You and your "Homie" planning on hanging out and smoking in front of the cop shop?
Use a little common sense and you will never have any LEO run ins.
If your homie is 20 now, then by the time this passes he will 21 or close to turning anyway.
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Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization
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Use a little common sense and you will never have any LEO run ins.
If your homie is 20 now, then by the time this passes he will 21 or close to turning anyway.
so we have the "treat Ganja like alcohol" camp, and the "treat Ganja like lettuce" camp.
i doubt either one will lead to the other...
good luck in november, you quasi-capitalist nutjobs. have fun paying taxes on ganja plants in your imagination
BTW, sam skunkman, props for stickin to your guns, even though you are rather lofty and vague when it comes time to debate.
i doubt either one will lead to the other...
good luck in november, you quasi-capitalist nutjobs. have fun paying taxes on ganja plants in your imagination
BTW, sam skunkman, props for stickin to your guns, even though you are rather lofty and vague when it comes time to debate.
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Guest 88950
still no answer so ill ask it again.
TO ALL NO VOTERS
what are you going to bitch and moan about IF another state pushes Mr Lee's prop or one similar through and Legalization of Cannabis occurs?
you guys will be safe in your GREY AREA for a while but i suggest that yall get off "your lazy asses" and draft a prop that suits your needs and concerns.
maybe take Mr Herer's ideas and see how far that gets you. oh, thats right......its been tried and failed.
TO ALL NO VOTERS
what are you going to bitch and moan about IF another state pushes Mr Lee's prop or one similar through and Legalization of Cannabis occurs?
you guys will be safe in your GREY AREA for a while but i suggest that yall get off "your lazy asses" and draft a prop that suits your needs and concerns.
maybe take Mr Herer's ideas and see how far that gets you. oh, thats right......its been tried and failed.
could give the slightest fuck about another state .........
how about we choose to keep things the way they are. we are not lazy because we didn't draft a bill, we just don't want legalization......
prop 215 @ sb420 is fine for us NO voters........
we don't NEED to have a legalization bill........
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Guest 88950
i only used the "lazy" remark b/c i was quoting what Markcastle posted. you and others like you have harvested more in one year than ill pull my entire life so yall are definitly NOT LAZY.
i accept that the current situation is better for those that produce for the masses so i see your point and accept that for the Producers Legalization would be disastrous.
its My Opinion that once ANY state moves to Legalize Cannabis then National Medicinalization of Cannabis will occure and National Legalization will follow.
lets just hope by then Regulations regarding Cannabis will be FAIR for ALL.
i accept that the current situation is better for those that produce for the masses so i see your point and accept that for the Producers Legalization would be disastrous.
its My Opinion that once ANY state moves to Legalize Cannabis then National Medicinalization of Cannabis will occure and National Legalization will follow.
lets just hope by then Regulations regarding Cannabis will be FAIR for ALL.
yup, we can only hope! thats the whole thing, going out on a limb with this proposition, you are taking a leap of faith into the unknown. who knows what good or bad things may happen if it passes......
Richard Lee's plan. What do you think? wake up people!
Oakland City Council Looking to Close Patient Gardens
This is what happens when you buy city council members, you can convince them to grant you a legal monopoly of the medical and recreational cannabis market by outlawing personal medical gardens under the pretense of public safety and allow 4 giant commercial gardens to come in, set their own prices and force dispensaries city wide to choose from one of these 4 gardens. Im guessing rich lee will own at least 2 of them.
If Oakland city council members are worried about public safety, they might want to consider their own safety first. Destroying the livelihoods of thousands of Oaklands most well connected people will have its consequences. If you want to open a 100,000sqft warehouse in Oakland in an attempt to monopolize the medical or recreational pot market, buy fire insurance.
If your a grower in Cali and support prop 19 read this and let me know how you feel....
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New ordinance in Oakland would legalize big industrial pot farms
July 13, 2010 | Michael Montgomery
Flickr photo by Neeta Lind
The city of Oakland could become home to some of the world’s largest government-licensed marijuana-growing operations, with permits to distribute products around the state, according to a draft ordinance released yesterday.
The city’s public safety committee meets tonight to consider the plan to permit four industrial-scale, “medical cannabis” cultivation facilities.
The ordinance does not limit the size of the indoor operations, but says the council has received proposals ranging from 20,000 to 100,000 square feet.
“The cultivation of medical cannabis in Oakland has not been regulated and occurs entirely in small-scale home operations or larger-scale illicit warehouses,” reads a report submitted to the committee by city council members Rebecca Kaplan and Larry Reid. “These unregulated operations have led to public safety hazards, including fires, burglaries and home invasions, health risks to patients, and related response costs to the city.”
But the plan doesn’t restrict operations to Oakland. “Responsible transfer permits” would allow registered dispensaries anywhere in the state to purchase medical marijuana from the city’s pot farms. “Sales would be subject to the recently approved sales tax on medical cannabis providing additional revenue for the city through sales taxes,” reads the report.
In addition to improving public safety, the report suggests the plan could help revive the city’s anemic finances, raising anywhere from $3 million to $38 million in permit fees and sales taxes.
Experts say licensed marijuana-growing operations of this size and purpose do not exist anywhere in the world. Even the pot-friendly Netherlands only legally permits small-scale marijuana cultivation for distribution to consumers.
“I am not aware of any indoor-growing facility of that size or one whose product is meant to be consumed,” said Jonathan Caulkins, a Carnegie Mellon professor who co-authored a recent RAND Corporation study on marijuana in California.
Dale Gieringer, who heads the California branch of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said he could think of only a few government-sanctioned, outdoor pot farms that were larger than the indoor facilities being considered for Oakland.
“This is a very big deal,” he said.
The plan is raising a few eyebrows, even among legalization advocates like Gieringer. He said the ordinance envisions a “monopoly” for marijuana growers while also maintaining a virtual stranglehold on distribution (the plan would increase the number of legal dispensaries in Oakland from four to six).
“There are certainly more than four brands of wine and beer in Oakland and there are certainly more than four brands of cannabis,” Gieringer said.
But the supporters predict the plan would lead to lower prices and help wipe out illegal growing operations.
“Permitting larger-scale cultivation will allow for lower production costs per pound by creating economies of scale,” reads the committee report. “Lower production costs will allow regulated cultivation facilities to undercut wholesale prices of cannabis grown in unregulated operations.” Still, the report estimates dispensaries will continue to purchase at least 20 percent of their product from boutique growers who cultivate within a 96-square-foot legal limit.
Berkeley’s City Council is also considering industrial-scale marijuana cultivation and Mendocino recently passed regulations allowing outdoor pot farms to expand capacity to 99 plants per land parcel.
It’s leading some observers to wonder whether the battle for the statewide medical marijuana market – and accompanying tax dollars – is intensifying among local governments, well in advance of the vote this fall to legalize marijuana use in California.
Of course, much depends on the actions (or inactions) of the federal government. The feds still classify pot as a schedule one narcotic and DEA agents continue to raid some farms that claim to be operating within the state’s medical marijuana laws.
KQED's Forum program devoted an hour today to the Oakland ordinance.
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Oakland City Council Looking to Close Patient Gardens
This is what happens when you buy city council members, you can convince them to grant you a legal monopoly of the medical and recreational cannabis market by outlawing personal medical gardens under the pretense of public safety and allow 4 giant commercial gardens to come in, set their own prices and force dispensaries city wide to choose from one of these 4 gardens. Im guessing rich lee will own at least 2 of them.
If Oakland city council members are worried about public safety, they might want to consider their own safety first. Destroying the livelihoods of thousands of Oaklands most well connected people will have its consequences. If you want to open a 100,000sqft warehouse in Oakland in an attempt to monopolize the medical or recreational pot market, buy fire insurance.
If your a grower in Cali and support prop 19 read this and let me know how you feel....
California Watch
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Public Safety
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Maillists Subscribe Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Twitter Check Us out on Flickr
California WatchBlog
New ordinance in Oakland would legalize big industrial pot farms
July 13, 2010 | Michael Montgomery
Flickr photo by Neeta Lind
The city of Oakland could become home to some of the world’s largest government-licensed marijuana-growing operations, with permits to distribute products around the state, according to a draft ordinance released yesterday.
The city’s public safety committee meets tonight to consider the plan to permit four industrial-scale, “medical cannabis” cultivation facilities.
The ordinance does not limit the size of the indoor operations, but says the council has received proposals ranging from 20,000 to 100,000 square feet.
“The cultivation of medical cannabis in Oakland has not been regulated and occurs entirely in small-scale home operations or larger-scale illicit warehouses,” reads a report submitted to the committee by city council members Rebecca Kaplan and Larry Reid. “These unregulated operations have led to public safety hazards, including fires, burglaries and home invasions, health risks to patients, and related response costs to the city.”
But the plan doesn’t restrict operations to Oakland. “Responsible transfer permits” would allow registered dispensaries anywhere in the state to purchase medical marijuana from the city’s pot farms. “Sales would be subject to the recently approved sales tax on medical cannabis providing additional revenue for the city through sales taxes,” reads the report.
In addition to improving public safety, the report suggests the plan could help revive the city’s anemic finances, raising anywhere from $3 million to $38 million in permit fees and sales taxes.
Experts say licensed marijuana-growing operations of this size and purpose do not exist anywhere in the world. Even the pot-friendly Netherlands only legally permits small-scale marijuana cultivation for distribution to consumers.
“I am not aware of any indoor-growing facility of that size or one whose product is meant to be consumed,” said Jonathan Caulkins, a Carnegie Mellon professor who co-authored a recent RAND Corporation study on marijuana in California.
Dale Gieringer, who heads the California branch of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, said he could think of only a few government-sanctioned, outdoor pot farms that were larger than the indoor facilities being considered for Oakland.
“This is a very big deal,” he said.
The plan is raising a few eyebrows, even among legalization advocates like Gieringer. He said the ordinance envisions a “monopoly” for marijuana growers while also maintaining a virtual stranglehold on distribution (the plan would increase the number of legal dispensaries in Oakland from four to six).
“There are certainly more than four brands of wine and beer in Oakland and there are certainly more than four brands of cannabis,” Gieringer said.
But the supporters predict the plan would lead to lower prices and help wipe out illegal growing operations.
“Permitting larger-scale cultivation will allow for lower production costs per pound by creating economies of scale,” reads the committee report. “Lower production costs will allow regulated cultivation facilities to undercut wholesale prices of cannabis grown in unregulated operations.” Still, the report estimates dispensaries will continue to purchase at least 20 percent of their product from boutique growers who cultivate within a 96-square-foot legal limit.
Berkeley’s City Council is also considering industrial-scale marijuana cultivation and Mendocino recently passed regulations allowing outdoor pot farms to expand capacity to 99 plants per land parcel.
It’s leading some observers to wonder whether the battle for the statewide medical marijuana market – and accompanying tax dollars – is intensifying among local governments, well in advance of the vote this fall to legalize marijuana use in California.
Of course, much depends on the actions (or inactions) of the federal government. The feds still classify pot as a schedule one narcotic and DEA agents continue to raid some farms that claim to be operating within the state’s medical marijuana laws.
KQED's Forum program devoted an hour today to the Oakland ordinance.
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Well, you might want to tell them that, because about 80 years ago the government imposed some rather SEVERE laws on marijuana.
This bill is the first step to repealing those laws.
Vote yes if you aren't retarded. (Even if you are, vote yes.)
Umm... if you CAN do it, why not go ahead and vote this legal, and then use all of your wide support to eliminate the stuff you don't like in this one?
Why shoot us all in the foot? If you can get a different bill passed before november, I say do it!
if you can't, though, please vote yes and you can still be a major activist and get society behind you and amend the laws.
Who knows what good or bad things may happen if it doesn't pass?
What's your point again?
So let's all vote NO to a law that would allow us to grow it as such.
Yup, that makes sense!
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If you feel the gov. has no right to impose law on mj, voting for tc2010 makes no sense as its creating even more laws on mj. Its just a bad bill period, im about 99% sure I won't be voting for it. I'd be happy to vote for a bill that removed all of calis current marijuana laws, but thats never going to happen so what we currently have is fine with me.
215 says nothing of age restrictions-- There are many Patients under 18--
Apparently it's ok for certain people but not others! His post is still there, and he isn't banned yet.
yup, and apparently flagging his post does not work either.....
another fine example of moderator ass to mouth love......
just the other day, i offered to give seeds away, instantly i was told i could not, against TOU......
I think you're missing the point.
Anything that makes cannabis more normal, acceptable and everyday is worthwhile.
Sure, the bill has some glaring problems, but don't you think those will be a lot easier to fix when everyone in the country has a pot plant on their windowsill, when there's fields of hemp everywhere, making a difference to the economy and when the fuddy-duddies finally see that society has not collapsed just cause everyone grows pot - OR - do you think they will be easier to fix under today's grey-area, borderline regime, with obvious blatant abuse of the medical status and DEA raids still happening on dispensaries, etc?
TC2010 might stink in parts but overall it makes things much more NORMAL, and that is a huge step forward. Unlike the current situation.
It would be the first time cannabis can be grown legally (without medical approval) practically anywhere in the world, and this sets a huge precedent as well as challenging the pathetic United Nations drug scheduling.
Can you not see that these things override the small negatives by a thousand times?
Its pretty well known that certain people can give out seeds here...like JLP and vendors like Sam.
And will you buy for, pass to, or furnish, or share a beer with your 20 year old homies? It is really the same and while I understand how you feel, where should the cut off be? Do you think it is ok to pass a joint to a 15 year old?
a 12 year old?
a 9 year old?
5 year old?
Someone has to decide this, no matter what age is decided the ones that want to share Cannabis with someone a bit younger then allowed will be upset.
I think the 21 age limit was a compromise to get more of the state to vote yes, as many in the state are worried about youth and "DRUGS", now I know many here don't think of Cannabis as a drug, but many other people don't consider alcohol a drug, but it is.
-SamS
As for me giving out seeds for free, I won't do it if it is against the rules, I was really just trying to light a fire under the discussion as I felt most NO voters were concealing their real reasons for wanting to vote NO. I was hoping my offer of free seeds would encourage some to be as honest as possible to win the seeds.
I didn't have any intentions to break the rules, I was just ignorant as I don't retail seeds and have never sold seeds on this site.
I have given hundreds of thousand away for free here via Gypsy. Is it permitted for him to give my seeds away?
If not, would everyone that has received free seeds please return them immediately?
If it will make everyone feel better I could withdraw the offer to give out 2,000 seeds to the best NO reason, and you can thank krunchbubble for bring this to my attention if you wanted to try and win the seeds.
krunchbubble, were you a hall monitor in school?
-SamS
I didn't have any intentions to break the rules, I was just ignorant as I don't retail seeds and have never sold seeds on this site.
I have given hundreds of thousand away for free here via Gypsy. Is it permitted for him to give my seeds away?
If not, would everyone that has received free seeds please return them immediately?
If it will make everyone feel better I could withdraw the offer to give out 2,000 seeds to the best NO reason, and you can thank krunchbubble for bring this to my attention if you wanted to try and win the seeds.
krunchbubble, were you a hall monitor in school?
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