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Vote YES or NO on Prop 19

Vote YES or NO on Prop 19


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Feb2006er

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I would like to know what % of in state residents vs out of state residents want Prop 19 passed, or not.


I am an in state resident who will be voting NO for the following reasons:
§11300 legalizes possession, processing, and transportation of up to an ounce for personal consumption and cultivation of up to 25 square-feet for personal use. It also prohibits consumption in public and smoking marijuana anywhere children are present as well as sales except by licensed vendors. Neither the words "city", "county", or "local government" appear in this section. Since the impact of this initiative on California's current medical marijuana laws is exempted only for "cities" and only with regard to "sales", "tax", "possession" and "consumption" of marijuana, it could be interpreted to set limits for patients on possession and consumption in unincorporated areas where the local jurisdiction is the county.
Since "cultivation" is nowhere in the document related to the exemption for current California medical marijuana law, ROT 2010 could be used to set marijuana cultivation limits statewide, for medical patients as well as recreational users.
This is all the more likely because recently the California Court of Appeals struck California Health & Safety Code §11362.77 enacted by the legislature which limits the number of plants and weight of dried bud medical marijuana patients can have because it conflicts with Proposition 215 (§11362.5) which has no limits. This matter is currently on appeal to the California Supreme Court.
Since ROT 2010 as an initiative has the same authority as Proposition 215 and is 14 years afterwards, it could well be argued that it was the intent of the voters to set limits where there were none, or to allow each city or county to set limits on how much patients may cultivate and possess. This possibility is further supported by the conspicuous absence of Health & Safety Codes 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.83 in the list of California laws ROT 2010 is not intended to affect in Section 2, C - Intent.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2009m8d16-Oaklands-marijuana-legalization-initiative-is-still-a-Trojan-Horse
 

GanjaAL

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I am a SoCal resident, registered voter, Vet and MMJ patient. I fallow the leader of leaders for the end of prohibition by Decriminalization and that man was/is Jack Herer who did not support Prop 19. He had seen it for what it is... taxation and nothing more.

The proof... Mr. Richard Lee's facility which will crank out a mega 60 pounds a day.

I am for the Decriminaliztion of our beloved plant and not the enslavement of it through taxation.

I do not knock Mr. Lee for what he is doing... just do not feed me a line of bull. Just tell it like it is.
 
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JackTheGrower

Yeah! So lets keep putting tens of thousands of people into the system...for Jack and Dennis.

In the spirit of vigorous debate.

Why is total freedom for the people with cannabis wrong?

Isn't limiting commercial production the right way to deal with cannabis?

With Tax2010 we are limiting the people but not the commercial production.

It is Ass-Backwards Legalization. Trying to keep it as illegal as possible and introducing great criminalities for tokers over 18 but less than 21.
Just passing a joint from a 20 year old to a 20 year old means what a year in prison? A Felony conviction for drugs? Ruined employment opportunities?

I welcome comment.
 

GanjaAL

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Money is blinding as well as desperation. Everyone is so desperate to be able to smoke that it is blinding them to the horror that is prop19.

Funny thing is... if you have to have a beer to relax when you get home as a stress reliever... why cant you just go down and get a rec and be able to have your smoke??? U can carry 8oz and smoke it just about anywhere you want... not to mention no real restirctions on growing at all as long as you can prove the need.

Now that is legalization!
 
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JackTheGrower

There was a "latest" poll cycle but it has to be approved by Gypsy ultimately.

You do understand that this is the most conservative business oriented grab at a potentially Trillion Dollar business.

It is a vision of a market rather than a realization of decades long struggles against prohibition paid for by the very people they need to vote Yes on Prop 19.
 

Flux451

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Seems all backwards

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality"
-Michael Ellner

Now TC2010 is looking to outlaw the community of growers (and a bunch of jerks sure) responsible for my happy childhood and ascend cannabis into the industrial lime light while lowering the network of growers whether they be expert breeders, perpetual contractors, or amateurs to small and quite 'personal' gardens

It is the centralization of power. Soviergn powers are always being attacked and beat out so that things are copasetic to the powers at be. Let me ask you this, in the great diversity of democratic laboratories we call the USA, why is it that a success in one area must be subsumed and spread throughout like a tablespoon of butter over the loaf of USA.

With green building, organics and health food being on the rise - I personally think this is a bad thing for Oakland. A few big fish in the smaller ponds use avid maybe, but besides that I have seen (and nudged) a good few with completely healthy practice

Yeah Oakland has fires? Change is good and energy is stagnant anyways so... If TC2010 passes overtime fewer amateurs wiring DIY guys are going to burn their house down, regardless a better measure would have better effects.

-I believe it should not be legal to sell to someone who is a minor while at the same time, I loved weed and started 'sharing' it with the best of friends at a ripe young age
-My main concern is that plant and sq. ft. restrictions are at least fours times more then 5x5ft and that diversity is protected
 
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JackTheGrower

https://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=1760

A video from the Wise Cat Stevens.

Don't be shy just let your feelings roll on by
Don't wear fear or nobody will know you're there
Just lift your head, and let your feelings out instead
And don't be shy, just let your feeling roll on by
On by

You know love is better than a song
Love is where all of us belong
So don't be shy just let your feelings roll on by
Don't wear fear or nobody will know you're there
You're there

Don't be shy just let your feelings roll on by
Don't wear fear or nobody will know you're there
Just lift your head, and let your feelings out instead
And don't be shy, just let your feeling roll on by
On by, on by, on by, on by, etc.

We are laying the foundation of our Cannabis Future.
 

vta

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In the spirit of vigorous debate.

Why is total freedom for the people with cannabis wrong?

You want to debate me...with that? 1st what makes you think I'm against total freedom? Because I am voting yes on 19? Well I am not against ANY form of freedom :)

Isn't limiting commercial production the right way to deal with cannabis?

So, just to make sure we are taking about the same thing...if your referring to bringing and limiting this commodity{Any bulk good traded on an exchange or in the cash market}, cannabis, to the open legal market, then no. Just as I feel there shouldn't be any limits on the number of Med clubs. We can all sit here, stoned, and dream of the perfect scenario. One where everyone currently in the black market side makes it to the legal side and prospers. Or whatever 'your' dream may be. I happen to be a realist. And in an 'open legal market' capitalism is the name of the game.{not for you Jack but someone else may need a refresher..Capitalism: An economic system based on a free market, open competition, profit motive and private ownership of the means of production. Capitalism encourages private investment and business, compared to a government-controlled economy. Investors in these private companies (i.e. shareholders) also own the firms and are known as capitalists.} Weather it's wrong or right...that is what our Country is based on..so that's the real world. To try and deviate from that would mean only one thing...Government run. Because the recent on goings in Oakland deviate from this basic principle, they will fail. In the respect that they are setting up a system with the potential to have fraud, kick backs, pay offs and a more corrupt regulatory system by limiting the number to only a few.

I grew up right here in America and one of the things you always hear growing up is, "You can do anything you want in life" Well If I want to setup say a clone business in Oakland next year...I'd be Fucked. Because I don't have the big money or the political connections to be one of the '4'. Doesn't sound like the America I grew up in...sounds like some commie obama socialistic regime to me. How's your health care btw.

With Tax2010 we are limiting the people but not the commercial production.

It is Ass-Backwards Legalization. Trying to keep it as illegal as possible and introducing great criminalities for tokers over 18 but less than 21.
Just passing a joint from a 20 year old to a 20 year old means what a year in prison? A Felony conviction for drugs? Ruined employment opportunities?

I welcome comment.


Not much to debate here...
I don't believe in limits for amateur growers, although I would feel a bit worried if I knew the meth head living in the apartment next to me had a 5k grow stuffed in a bedroom. So there is the safety aspect.

Also, I don't agree with or endorse the new felonies created for our younger stoners. That is a really bad, if not the worst part, of this law.

In 2007 we had a total of 2,249,727 persons ages 18-21 residing in California. In that same year we had a total of 26,101,005 persons aged between 21 and 105 residing here. To me the math is easy. It is very unfortunate that penalties are increased for a small minority of the population...but I got to go with the masses as 'I' feel it will keep more people out of the criminal justice system. Being a realist an all.:tiphat:
 
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JackTheGrower

Market Smarket..

People is my point.. Why is it that Cannabis Legalization has to relate to a market VTA?

I believe we are blinded by money here.
 

Mud Man

Sumthink Stinks
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PORTUGAL got it right.........
This debate is so important, i feel right now, shit has gotta change...
The taxing bastards have never had the keys, they could never tax the seed, it eluded them: we won, so they lock us up with scum thieves and murders and make us live in fear.

Bann all punishment and let the 60 pound a day crew do what they want, i would not buy it, i would do my own and feel safe and not feel like a criminal....

I see all points and if i lived in Cali i would vote yes... But as it gets bigger, it will end up with
Marlborough Kush
Camel Kush
Benson and Green Hedges....

So i can see why NO is getting chucked about...

am i in the firing line for sitting on the fence here???
 
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JackTheGrower

Pardon the delay in replying.

The best reply I can give is we can do better than Prop 19 like the right for each Adult to have a garden no mater how many live in one house. Prop 19 only allows Property to grow Cannabis not people.
 
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