Growers are just saying NO to pot legalization

[reality checker]

so if it becomes legal does anyone really believe everyone will be growing? and what about the quality?

 

[herbwarts]

Sound like the same reasons they give us for not being able to order medication from Canada at a cheaper price. Most of us sicko's are barely survive the cost of living now. Raise or just hold the price up means many of us go without.

 

[SkimmingDaSky]

I'm late as shit, but my .02 on the subject.

For growers who want a variety SOG that bitch.
For growers worried about keeping moms, bonsai and lst is your best friend. Not only will lst keep em in check, you will be creating more clone sites.Keep your moms on shelves with lights on each shelf. Have like 2-3 levels.

For growers worried about the 5x5 area, its better than nothing. Scrog that bitch. This dude pulled a lb off of 1 plant under a 400w..https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12653&page=1&pp=15

For people worried about the chemicals "big business" will add to the herb, grow your own.
It's not about money, its about being able to enjoy some good herb in the privacy of your own home w/o worrrying about cops knocking your door down nd tarnishing your criminal record for life.

Its about paving the way for other states. You guys n Cali have it good. If you can't grow enough weed from a 5x5 area for personal use, then I really don't know what to tell you. I would be happy if my state passed a law that said I could grow n a 1x1 space. Its about looking at the big pic, and making do with what you have.

Do you know the feeling I would have if I could grow my own herb in peace, w/o worrying about not turning on my security alarm b/c I'm more afraid of going to jail than some1 breaking in?
Do you know the feeling I would have if I could smoke my own herb in my living room w/o being paranoid, or have pot as house plants???

To the ppl worried about smoking in public...wtf??? Can u drink in public(other than the bar)? NO. What is the problem? Even if you did, I'm pretty sure no one will be calling the cops b/c they smell weed. Water cure your shit, problem solved.
Cali, we are counting on you. Please pass this for the other states.

 

[Hammerhead]

so if it becomes legal does anyone really believe everyone will be growing? and what about the quality?

What about the qaulity, Im not growing for you or anyone. I grow for myself and the quality will be top shelf. Most of the people will also be doing this. I do take care of my friends and they take care of me. Thats the way it should be.

 

[SkimmingDaSky]

What about the qaulity, Im not growing for you or anyone. I grow for myself and the quality will be top shelf. Most of the people will also be doing this. I do take care of my friends and they take care of me. Thats the way it should be.

Ditto. I could give fck what 7-11 has, the stuff in my closet will be 10x better. And every1 that knows me will have good to smoke if a law like this ever passed in my state.

 

[Aniggmah]

This is what should be done...

This is what should be done...

The best way would be to decriminalize the substance. Lightening the drug laws helps to reduce criminal violence that is directly associated with the narcotics trade. If the pressure to obtain such substance is lessened the tension will decrease and the street market shall fold. Since cannabis is naturally growing plant people will begin to harvest their own crops and not have to worry about street level dealings. This is not to say that everyone will grow cannabis once legalized, hell people don't grow vegetables and fruit for that matter. So in the end there will be one less substance that needs policing and the more criminally culpable offenders will be targeted instead of the harmless tokers.

 

[wickedpete66]

hammerhead, your "1.3lb" plant is 3 ounces DRY at most. when does your ship come out of the clouds?
yknow you have to dry the shit before you weigh it up right?

Nice catch. i was thinking exactly the same thing. I figured if the buds were dense enough maybe that plant was 5-6 oz's at most. Which would still be a really nice pull from 1 plant.

 

[Hammerhead]

I could careless what you guys say. Im not stupid you asshats. Ea cola was over an oz dry. you guys are on crack if you think this is 3 oz. This plant was not done in this pic as u can tell ya bunch of Moran's. I will just harvest my 3lb plants form my 5x5. Leave me the fuck out of you games. Im sorry I can grow better then you oh wait no im not lol.


Just in case you did not notice your pall was banned. We all know how valuable his info was or are u just following in his footsteps.

 

[wickedpete66]

I could careless what you guys say. Im not stupid you asshats. Ea cola was over an oz dry. you guys are on crack if you think this is 3 oz. This plant was not done in this pic as u can tell ya bunch of Moran's. I will just harvest my 3lb plants form my 5x5. Leave me the fuck out of you games. Im sorry I can grow better then you oh wait no im not lol.


Just in case you did not notice your pall was banned. We all know how valuable his info was or are u just following in his footsteps.

Dude i didnt insult you. i was just calling shenanigans on your weight total. if you can pull a pound per plant in a hydrohut more power to you. I also grow in a hut. I get about 2.5-3oz's per plant out of my 3x3 space with 6 plants. my plants look about the same as yours.

 

[Hammerhead]

But ya did. I got 1.3lbs from that 1 plant. You can call bullshit if your want to it's your opinion. I know its true. Where did I say hydro hut was used if I did I miss spoke. I never used a hut but I have used a Jarden 150 that plant was grown in a 10x12 flower room with her very own 1k yo can see that it was not in any tent.

 

[wickedpete66]

But ya did. I got 1.3lbs from that 1 plant. You can call bullshit if your want to it's your opinion. I know its true. Where did I say hydro hut was used if I did I miss spoke. I never used a hut but I have used a Jarden 150 that plant was grown in a 10x12 flower room with her very own 1k yo can see that it was not in any tent.

ok my bad, I saw one of your earlier post with a pic of a 4x4 hut. where you stated that you could pull 3 lbs from it. then you posted a pic of that plant. i just assumed that plant was grown in the hut. my mistake.

 

[Hammerhead]

nope I have both. my plants sometimes cant handle the tent so they go into the room. Most of these strains are Sativas. I see plants outdoor that yield 8lbs all the time. I do use my 150 for most of my grows. If the plant gets taller then 4 feet I move her into the other room. I was using the tent to do my breeding but I have stopped making seeds. I have so many I dont have room to properly store them. I just popped my last Heavy duty fruity 5 beans 4 popped these where 5 year old seeds. 1 has emerged from the soil waiting for the others. HDF should yield me 1lb in my tent. I use LST and supper crop to accomplish this. I had some nugs off that girl that where so hard it would hurt my fingers breaking it up to smoke.

 

[TenToesTall]

Im so glad Im on the east coast. I used to look upto the new cali. But since Prop 215 nothing good has come from this. The GOVT is slowing taking more rights and inking in more penalties. I hope everyone reads and understands this bill before they sign. I would hold out and wait for a better one. There is so much more to this than how it will affect the price of marijuana in CA. I honestly feel this crap bill will pass. Sad story.

 

[TenToesTall]

Very well put brother

GFam

In respect to monetary compensation, in this area of business, if your business plan is not fluid enough to allow for repositioning and maneuvering in a dynamic and ever changing market, you need to get out while you're ahead. People are going to have to change their business model in order to survive. It happens in a capitalistic society. Those who don't have the business sense or intuition to change with the market will die off.


There are benefits and relief in the bill, that I can't argue. Pro's of the bill -
1) Anyone can have an oz. in their possession without fear of arrest or even a ticket. As it is now, non mmj smokers will get a ticket and $100 fine.
2) Any person can grow in their residence, a 5x5 plot. Plant count is irrelevant. Any amount you can harvest from the plot, is allowed to be stored on the premises of the plot.
3) It allows for research. Awesome!
4) The biggest pro to the bill imo - It promotes an active hemp industry. This is huge. This will mean a lot of jobs and money.
5) The bill does allow for amendments by statewide vote.
6) I read that the laws would be retro active, and anyone currently in jail for mj that met this bills requirements would be released. I can not find that language in the current version of the bill however.


Now, here are some negatives or at least questionable points -
1) The bill states it does not override Prop215. Great. BUT, Prop215 has no plant guidelines in it. The new bill has a 5x5 plot limit. Even though the bill states it does not change anything with Prop215, it also says "Notwithstanding any other statute or current law" (Notwithstanding - in spite of. regardless of) therefore, does this mean the new bill will limit mmj patients to a 5x5 plot? It certainly seems like an argument could be made to that effect since Prop 215 does not discuss plant limits or quantity of medicine. This is my primary concern with the bill.
2) It does not allow anyone under 21 to smoke. That is wrong imo. If you are 18, you can buy cigs, go to war etc. If someone is old enough to fight for our country, they should be allowed to smoke as well. Your 19 y/o soldier nephew can kill people, but can't smoke a J.
3) If you go over the 5x5 plot size, go to jail. (??) This isn't so bad for the casual smoker. But heavy smokers like me can burn through a 5x5 area of OG Kush (small small yields) before the next crop finishes. This will effect outdoor growers far more than indoor. If you can only grow a 5x5' plant outdoors once a year, that isn't going to last even the casual smoker until the next years harvest.
4) It requires a license and zoning permits similar to alcohol. Now, the actual cost of an alcohol license in my area is about $15-25K, and up to $50K USD, depending on location. I know a lot of bar owners and managers, and all have told me it took $100-$150K to get the license, after greasing the right hands. This seems to tip the law in favor of corporate America, not the individual smoker.
5) Considering Richard Lee's current monopoly in Oakland with cannabis clubs it seems to solidify that monopoly. IMO, RL is a douche and is out solely for $$$$, not for patients or smokers or even the plant. But, that is a personal opinion, and not necessarily a wise argument to pursue, so I won't. Just rubs me the wrong way.
6) You can't purchase more than oz. It has to be purchased through a retailer. Your buddy with the 5x5' plot can't sell it to you. He can give it to you, but how many people are going to give away ounces when they can only grow in a 5'x5'?
7) There is supposed to be a $50 per oz tax. That means, if selling retail it's $800 per Lb. in tax. It is extremely difficult to speculate on a non regulated market, so attempting to guess what prices will to is pointless. Again, can not find this language in the current version. If we aren't going to impose a tax, what good is this bill?
8) If local authorities are left to regulate the industry, then people in the Bay, NoCal, and LA are golden, but really the rest of the state is screwed. San Diego is still fighting prop 215. They are not going to allow commercial operations, neither will San Berdoo, Marin, or any other hard liner county. The state needs to set the rules here.

Just some thoughts.

Now before anyone bashes me for being on the fence and not 100% in support of the bill, please understand, I could care less about money. I want people incarcerated for mj to be released. I want freedom for all who choose to use mj to be able to do so without fear of LEO. I think legalization and taxation, if done properly would be beneficial to the people of California and the economy. I don't want to hear or see anyone getting their house invaded and pets or people killed over mj. I fully support legalization, I'm just not sure this is the correct way to go about it. I hope that makes sense.

 

[MrBomDiggitty]

Why do the naysayers keep saying to read the bill before we sign it. Why don't you put in bold faced letters exactly what we should be so terrified of?

 

[Hammerhead]

I think you are confused Prop 215 has been law since 1996. TC2010 is the new bill for recreational users only. You are surely blinded by the he said she said syndrome. Keeping people out of jail is my priority. No one over the age of 21 will go to jail if the law is followed. Im looking at the big picture sure this bill sucks and I don't like some of it. we need to be able to compromise. When we get this first stage passed we are going to work very hard having the issues we dont like amended. There is no way in hell we will ever get a bill passed that has everything covered it wont happen. so we take a small bite and then another by the time where done nipping at there coat tail. I hope for out sakes this bill does pass so we can move on to making things better. If it fails we will be losing years decades of hard work.

 

[Nunya Biz]

I'd take any legalization over no legalization, Cali residents don't currently risk a mandatory minimum of 7 years for cultivating a single plant where as I do. I guess you have the luxury of being picky about your laws.

 

[HybridHydro]

I personally think the costs would stay the same pretty much, regardless of wether or not it is illegal, no matter what there is still the expense of growing it, electricity costs, soil costs, Nute costs, Time and Effort(which we don't get much credit for now a days because of its legal status). So yeh I think there would still be money to be made in it, maybe with increased supply it MIGHT bring it down a bit, but demand would go up. It would be neat to run a simulation just to see.

 

[superbolan]

If it fails i have no doubt they will start tightening restrictions under the guise that " the people have through there voting shown us their feelings on the subject" , A loss will be giving the politrickans major fuel

 

[wickedpete66]

nope I have both. my plants sometimes cant handle the tent so they go into the room. Most of these strains are Sativas. I see plants outdoor that yield 8lbs all the time. I do use my 150 for most of my grows. If the plant gets taller then 4 feet I move her into the other room. I was using the tent to do my breeding but I have stopped making seeds. I have so many I dont have room to properly store them. I just popped my last Heavy duty fruity 5 beans 4 popped these where 5 year old seeds. 1 has emerged from the soil waiting for the others. HDF should yield me 1lb in my tent. I use LST and supper crop to accomplish this. I had some nugs off that girl that where so hard it would hurt my fingers breaking it up to smoke.

heavy duty fruity is one of the staples in my garden. i love that plant. I can run 6 plants in my tent hempy bucket style and I get about a pound from the hdf as well under a 600wt hps and 400wt mh.

I would love to do sativa's but i cant wait 12 to 14 weeks for them to finish. been out of work for a year now and this garden is the only thing keeping my head above water. I have 2 flowering cabs and i'm getting between 12 and 16 oz's a month. depending on whether i have 5 or 6 plants in there.

As far as the legalization topic goes. i would like to see it legalized and a small tax per ounce(say35.00) would be fine. One nice thing about the huts is the stealth factor, but would rather see decriminalization first. Would rather pay a fine then loose $1500-$2000 per pound. Add to the fact that legalization leads to regulations and our gov, doesnt give a shit about its people. All it would do is set up big business and the little guy would be forced out.