feminized plant used for making seed

[cannaboy]

"Talking shit on a next level"

 

[stagger lee]

well said cannaboy. Rick I dont fear anything about feminized, as a matter of fact Im sure feminized genetics has a huge place in the near future. I will try 2 make this quick. I was really lucky to be a part of one of the 1st cannabis clubs in SF. growing alongside some incredable N Cali growers. I started by doing massage for the SF,and Oakland club as an externship for my massage school NHI in emeryville(berkley border). then started supplying it with buds,clones,ect.. at the time feminized seeds were very new and every grower that tried 'em had probs. big probs, loosing entire crops and every strain they had going at the time. And it was that time spent working w/the clubs that feminized genetics left a bad taste in my mouth .That was a long time ago and I have to be retarded not to see the advances feminized genetics have made since. every summer Im fulltime outdoor grower .I also stock several people each spring w/clones and seeds of different varieties. We tried feminized 3yrs ago and lost the(small test) plot to a herm prob that wasnt caught in time. Im all for all female seed. Fuck who wouldnt be? But I grow my seedcrops indoors during winter and until I can grow my own feminized (Im not paying the loot needed for the large amount of feminized seed on the market) standard seeds have been/are the answer. fuck gotta go! sorry... be back!

 

[englishrick]

have i said anything inapropreate?

 

[Dalaihempy]

A charm approach is the way forward hoosierdaddy i am starting to think you need to add more sativa into your diet.

You cant bring any real research on fem seeds because there is nil no one apart from dutch passion in the industry has done any let alone researchers with scientific back grounds.

This topic is about to heat up and i don't mean in this post i think many people are starting to become very concerned about the fem seed market for many reasons we are moving forward on the medical cannabis front yet i as are many others feel we are going side ways on a few fronts this being one.

 

[StrictlyGateway]

Rick are you saying that feminized genetics - the natural occurance of monoecious specimines are somehow saving the "doomed"cannabis genepool? Using the word hermaphrodite(instead of monoecious) is no different than using the term strain instead of cultivar or variety. Feminized genetics, or the monoecious specimines arent doing anything for the cannabis genepool.

wtf are you talking about? this is a total misuse of terms. Cannabis sativa is a dioecious species...it has male and female on separate and distinct individuals. just because a member of a population suddenly produces traits of the opposite sex in order to survive, does not mean that it's suddenly monoecious...or that there is such a thing as monoecious specimines. why do you even insert the word monoecious into this debate? we are talking about feminized seeds and the question of whether individuals in a population may express hermaphoditic traits. don't try to muddy the waters with extraneous info that is not pertinent, relative, or accurate.

 

[englishrick]

no,,,imo,,he is correct,,,his terms sound good too

cannabis has no confirmed hemaphrodites,,,,everytime we see a sexualy bipotant plant it wont fit into the hemaphrodite cattagory,,,,but it will fit into the monoecious cattagory ,,,so when people use the word "hemaphrodite" in relation to cannabis they are actualy using the word inaccuratley,,,

Cannabis sativa is a dioecious species

bro,,,most canna texbooks and papers start with this line^^^^,,,,,,,,but usaly they say,,,,"Cannabis is normaly a dioecious species",,,,,,point being its not absoloute,,,cannabis has naturaly accuring monoecous inderviduals within its population

 

[darwinsbulldog]

wtf are you talking about? this is a total misuse of terms. Cannabis sativa is a dioecious species...it has male and female on separate and distinct individuals. just because a member of a population suddenly produces traits of the opposite sex in order to survive, does not mean that it's suddenly monoecious...or that there is such a thing as monoecious specimines. why do you even insert the word monoecious into this debate? we are talking about feminized seeds and the question of whether individuals in a population may express hermaphoditic traits. don't try to muddy the waters with extraneous info that is not pertinent, relative, or accurate.

staggerlee's using the terms correctly, when a plant has male and female flowers on the same plant but separated from on other they're monoecious. if single flowers on the plant have both male and female organs in the same flower then that is a hermaphroditic plant, cannabis rarely ever becomes hermaphroditic, inducing intersex traits in a plant is inducing monoecy, because the plant produces both male and female flowers that are separate from one another, but on the same plant.

edit: good job rick, i was about to look for that diagram beat me to it haha

 

[stagger lee]

stictlygateway,

I was repeating englishricks exact words in the post right before mine. And I pretty sure he was correctly using the term. cannabis sativa(indica isnt?) is a dioecious(sp?) species thankyou I think we can all thankyou for clearing that up for us! Like I said I brought that up because thats excactly what erick said in the statement I was referring too! I beileve he's right,in use of terms but wtf who cares if using intersex,hermaphrodite, moenocious as long as we understand what the other is arguing? And Im not sure what your getting at? If some1s questioning who's correct using these terms you or erick I would go w/erick's booksmarts! See now YOU are the one going off topic. Fuuuuck gotta go again... MF'n god damn it!

 

[englishrick]

thanks man,,,i gota give you some positive rep for that 1,,,

nuff love!!



here is the full paper for that diagram

icmag,,,Heads thread,,,,,boys and girls..
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=58992&page=4



btw,,,i wish head was here,,,hes loads of fun,,,,,,where are you head bro?

 

[someotherguy]

i'll be starting my coloidal silver feminization project
next month and i can't wait, despite all the bullshit
i've seen posted here.

and i don't give a rats ass about any loss of vigor
several generations down the line.

fact is, i don't grow weed for sale and i won't be
making femmed beans for sale either, although
i'll certainly be giving many away to some good
friends.

all i'll be looking to do is to make me some femmed
backups of all my tasty genes plus crosses of all of
them so i can then spend the next several years
searching for keepers that i will then keep, lol, and
clone and clone and clone.

i'm really looking forward to crossing my ChemD
with my GDP, and my Pure Kush etc, etc, etc.

peace, SOG

btw, i recently made a boneheaded move that left
me open to a security risk so i had to let my old
handle go and, because of the risk, i'll not mention
it, but i am not a troll, nor am i hoosierdaddy, but i
have to say that in the 3 years i've been growing
and researching on these boards i've learned an
awful lot from hoosierdaddy, and not one thing
from so many of the haters in this thread.

 

[englishrick]

Rick are you saying that feminized genetics - the natural occurance of monoecious specimines are somehow saving the "doomed"cannabis genepool? Using the word hermaphrodite(instead of monoecious) is no different than using the term strain instead of cultivar or variety. Feminized genetics, or the monoecious specimines arent doing anything for the cannabis genepool.

imo,,,,some people could consider the Y`s effect on a seedline as deleterious,, as the rachet progresses the degredation continues

IMO all genepools are under the threat of extintion,,,,they are also under the threat of genetic drift,,,,with all populations "genetic divercity" is potentialy lost progressivly from 1 generation to the next trough "selection" and other violations of the hardy wineberge equilbrium ,,,,,,deleterious alleles accumulate and eventualy "fittness" has an impact on effective population numbers [Ne],,,,,that is when a population is doomed [without outcrossing],,,,

segregateing populations solves the problem of inbreeding,,,,,,,once a new population has formed and segregated itself,,,,,then they can save eachother,,,,,

 

[StrictlyGateway]

by no means was i trying to say that cannabis will not produce males on females, or vice versa. i had never seen monoecious used to refer to individuals in a population, always thought that it referred to a population (or species) as a whole. i just figured you would have an exception to the rule? the issue was somewhat semantic, but was kinda wreaking havoc in my mind (not hard). i guess i will stand corrected and have to just get used to this usage

there is also an important distinction in this argument that is causing names to be flung about, in that some are debating what is 'best' in terms of natural selection, while others are debating artificial selection. for the most part, as growers, we are using artificial selection and that will have different goals and desires in terms of genetics than will 'preserving the species'.

 

[StrictlyGateway]

i guess the follow up would be....when you self, is a bud changing to (or suddenly producing) a pollen sack? or is the plant producing a whole new male reproductive part? judging by the language being used, it is a whole new male reproductive part...right? sorry, i'm not a breeder, just in the midst of my research.

 

[darwinsbulldog]

yeah i'd say cannabis is a dioecious species, all populations are going to be predominantly dioecious, but occasionally monoecious specimens will appear, and even less frequently true hermaphrodite specimens will appear.

 

[englishrick]

yeh man,,,its a weird 1......peeps get a shock when they relize that cannabis might actualy be sub-dioecious,,,,

yeh man,,,monoecious plants in a dioceious population,,,thats how it is bro..

"sexuality" is an expreshion!,,,,,polen viability is the 1 that will fuk with your head most!!,,,,,,,,,,,how would you feel if your new virgin wife said "im pregnant" beffre you even had sex with her?,,,,"like joseph"?,,joke

 

[Silence]

Silence is just a troll and if you have good regular stock you'll have better feminizeation capeabilitys in the future period NO COMEBACKS PLEASE!! JUST SHUT UP AND REALIZE AND AGREE OR YOUR BEING AND AWKWARD BLIND TWIT!

how I'm I a trol I've called you on things and you have not responded...

If you want to learn how to breed then yes,, I can show you.. The females are half the deal. We all have been throwing males out too much as a community.. The female x female is still half of what you need,, you can self all the females in the world to get your pollen but to get the 1 you need you must grow them all.. With males you can do what every1 feminized is doing Just BETTER. You can hit like 22 males on a bitch easy no stress and get some seeds, but the males give 1 or 2 or howevermany slightly vairiable differences with no loss of genome regarding visable True traits as no reshuffel is going on just paring.. This is why saving seeds from particular seeds is the most important part of breeding. knowing what is what from what from where. propper f2's do not need anymore work.. that is why SHANTIBABA makes pure f1's because you lot all buy his shit 1 way or another,,

great 22 males on 1 fem.. are any of the males tested ? or just chuck an hope? how many were actualy males? you seem to think XX x XX is stressing a plant wtf more baseless nosense... but keep it coming proves more on you than me !!

XX outcrosses are a stress factor IMHO and youd do better with xy just most of us noobs like in the last 15 years have never seen a good genitic build up its all crap be honest thats why your looking for bullshit in bullshit,, xx compared to xy is trying to combine and just may have a 75% most likely chance to inherit a disorder or epispastic reaction leaving you in the shit,, or do you like this sort of shit going on I just want the RAW GENETICS BACK THEY WERE UNARGUEABLY THE BEST but every1 thinks that selfing will garner these traits back when they know its bottlenecked but will argue with me till their blue in the face with a far away look in their eyes.. FACT

you clearly have not read much of what I've written and many others before... do you think people use F1s to select and make S1s from ? NO they fucking don't no one is saying stop all reg breeding etc etc.. this is a tool and should be utilised.. Chim, TH, SamS anyone whos anyone will not disagree on these point... regardless of how plants get to where they do you want to produce true F1's for obvious fucking reasons... is this simple enough for all the dickheads in this and many other countless threads...

have i said anything inapropreate?

Yes ER you probably have and often do, but it doesn't stop you.... Innit

I'll just troll along.....

btw I asked about a few things in some response not one of you has responded......

Kopite

 

[hoosierdaddy]

A charm approach is the way forward hoosierdaddy

I just had to quote this little gem for posterity.

 

[englishrick]

Yes ER you probably have and often do, but it doesn't stop you.... Innit

I'll just troll along.....

btw I asked about a few things in some response not one of you has responded......

Kopite

kopite bro,,you know i love ya



people are different when they talk about fems, sometimes it seems hostile,,,,,an in-time things will change kopite bro,,,but we wont be able to do it from outside the walls of our comunity,,,as it stands this is my comunity,,,,this is all ive got asfar as weed networking gows

im not gona argue with you on this,,,,,i just think your overlooking the fact that even when im faced with a conflict of intrest and oposing opinions [however unfounded] i can still keep the love in the room,,,,,thats gota be worth some respect?

 

[Dalaihempy]

I just had to quote this little gem for posterity.

Put your seat belt on hoosierdaddy lol.

 

[englishrick]

I'll just troll along.....

btw I asked about a few things in some response not one of you has responded......

ive had a look and i cant see any questions you have asked me without me answering them,,,,,please will you point them out,,,,i saw a post about with questions about genetic load an i felt i answered them by saying im guessing the rachet is a form of genetic load


i honestly dont find your comments "trolish",,,,,but then again i know you aint being neggative out of spite