.onecle.com/tax/2007/champ.tc.wpd001.html
It's the CHAMP case. Basically the IRS fucked them because they claimed DEDUCTIONS for selling weed...

 

[215forLife]

Yea, there it is right there...

You said you openly declared income from being a pot dealer for medical purposes.

What's so wrong and evil about openly declaring income from being a pot dealer for RECREATIONAL purposes?

I was merely pointing out that either Prop 19 is unconstitutional per the California State Constitution or it requires a 2/3rd's voter approval. I wasn't talking about the morality of paying said taxes.

 

[dagnabit]

Right I'm the one hiding? That is why I openly declared income from being a "pharmaceutical and medicine mfg." with a specific product of "medicinal cannabis" to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.




It doesn't create any new taxes? What the fuck are you smoking? I want some of that shit.


Hrmmm the title says tax




The Intent and purposes clearly state its for TAXES.







Wow prop 19 already says they can punish us for not paying.......

TAXES...


Do I see the word TAXES again in prop 19????
I'm pretty sure that is what it says yet again...





WOW there is a whole section about Collection of Taxes... READ IT!!!




WOW It says TAXES without LIMITATION...



WOW it's a square foot tax... which equals a property tax for growing crops which is also unconstitutional.





IT CREATES AND AUTHORIZES UNLIMITED TAXATION...


The California Constitution. When I was a kid we were forced by law to go to school. One of the things they taught us in school was Reading and reading comprehension. Also in school (college) I took a few law classes (Criminal, Constitutional, and Business) in which we were taught how to READ, RESEARCH, and COMPREHEND the LAW.

You can read the California State Constitution for yourself here:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/const-toc.html

at what percent is the "new tax" created by 19?
what is taxed?
i notice you completely ignored this..

yes but technically (what is most important when dealing with courts and constitutional challenges) it does NOT create the tax like amiano's prop did with the $50.00 flat rate.

no it leaves the creation of the new tax up to the municipalities. because it leaves them the option to not tax at all,it would not be considered a new tax created by this bill either.

this prop is carefully written to AVOID the constitutional conflict you think you have found..

as for hiding?

post that pick of you "standing in front of a cop" again? LOL

there is no tax created by 19..

if there were you could provide the amount and how it is to be implemented.

this is legal wrangling at its finest.

it provides for the creation of taxes but does not create the taxes itself.

therefore not requiring the 2/3 majority you think it does...

it's actually a brilliant stroke.

 

[Hammerhead]

vote yes on prop 19. Don'T be afraid of change

 

[215forLife]

vote yes on prop 19. Don'T be afraid of change

G O O D L U C K
YOU ARE GOING
TO NEED A L O T
OF VOTES
2/3'rds OF ALL THE VOTES SURE IS ALOT.

 

[Hammerhead]

Thanks for the encouragement. im sure we will all do what right in Nov. If we dont There's not much more to talk about is there. I will keep my med grow growing just like I have now i WILL HELP AS MANY PEOPLE AS I CAN GET THERE MEDS WITHOUT BEING RAPED BY GREEDY PEOPLE.

 

[dagnabit]

we will only need 50+1% ive explained it to you twice

 

[erbium]

It will pass. Look at the numbers here and this is a site for growers.

Greed will be your downfall. Enjoy living in a box since you never learned how to work!!

 

[forty]

prop 19 will trump prop 215 laws to the advantage of dick lee and co.. it's a power grab in disguise.. read it and don't fall for it.

 

[McDank8O5]

ouch lots of hate for those of us living here in opposition of the prop... guess im joining 'the dark side' with my no vote.

too much of a gray area and very very loosely worded! also it puts a few rights ive learn to love being a medical patient on the chopping block, notice i said rights, not limits.

as much as i would love to see maryjane legalized this is sadly not legalization... beer is legal seeing as their no limit on how much i can possess, i can make as much brew as i want, i can drink infront of my kids perfectly legally. But with prop 19 the government wants to regulate how much weed i can possess? and they want to fine and arrest me for medicating in the presence of my kids? i can smoke tobacco infront of them, that is proven to kill!

some prop huh

 

[Hammerhead]

yes and no. You can have as much cannabis as you can grow in 25'. You can not smoke in front of your kids for a good reason IMO and thats due to 2nd hand smoke do you want your 8 year old to be stoned because u wanted to great high. I feel no one should be smoking anything in front of there kids. You might see it as not legalized but it is. If it passes you will legally be allowed to cultivate cannabis right now you can not. You will be legally capable of buying up to an oz from a store most likely a dispensary. You need to use some common sense here. Your children can not get intoxicated from it being near to them. Cannabis is different they can get very intoxicated from them being near you when you smoke. I can grow allot of cannabis in a 5x5 thats like 3-4 harvest per year im thinking 4-6lbs if you need more then that u should be a med user. I have not seen any arguments that substantiate your fears or anyone else. there just is not any. just an FYI if you smoke cannabis in front of any children now it is illegal so this is not something new that was added. It always ends up being about Money. And you feel it's ok to smoke knowing it could kill them. wow

 

[Hydrosun]

You can not smoke in front of your kids for a good reason IMO and thats due to 2nd hand smoke do you want your 8 year old to be stoned because u wanted to great high. I feel no one should be smoking anything in front of there kids. just an FYI if you smoke cannabis in front of any children now it is illegal so this is not something new that was added.

I could be very wrong but right now there is NO law against smoking cigs or MJ in front of your children. No added penalties to the possession if you happen to have a kid in the house.

I agree with you HH that this probably shouldn't be done, but even though I don't think parents or adults should smoke cigs or mj in front of kids; I don't think we should be sending those smokers who do smoke in front of kids to prison.

The new penalties for you smoking your meds at a family BBQ don't need to be there.

 

[mullray]

I could be very wrong but right now there is NO law against smoking cigs or MJ in front of your children. No added penalties to the possession if you happen to have a kid in the house.

I agree with you HH that this probably shouldn't be done, but even though I don't think parents or adults should smoke cigs or mj in front of kids; I don't think we should be sending those smokers who do smoke in front of kids to prison.

The new penalties for you smoking your meds at a family BBQ don't need to be there.

You are wrong. It's called child endangerment re mj. DEA can kick in your door, shoot your dogs, terrorize otherwise law abiding citizens - hell they can even shoot you and then charge you for child endangerment if they find so much as a bong. Funny old world aint it?

 

[dagnabit]

I could be very wrong but right now there is NO law against smoking cigs or MJ in front of your children. No added penalties to the possession if you happen to have a kid in the house.

I agree with you HH that this probably shouldn't be done, but even though I don't think parents or adults should smoke cigs or mj in front of kids; I don't think we should be sending those smokers who do smoke in front of kids to prison.

The new penalties for you smoking your meds at a family BBQ don't need to be there.

not a single NEW penalty if you just do the cross referencing..

just read H&S 272-1-a as referenced by 19 and you will understand the "child endangerment" provision in 19 is actually a LESSENING of current law!
this new penalty for possession/use in the presence of a minor is bullshit made up by a prohibitionist whore named "dragonfly".

and 19 does not mention bbq

 

[dagnabit]

where is the "right bill"?
what does it say?
who is paying to get it on the ballot?
who is paying for the marketing?

im still waiting for a single prohibitionist to answer these....

 

[dagnabit]

prop 19 will trump prop 215 laws to the advantage of dick lee and co.. it's a power grab in disguise.. read it and don't fall for it.

citations needed....

 

[megaton1]

it doesn't mention bbq, but it does say that you have to be in your house right? If I can't sit in my own backyard and smoke a joint then how legal is it?

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Id HAVE to guess that all of you complaining about not being able to smoke weed and blow it in your kids face probably dont have kids>??? at least i hope not>>> can we vasectomys for these people???

 

[♥Mo♥]

I could be very wrong but right now there is NO law against smoking cigs or MJ in front of your children. No added penalties to the possession if you happen to have a kid in the house.

I agree with you HH that this probably shouldn't be done, but even though I don't think parents or adults should smoke cigs or mj in front of kids; I don't think we should be sending those smokers who do smoke in front of kids to prison.

The new penalties for you smoking your meds at a family BBQ don't need to be there.

Not sure if there is a penalty/fine for smoking cig's in the house in Cali., but smoke a cig. in a car with anyone under the age of 18 and it is a $100 fine. Just took the driving written test last week and it was one of the questions.

Some of the statements made here really make me wonder if some of you have even read the proposition yet.

Cannabis and tobacco should never be compared as they are similar only in the manner that they are ingested. Before the old timers and such jump up and down, yes there have been a "few" therapeutic uses of tobacco,ok, but nothing compared to cannabis. Tobacco smoke when inhaled "coats" the lungs and when exhaled does contain carcinogenic smoke that can be harmful. Cannabis when inhaled then exhaled has no harmful exhausts as the lungs "absorb" most of the cannabinoids and such from the smoke. The "second hand" smoke really does not apply. I personally don't think it should be flaunted nor should it be hidden from kids, education is key.

For now prop.19 is about as good as it is going to get. The only break in the ice. Every day cannabis is illegal there is millions being made to continue the vicious enforcement of the war on cannabis. Why let it continue? The prop.19 imo is only to appease the people and stall until big business can take over. Who cares, is not almost everything run by big business anyway? Life is short and good, lets live it free like it should be.