Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[markscastle]

My belt holds up my jeans boys! Yep I can smoke all day or not and I never answer myself back do I? Nope you sure don`t dude! See both of me agree smoking marijuana is healthy and makes ya feel good when other wise you just feel like krap! Good medicine it is If I don`t say so myself! Now both of me still agrees that we`ll votes no twice on prop 19.

 

[Guest 88950]

...is 50 an 8th REALLLY that bad to pay for good bud????? ...i think its a pretty fair price considering costs and labor involved..

50 an 1/8 ... thats black market prices in non med states for top quality.

you already said that the current regulations allow you to operate w/o fear of prosecution so why should you get black market prices.

greed

and you want to earn money w/o paying your taxes. boy, i wish i could quit paying taxes.

your contradiction about other states indirectly affected by Cali's laws got pointed out by Rob so what do you think b/c youve already taken bothsides?

i agree with your statmnent that Cali sets the stage for other states and thats why this legalization bill will eventually affect the entire USA and then we ALL could enjoy a Global Market in Cannabis.

As Cali goes the USA goes and then the world.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

50 an 1/8 ... thats black market prices in non med states for top quality.

you already said that the current regulations allow you to operate w/o fear of prosecution so why should you get black market prices.

greed

and you want to earn money w/o paying your taxes. boy, i wish i could quit paying taxes.

your contradiction about other states indirectly affected by Cali's laws got pointed out by Rob so what do you think b/c youve already taken bothsides?

i agree with your statmnent that Cali sets the stage for other states and thats why this legalization bill will eventually affect the entire USA and then we ALL could enjoy a Global Market in Cannabis.

As Cali goes the USA goes and then the world.

SSH you totally missed the last post where i answered subrobs questions about cali leading the pack..no ones knows for sure...as cali goes most of the US does not...you forget that nationally half the country is conservative. in cali alone its only 50% to 50% in legalization polls. (48%NO vs 42% as of latest)... a national poll would show less in favor of legalization (does anyone have numbers for national poll vs cali??)

 

[subrob]

medical cannabis is more accepted than full out legalization. QUOTE]

first, in fairness to you...i have not read the full post...got a girl coming...with pizza...to watch....wait for it.....last weeks ufc on my dvr...so, of course im kinda in a rush...but.......
...literally, the first thing that popped into my mind....immediately...when i read the beginning of your post was...."now"...meaning medical is more accepted then full out 'now' because people who were fighting to get it that way either lived in, or chose to come, to CALIFORNIA and make it happen...one argument by the anti's back then was "they are liars...they are using sickness as an excuse to further the legalization agenda"...and NOW, because prop 215 has been enacted...and the anti's have had a chance to get used to it they are using the argument(among others)..."hey, we dont have a problem w sick people using it, but no way for recreational" its because a law was passed and more people were educated...thats how it works in this society....prop 19, if passed, will CERTAINLY lead to better pot laws in more places...the country will be better off....what we have in prop 19 is a jumping off point....10 years from now it wont matter what prop 19 does or doesnt have...the only significance will be...thats where it all started....tell me im wrong...gotta go...this chick is WAY too hot for me and i gotta clean up....

 

[Guest 88950]

maybe I did

I didn’t forget anything. I live in that conservative part of the USA so I probably know better that you how they think and if it wasn’t for Cali going med then fla wouldn’t be working to get enough signatures to get it on the ballot. It took years for the mentality to change and be open to discuss Medical Cannabis, it didn’t happen overnight.

I can see the same thing happening to Legalization. It may take years but the rest of the USA will follow.

How difficult would it be for the Bible Belt states to keep denying patients access to Cannabis as medicine if it was Legal in just One state. It doesn’t have to be Cali to be the first.

This just isn’t about you guys. Its much bigger.


To those who vote NO. what are you going to do if it fails and then a different med state goes ahead and Legalizes it. You’ll be in a sinking ship with no escape plan.

Learn to swim

 

[kmk420kali]

I will prolly be voting yes...even tho I am really against this Prop--
But....for all of you who keep saying that Cali sets the stage for the rest of the US...and the World....why the fuck are you not here supporting?? Why are you still sitting in your chosen State...not voting...and wondering why nothing changes??
Fuck this!! First we are all "Greedy Fucking Growers"...because we do not want to take a chance on something like this biting us in the ass...when we already have pretty much everything that Prop 19 has to offer...available to us--
Now we are the bad guys, because we are abandoning all our Brothers and Sisters Worldwide!!! WTF??? Isn't that kinda throwing alot in our faces??
I agree that Legalization is Paramount!!! But Prop 19 is so far less than that--
Most of you refuse to hear anything from the "Anti Prop 19" side...even though there are many good arguments against it--
I have listened, and weighed both sides...have even swayed on my stance...but I see no give and take here--
I am not a fucking cop, because I oppose something that I believe is wrong-- Fuck that!!
I told myself I would not participate in these Threads anymore...but damn man...it gets kinda frustrating--

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

$50 an 1/8th is $400 an ounce or $6400 a pound, I feel sorry for medical users that have to pay that for meds, $50 for 3 and 1/2 grams.
I can grow a kilo (dry) for less then $50 in my backyard.
Am I really the only one seeing something wrong with this?
Anyone that thinks growers are doing anyone favors at this price is nuts.
To me a grower that donates all his extra that is not need at home is helping and doing favors.
Selling to patients at high prices is just taking advantage of the situation.
I know growers only get half or less, but they are still part of the problem.
I hate trashing growers, but if they keep saying that they want prices to be kept high, and are willing to vote NO on Prop 19 to keep them high then why should I care about them any more then they care about the med patients?
Really I just want Cannabis legalized, the prices will be settled by supply & demand as well as production costs. And anyone that thinks a $50 eighth is a fair price will be left in the dust and they know it. My suggestion is to take farming classes, buy a tractor and grow medical outdoors, but you can forget the high prices, they will be a memory.....
If Cannabis is legal....


-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I will prolly be voting yes...even tho I am really against this Prop--
But....for all of you who keep saying that Cali sets the stage for the rest of the US...and the World....why the fuck are you not here supporting?? Why are you still sitting in your chosen State...not voting...and wondering why nothing changes??
Fuck this!! First we are all "Greedy Fucking Growers"...because we do not want to take a chance on something like this biting us in the ass...when we already have pretty much everything that Prop 19 has to offer...available to us--
Now we are the bad guys, because we are abandoning all our Brothers and Sisters Worldwide!!! WTF??? Isn't that kinda throwing alot in our faces??
I agree that Legalization is Paramount!!! But Prop 19 is so far less than that--
Most of you refuse to hear anything from the "Anti Prop 19" side...even though there are many good arguments against it--
I have listened, and weighed both sides...have even swayed on my stance...but I see no give and take here--
I am not a fucking cop, because I oppose something that I believe is wrong-- Fuck that!!
I told myself I would not participate in these Threads anymore...but damn man...it gets kinda frustrating--

I have listened to every argument from the NO on Prop 19 side, and they are:
They don't trust the government.
They don't want to pay Taxes.
They don't want lower prices.
Prop 19 will screw up 215 & 420.
Jack and Dennis told us to vote NO.
Prop 19 will put more people in jail.
Did I forget any?

I could answer why I think the reasons above are all bull, but I will let others as I am starting to feel it is a waste of my time trying to convert the NO voters, they have their reasons to vote no, many based in fear of what might maybe could happen, or knowledge that prices will fall, but either way I will be lucky to change their minds, as they depend on high prices for income, and will continue to have fears of the future, regardless of what may or may-not come to be.

-SamS

 

[Hammerhead]

when I was in HS A 1/8 WAS 25$ that was in 1981. Things where very differant then

 

[mSeTxOiNcEaRn]

This bill and the controversy are a microcosm of what is going on in the world today imo.
Ever wonder why we cannot just stop producing those things that are runing the world? Because there is two sides to every story, those who see the damage and evil in the doings of greedy men, and those who benefit from it. Why was cannabis illegal in the first place? Greed, and to kick Mexicans out of the newly "aquired states". Why have the big companies funded this reefer madness bullshit for so long? Same reason some people in the community want it to stay that way, it is to their benefit. How many jobs are depended on the oil businness? A lot!! A shit load of money to be made and many jobs it creates, but no one can deny the devastating effects on the environment.

This is not an issue about getting the right bill on the table because we all know that you can't please everyone? It is also not a moral issue because commercial growers are not bad people for seeing how this bill takes everything they've worked so hard for.
This is about an opportunity, the oportunity to get a bigger piece of the pie and being in the position to do it once again since 215. It is a step forward for everyone in general, perhaps a step back in some ways for a lot of people but i for one will look back and say i did what i felt was the right thing, because that is what it comes down to. It is easy to say vote yes when you have nothing to lose, but those who feel they have a lot to lose, that is where you have to put your self interest to the side and really ponder on what you feel is right. Whatever that may be i hope you never regret it. I was going to vote no because Jack was so against it, but thats not a good enough reason, i'm not Jack, i didnt spend decades fighting for a whole pie only to get a small slice. Thank you Jack it was because of you that we have this oportunity today and i hope we the community becomes more united after this is all over and not become like most every other industry out there today.

My $ .02

 

[markscastle]

when I was in HS A 1/8 WAS 25$ that was in 1981. Things where very differant then

How much was a new car back then? What was the min wage? What your not taking into account is that it`s not so much prices have gone up as money is worth less than back then and it takes more of it to buy anything now days.It`s called inflation.That 50 an 1/8 oz won`t buy more apples than when it was 25 an 1/8 back then. so if prices go down much it would be a loss of income from what people would have got years ago. If that happends less people would grow and sell marijuana and it would get dry until the prices went back up.That`s where supply and demand come into it. More people growing the less the price is until the market gets flooded and then people can`t make money.Then they quit growing and the price goes up because people will pay more because it becomes harder to get.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

How much was a new car back then? What was the min wage? What your not taking into account is that it`s not so much prices have gone up as money is worth less than back then and it takes more of it to buy anything now days.It`s called inflation.That 50 an 1/8 oz won`t buy more apples than when it was 25 an 1/8 back then. so if prices go down much it would be a loss of income from what people would have got years ago. If that happends less people would grow and sell marijuana and it would get dry until the prices went back up.That`s where supply and demand come into it. More people growing the less the price is until the market gets flooded and then people can`t make money.Then they quit growing and the price goes up because people will pay more because it becomes harder to get.

What do you think it will cost to grow legal outdoors? Do you have any idea? $6400 a pound? $100 a pound? I know, even less.
$50 an eighth is about the price to grow a kilo plant, BTW if Prop 19 passes their will be large commercial grows for recreational users, the prices will fall, and a lot of people won't need to buy at dispensaries, they will go to cheap outlets that sell recreational only, at a fraction of todays prices, I suspect many of the dispensaries could lose half or more of their customers.
Here in Holland no one buys Cannabis at the Pharmacy even though with a doctors script you can. Every one just buys Cannabis at a coffee shop because of the cheaper prices, and way more choices of varieties. The Pharmacies only sell 3 varieties, and I don't like any of them. I often wondered why the government here set the prices so high, I mean if legally produced I would think it is cheaper to produce then an illegal product like the coffee shops, but I think the government here had their own agenda of proving Cannabis is not needed as medicine, and higher prices then the coffee shops is one way to be sure the medical Cannabis program here will fail.
If the prices were cheaper they would sell 100 times as much as they do which is now a very small amount.
Customers want cheaper prices and more choice on varieties.....

-SamS

 

[Trillion]

I'm interested in this.

It's pretty simple to grow marijuana. And any information that you might need could easily be found somewhere on this site.

But is there technical, scientifical information that sets agriculturalists apart from your average grower.

Are you taking the piss?

You don't see the differnece in effectively managing a few dozen acres compared to a plot with a few dozen plants? Scientifical information? Can you not see the difference between your granny's veggie patch and the farmer's tomato fields down the road? It requires a whole different set of skills, believe me I have worked on both sides of the scale and I would not be able to manage a farm without being taught and a lot more experience.




215user/yes4prop215 a system where people have to pretend to be sick to get a card to pay for hugely overpriced unregulated cannabis is far from adequate.

Cannabis should be available for all adults who wish to have it. You can twist things all you want but the fact is you are fighting against legislation that would make this possible.

Also please explain why paying a small amount of tax to the government is better than paying what is basically a much larger blackmarket tax to the dispensarys?

 

[Herborizer]

Am I the only one who thinks it's possible for the price to go up if prop 19 passes? Didn't the market get flooded with weed when all the so-cal dispensaries got shut down, and effectively drive down prices? I for one believe it's possible that there will be a massive demand that will take a long time to supply. Just because one can grow themselves, doesn't mean they will. Most likely they won't.

I personally don't think small timers need to worry about corporate growing. Corporations will further help legitimize the market, and in turn people will be looking for specialty weed.

Yes, the small timers who's main competitive advantage is that they have something that is hard to come by, are going to suffer. Sorry, but they are not good businessmen then. The small timers who establish their niche are going to be fine. Maybe even better then before prop 19 passes.

 

[Guest 88950]

KMK420,

You don’t want us there unless were buyers so who and what would I be supporting.

Im still in my state b/c im rooted here, all my family and work is here and why move. I AM doing something to change the laws HERE in FLA and I see first hand how the med laws in 14 states, in time, change the perception of the Voters of Florida. These voters are mostly old conservative republicans and their views about Medical Cannabis ARE changing.

Another reason im here is to be a part in MY state becoming a Med State b/c the more states that have laws regarding Medical Cannabis the harder it will be for hold out states to deny Cannabis to those in need.

If Cali OR any other med state moves to Legalize Cannabis then how can my state, or the other non med states, argue that Cannabis is too unsafe for the sick when its safe enough to be regulated Legally. this is an issue bigger than just Cali whether you like it or not.


Whats going to happen IF another med state moves to legalization with Mr Lees bill or one similar? If its not Cali then it will be one of the other 13 states to be the first for legalized Cannabis.

So

Instead of “as Cali goes the USA goes, then Global Cannabis Trade” you could insert what ever state is the first to legalize.

 

[Shcrews]

first, in fairness to you...i have not read the full post...got a girl coming...with pizza...to watch....wait for it.....last weeks ufc on my dvr..

great event.... Brock Lesnar is much overrated, as you saw, but still put on a great performance against no-cardio Carwin...

also props to Chris Leben

and i hope you got lucky with that chica

 

[Shcrews]

I have listened to every argument from the NO on Prop 19 side, and they are:
They don't trust the government.
They don't want to pay Taxes.
They don't want lower prices.
Prop 19 will screw up 215 & 420.
Jack and Dennis told us to vote NO.
Prop 19 will put more people in jail.
Did I forget any?

I could answer why I think the reasons above are all bull, but I will let others as I am starting to feel it is a waste of my time trying to convert the NO voters,

i'm sorry you think it is "bull" to be distrustful of our large centralized government... i would love to hear your explanation for why we SHOULD trust the government, but I'm sure anything George Orwell wrote would be more than enough to counter your points.

sigh..

suck at the teet of "representative democracy" just a little bit longer, why dont you.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I am a bit tired of any of the reasons people say are the reasons they might vote NO.
Do I trust the Government, Fuck no, but I do want Cannabis legal for recreational users.
If the best way to achieve legalization of recreational is to allow the government to Tax and Regulate it is a small price to pay. I give a f*** about politics except for one issue, and this is it. I have worked all my life to normalize Cannabis, and you guys want to let it slip between our fingers.
Do you allow the Government to Tax and Regulate alcohol? Why not just make your own and sell it underground?
Or do you just drop by the 7-11 and buy a Taxed and Regulated beer?
Why exclude Cannabis from the same normalization that alcohol enjoys?
How much do you really care about keeping the government out of your life?
Enough to refuse to buy Taxed and Regulated products, or is it all just talk?
End the arrests, Tax and Regulate.

-SamS

 

[Hank Hemp]

Y'll listen to Sam you Nor Cal Hippies. I believe he may be right.

 

[Shcrews]

Why exclude Cannabis from the same normalization that alcohol enjoys?
-SamS

i would HATE to see cannabis end up like alcohol , normalized or not...

the last thing we need is for 20-year-olds to get "minor in possession", responsible adults arrested for "public intoxication" for smoking a bowl, while highschool kids tap their elders on the shoulder to buy them some ganja at the store... i don't want to see DUI stops where they test on-the-spot for cannabis in your blood/piss/whatever...

the last thing we need is a "stoned tank" at the county jail.

REALLY sam? really?

LEGALIZE, DON"T REGULATE, or we will just be seeing more police with nicer guns. Thinking about it, we might even see more arrests for marijuana with all this proposed regulation...

california voters, ask yourselves.... do you really want Ganja to be the new Booze?