Legalize MJ ! Really? No I mean REALLY?

[LifeIsGrowing]

I wish there was more hash. I just dont think it will ever gain wide-spread use in the US, and as much as I love hash and would love to see more floating around, I just don't see it happening, unless it's after Cali legalizes or something like that happens. But for now, I think it'll just be kept as a mainstay for growers and true cannabis lovers.

Not saying anything bad, just saying. It takes alot of weed to make a little hash, and most will never give up there whole crop to hash making. JMO

-LIG

 

[HydroManiac]

Holy shitbags. HydroManiac, are you related to Thundurkel??

I don't even know who that is lol

 

[HydroManiac]

WHOAH...First off, let me just say one word: PARAGRAPHS

okay ..In my opinion, you are fooling yourself into thinking that this is something hard to do. You drop a seed in a bucket of dirt, or in your backyard, and it grows...

Also..I'm pretty sure McDonalds will let you buy insurance, or any fast food place, if you are not smart enough for a real job that is..

Its pure selfishness for you to not want it legal, but thats only my opinion

Whatever!

 

[Hammerhead]

it's not that easy to grow quality cannabis. I dont know where you guys are but here we have hash everywhere.

 

[grapeman]

it's not that easy to grow quality cannabis. I dont know where you guys are but here we have hash everywhere.

Yeah - I don't even bother making hash from the fluff or small bud anymore. If someone want to make some butter then they can have it.

The goal is to have as little fluff left as possible I would think.

Last good hash I had was in college in 1976.

But what does that have to do with de-criminalization vs. legalization with government regulation?

 

[armedoldhippy]

if hurting the economy of several counties in one state will eventually prevent hundreds if not THOUSANDS of good people from going to jail across the nation/world, then i'm for it! get ready for your economic clout to fizzle. i'm sorry that you thought that you were "special"...the truth really sucks, huh?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I wish there was more hash. I just dont think it will ever gain wide-spread use in the US, and as much as I love hash and would love to see more floating around, I just don't see it happening, unless it's after Cali legalizes or something like that happens. But for now, I think it'll just be kept as a mainstay for growers and true cannabis lovers.

Not saying anything bad, just saying. It takes alot of weed to make a little hash, and most will never give up there whole crop to hash making. JMO

-LIG

people are just not educated on quality hash here in america. it is not around so people are intimidated by it. no one will smoke a sample of good hash with a customer either as a sample because they were overcharged for it in the first place.

To spark the hash market in america mass amounts of growers have to spread around free samples. People will get talking and like it. A good popular opinion will form and the fear of paying 30-40 for a gram of good full melt will be gone.... but that could only happen in a legal market.

 

[binaryfission]

i think all it will take is for good melt to go for 40 and its over. if that price becomes wide spread who wouldn't smoke predominantly melt.

math: 40 a g retail means lets say 20 wholesale. maybe 15.

so 1000g of melt for 20K. takes 20# to get that.

so when you can buy grade A dank for 1000 per you will see widespread hash.

introducing an improved product to an existing market is about numbers, IMO.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^I only use sugar leaf and larf to get full melt. it would be garbage other wise. it only cost me the bags and the ice, and the wooden spoon. I think 40 a gram is steep. 30 is a fair price for your average consumer.

Also in a legalized market people will start exploring different types of hash and oils, bubble wont be the only thing people start smoking more wide spread.

 

[Relentless]

i concur. i just want it decriminalized.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

i concur. i just want it decriminalized.

Decriminalization is beyond idiotic. How can you possibly have a legal substance that is not allowed to be produced or distributed? Most people do not have the time, knowledge, experience or willingness to produce their own products and that is why we leave these tasks to companies whose sole purpose is to create these products. I don't make my own clothes or herd my own cattle. Much like people enjoy ciggarettes and alcohol, but not to the point of producing it themselfs. Lets keep ourselfs in 2010. Relegalize cannabis. It is the only humane option. Any of you who are afraid of diminished profits just need to realize the amount of cannabis users will surely rise with the relegalization of cannabis. There are many people who'd like to partake, but are afraid to for a multitude of reasons. Once the social taboo is removed and people are no longer in fear of losing their freedoms, their families and their careers the demand will go up. Sure, there will always be people turning out incredibly large crops of mediocre ganja that will be acceptable to many people, but high quality cannabis will always be in demand. Cannabis is not hard to grow, but producing very fine cannabis does take a crafty hand. The prices may lower, but not as much as most will think. In fact, i'm confident that retail price will remain nearly at current market price, as surely liscensing fees and excise taxes will be placed on the consumer's hands.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

last paragragh most important

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Decriminalization is beyond idiotic. How can you possibly have a legal substance that is not allowed to be produced or distributed? Most people do not have the time, knowledge, experience or willingness to produce their own products and that is why we leave these tasks to companies whose sole purpose is to create these products. I don't make my own clothes or herd my own cattle. Much like people enjoy ciggarettes and alcohol, but not to the point of producing it themselfs. Lets keep ourselfs in 2010. Relegalize cannabis. It is the only humane option. Any of you who are afraid of diminished profits just need to realize the amount of cannabis users will surely rise with the relegalization of cannabis. There are many people who'd like to partake, but are afraid to for a multitude of reasons. Once the social taboo is removed and people are no longer in fear of losing their freedoms, their families and their careers the demand will go up. Sure, there will always be people turning out incredibly large crops of mediocre ganja that will be acceptable to many people, but high quality cannabis will always be in demand. Cannabis is not hard to grow, but producing very fine cannabis does take a crafty hand. The prices may lower, but not as much as most will think. In fact, i'm confident that retail price will remain nearly at current market price, as surely liscensing fees and excise taxes will be placed on the consumer's hands.

this is very well said. It gets to the point that people are being motivated by fear on both sides of the issue. fear of jail by most, but fear of profit loss on the other.

I only think fear of jail is a credible fear. Fear of profit loss in a legal market is completely unreasonable. Human have used cannabis since before civilization formed. We used it before we were homosapiens even. homoerectus used it. They had to have because we evolved cannbanoid receptors in out brain.
Legalize it and your market with triple. big tobacco will LOSE money because (new smokers) people will not turn to them for stress. they will turn to your nor cal growers. In return big tobacco wont have enough money to continue investing into becoming big weed due to having to use it to stay in business, and pay for their crazy "lets make addict labs"

Also if we instate our OWN quality control/ rating system before it is federally legalized we will have Big tobacco by their balls. It will be like wine. You dont see cali wine makers like Scarecrow, and Screaming Eagle producing any cheap crap do you? They can still charge hundreds of dollrs per bottle. Shit I sell many wines, in the 5 star place where I work, that cost over a thousand dollars a bottle. Why can they charge that much. easy it is so HIGHLY RATED!! WE NEED a test market like cali though. the rules of Capitalism are on our side.

check my thread to see what I mean. Grape, I am sure you can dig this
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2823361#post2823361
I have been trying to do this, but it is hard to get the right people interested. They are too busy trying to stay out of jail and still provided the nation with herb.

 

[grapeman]

Decriminalization is beyond idiotic. How can you possibly have a legal substance that is not allowed to be produced or distributed? Most people do not have the time, knowledge, experience or willingness to produce their own products and that is why we leave these tasks to companies whose sole purpose is to create these products. I don't make my own clothes or herd my own cattle. Much like people enjoy ciggarettes and alcohol, but not to the point of producing it themselfs. Lets keep ourselfs in 2010. Relegalize cannabis. It is the only humane option. Any of you who are afraid of diminished profits just need to realize the amount of cannabis users will surely rise with the relegalization of cannabis. There are many people who'd like to partake, but are afraid to for a multitude of reasons. Once the social taboo is removed and people are no longer in fear of losing their freedoms, their families and their careers the demand will go up. Sure, there will always be people turning out incredibly large crops of mediocre ganja that will be acceptable to many people, but high quality cannabis will always be in demand. Cannabis is not hard to grow, but producing very fine cannabis does take a crafty hand. The prices may lower, but not as much as most will think. In fact, i'm confident that retail price will remain nearly at current market price, as surely liscensing fees and excise taxes will be placed on the consumer's hands.

Mexico did just that.... along with lsd, cocaine, & possibly some other stuff. Who wants to go to jail for possession of a few grams.

I guess it takes a libertarian rather then a liberal/progressive/conservative viewpoint to see the value.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

ya, but because it is still illegal to manufacture and sell it there, then there is still a need for huge black market cartels. All business aspects of this need to be able to be done openly with out fear, of prison to put the black markets out of business.

this thread is good conversation. I am glad we havnt resorted to trashing eachother badly yet. I respect everyones opinions still.. just wanted to say

 

[ChronJohn]

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[grapeman]

yea I'm a libertarian too, but I also believe in free markets and a market where the government bans production and distribution but not possession is not free at all, it's stupid and leaves the black market fully intact. The only decriminalization option that I would support in place of a legal market would have to allow 1) home growing with no limit and 2) sharing amongst friends.

BTW - you have one of the best avatars I've seen.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

yea I'm a libertarian too, but I also believe in free markets and a market where the government bans production and distribution but not possession is not free at all, it's stupid and leaves the black market fully intact. The only decriminalization option that I would support in place of a legal market would have to allow 1) home growing with no limit and 2) sharing amongst friends.

Well this bill is a start. we cant get what we want over night. We can change things over time though like we have done with mmj laws.

Also if cali legalizes, big tobacco wont jump right in. they have too much to lose. they have to wait a few years to see what the federal government does about it. In this time we can come up with our own private sector rating system like I said before.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2823361#post2823361

WE CAN DO IT. VOTE YES IN NOVEMBER

 

[Pantalicious]

Dear grapeman, I live in a country where the posession and consumption on ANY, and it really is, ANY drug is decriminalized, and, that doesn't mean a thing, as you can still be accused of being a drug dealer. We cannot grow our own herb, we can still be accused of being drug dealers. Of course you can prove your innocence but now explain that to the manager of the bank you work at if you're called for court. We still need to deal with criminals if we want to get something to smoke. Legalization is the only way to go and if you can only see the downsides of it, sorry bud but nothing we can do. We can only wish for and utopian socialist world.

 

[ChronJohn]

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[hippie_lettuce]

Well this bill is a start. we cant get what we want over night. We can change things over time though like we have done with mmj laws.

Also if cali legalizes, big tobacco wont jump right in. they have too much to lose. they have to wait a few years to see what the federal government does about it. In this time we can come up with our own private sector rating system like I said before.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2823361#post2823361

WE CAN DO IT. VOTE YES IN NOVEMBER

This is what I've been trying to say. There is really no way for us to get a bill that is wholly for the growers. There's always going to be a catch. Like someone said, it's a commodity. I'm all for loving the plant, but let's face it. This is the world we live in. Cannabis is not a vegetable, and can't be treated as such.