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[Bad_Replicant]

Yellowing in week 5 of 12/12

Yellowing in week 5 of 12/12

Any advice? My best plant has begun to rapidly yellow in the past few days. It is just entering week 5 of 12/12.

I am using LC mix #2 and fertilizer Recipe #1. I water with EWC tea. Should I supplement with something?

 

[santasapimp]

Hey sry for the essay its rly only 2-3 questions =]

im trying out base recipe #1 for an outdoor grow using feed recipe #1 bone/blood/kelp on a few girls . Aswell as trying out feed recipe #3 guano/kelp teas on a few girls but im having a few problems would rly appreciate your input

im gunna try feeding recipe #1 bone/blood/kelp for 2-3 girls

hopefully rain water and a once a week watering (plain h2o)
will suffice until harvest(only get to my farm on weekends)

but i usually have a problem with animals digging up my dirt when i use blood/bone so i was wondering if any of these would suffice for blood (im gunna use bone meal anyways)

alfalfa pellets (rabbit food, i could crush it up to release faster)
rabbit droppings (its still in the cage atm with shavings and pee so its not composted)

if there isnt an easy effective way to suffice the blood i will buy some.. not all my plants will be using feeding recipe #1 so i wont lose my hole crop if animals get nosy and itd be nice to follow your recipe precisely anyways

im also gunna try out your fav recipe #3 the guano/kelp teas bcuz ive nvr used tea and it seems simple and effective.i also have PSG and high p bat guano from last year, lots of it.

i will only be able to apply the tea once a week but im planning to use a mulch with high p bat guano and 10.10.2 PSG and i dont think my girls will get hungry

now my BIGGEST problem is, i cannot get my hands on maxicrop or liquid karma (im always looking though) they do sell a .3-.3-4 liquid kelp or seaweed extract i forget which would this work? and how would i use it

i know i can find and use kelp meal in the bone/blood/kelp recipe but can i use kelp meal in the guano teas aswell? also there are like 5 different brands of kelp meal wats a good npk to try and find

and instead of liquid karma im thinking mollasses will suffice to soak and start off the mediums and maybe in the teas aswell? also does it need to be black strap or just 100% pure molasses.

on a side note i was wondering if you think it would be a good idea to replace SOME ewc with shrimp compost like 1.5 parts ewc and .5 part shrimp compost in base soil recipe #1.

my reason for asking about shrimp compost is i have a big bag of it (doesnt smell so i assume its nicely composted) and ive heard good things about it, not to mention african ewc is much more expensive at 25$ for 20L and shrimp is 7$ for 30L (i would nvr try to replace the ewc just would like to substitute 20-50% to save cash and maybe improve my soil

this is an all outdoor grow, loving the big ol bulb in the sky

and thank you so much for sharing your information youve really made it easy and FUN to learn how to grow good dope. when im done ill definately burnone and then another and another.. =]

 

[Batboy]

Any advice? My best plant has begun to rapidly yellow in the past few days. It is just entering week 5 of 12/12.

I am using LC mix #2 and fertilizer Recipe #1. I water with EWC tea. Should I supplement with something?

Wow. K.J. answered your question a few hours before you asked it! go K.J.

Check out post #2326 like 5 posts ago.

 

[Bad_Replicant]

Wow. K.J. answered your question a few hours before you asked it! go K.J.

Check out post #2326 like 5 posts ago.

Well, not trying to be annoying, but as a first timer, I guess I don't know enough to apply his advice ("listen to your plant") to my situation. Specifically, is my plant is too yellow for 5 weeks of flowering?

If so, can I just supplement my normal Earthworm Casting tea with fish emulsion 5-1-1? I also have bloodmeal on hand.

Patience and knowledge are both very much appreciated!

edit to mention that this is a 55 day (approximately 8 week) variety...

 

[rasputin]

Bad Replicant, that yellowing is a bit earlier than you'd like it to be. A bit of N would at least help to slow down the plant cannabilizing itself to capture the remaining bits in the leaves & stems.

An alfalfa tea could be a good, a quick way to get the benefits. Or the bloodmeal you have on hand, either brewed or top dressed. A friend of mine that uses blood & bone meal has told me that they usually work better as top dressing than brewed in teas so he usually goes that route. I've never used them so maybe someone else can chime in about how much to use.

Based on who ya ask, that type of lightening/yellowing is preferred around the start of week 7 on a strain that takes a full 8 to 8 1/2 weeks. Some prefer it later, some earlier but with some strains finishing differently YMMV & this is all simply IMHO.

Do you happen to have any guanos? Fwiw, I'd use a bird guano like Peruvian that is 10-10-2 or a similarly balanced food source that doesn't skew too heavy to the N so that I can provide a decent amount to help curb the yellowing. A good hit of N will help slow that yellowing while providing P to keep things rolling along.

 

[Bad_Replicant]

Thanks for the post, rasputin. I will go out an purchase some guano tomorrow.

I found this recipe on page 1. Does it look like a good choice? Or is it too much, since my mix is pre-fertilized? My normal tea consists of only worm castings, Liquid Karma and molasses, both at 1 TBS/ gallon.

2/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
2/3 cup Earth Worm Castings
2/3 cup High P Guano (Indonesian or Jamaican)
5 tsp. Maxicrop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
(That makes the "dry mix". You can make all you want and save it to use later.)
Mix with water @ 2 cups of dry mix into 5 gallons of water to make the tea.
To that 5 gallons of tea add:
5 tbs. Liquid Karma
5 tbs. Black Strap Molasses
Use it to water with EVERY watering.

 

[cosmiccowboy]

i think ground and powdered are the same thing and i think sphagnum is fine.

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[Batboy]

Bad Replicant, that yellowing is a bit earlier than you'd like it to be. A bit of N would at least help to slow down the plant cannabilizing itself to capture the remaining bits in the leaves & stems.

An alfalfa tea could be a good, a quick way to get the benefits. Or the bloodmeal you have on hand, either brewed or top dressed. A friend of mine that uses blood & bone meal has told me that they usually work better as top dressing than brewed in teas so he usually goes that route. I've never used them so maybe someone else can chime in about how much to use.

Do you happen to have any guanos? Fwiw, I'd use a bird guano like Peruvian that is 10-10-2 or a similarly balanced food source that doesn't skew too heavy to the N so that I can provide a decent amount to help curb the yellowing. A good hit of N will help slow that yellowing while providing P to keep things rolling along.

Rasputin - I'm wondering if there is a reason why you wouldn't recommend that he use the fish emulsion 5-1-1 that he has on hand. I understand that plenty of organic growers stay away from commercial products, especially bottled nutes, but fish emulsion is certified natural and organic and I'm guessing would give the N boost he is looking for without having to buy anything new or brew up anything special. I'm not questioning the advice, I'm simply wondering if there is something wrong with his first approach?

 

[K.J]

Well, not trying to be annoying, but as a first timer, I guess I don't know enough to apply his advice ("listen to your plant") to my situation. Specifically, is my plant is too yellow for 5 weeks of flowering?

If so, can I just supplement my normal Earthworm Casting tea with fish emulsion 5-1-1? I also have bloodmeal on hand.

Patience and knowledge are both very much appreciated!

edit to mention that this is a 55 day (approximately 8 week) variety...

It looks a bit early to me as well. If it were me, I'd make a high N guano tea (with Liquid Karma, EWC and molasses added of course) and water with it the next few waterings.

What I did was put 2 tablespoons of high N bat guano (Indonesian) into 3 liters of water with 3-4 tablespoons of earth worm castings, 1 tablespoon each of molasses and LK and let it sit for a good 8 hours (no bubbling for me). Once done, I strained off the gunk using a small cheese cloth and watered the ladies with the remaining liquid.

It's a fairly weak tea as far as the guano goes, so I was able to water with it 3 times in a row to good effect. It slowed down the yellowing and now they're back in line with the time frame they're in (we're about 2 weeks from harvest now), so I can water with just LK, molasses and EWC from here until harvest!

 

[eastcoastbuds]

Hey Burn I love organics but havnt switched couse i dont want to go through all the trial and error like i did hydro so...i think you have convinced me. you say to use the tea every third watering??? so I just use plain water for two waterings then use tea on the third watering and repeat??

 

[xebeche]

eastcoast,

I know you didn't ask me, but I use teas mostly. When I "clear" water, I use a silica product (Pro-Tekt by Dyna Grow is the one I get) per the instructions on the bottle. I have found that it really helps keep things in check, and it is cheap. Scientifically, the silica not only helps the plant toughen up against bugs and molds, it works as a chelating agent (holds all the trace elements in the soil ionically for easy uptake). There are countless products with the same silica out there.

Hope this helps.

Sorry if this is a repeat, I've only read a few score of the posts on this thread.

 

[xebeche]

Bad Replicant,

I would put 1/4 cup of alfalfa meal per 5 gal of water and bubble that overnight to get the nitrogen up a bit. If you can get EM, I would use that follially as it can help get Nitrogen uptake directly into the leaves.

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[rasputin]

Rasputin - I'm wondering if there is a reason why you wouldn't recommend that he use the fish emulsion 5-1-1 that he has on hand. I understand that plenty of organic growers stay away from commercial products, especially bottled nutes, but fish emulsion is certified natural and organic and I'm guessing would give the N boost he is looking for without having to buy anything new or brew up anything special. I'm not questioning the advice, I'm simply wondering if there is something wrong with his first approach?

No particular reason. And nothing wrong with questioning the advice, we're all here to learn.
And to your 2nd question, there's nothing wrong with that approach. I don't use it even though I do have a bottle of it. I just feel others who use it consistently can offer better insight into its applications than I can.

 

[vonforne]

Thanks for the reply Von. Yeah it is about 6-7 days for the soil to dry out enough for another watering throughout flowering. Is this normal throughout?

throughout flowering that is not what you want. What is the root development like? I bet they are a little thin. Sound like you need to increase the perlite amount or water less until you get it figured out. Plants do not like wet feet. It will hurt your yeild.

Have you taken notes well?

Get back with me on this.

V

from seed,how many leaves should a plant have on it before it's put into lc's mix with recipe #1 ....?....they are 14 days old and one of them has 14 leaves on it..

Watch you plants. If the bottom leaves are starting to yellow a bit give them a EWC slurry and transplant. Or transplant and just give them fresh water. I would go with the first choice though.

So I’m going to try out LC’s soil less mix #1 and had a couple questions.
I found “ground” dolomite lime. Is that okay instead of using “powdered”?
Also, does the Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss have to be “Canadian”?

I found “ground” dolomite lime

That is fine.

Also, does the Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss have to be “Canadian”?

No

V

 

[vonforne]

I have been vegging using LC Mix #2 and Recipe #1; each recipe was closely followed with no subsitutions or corners cut. Plants have gotten only water mixed with a bit of Liquid Karma and occassional mollasses. I have been very happy with the results so far -- thanks to the knowledgable folks on this board.

I will be flipping to 12/12 in about a week and I wanted to know if there is anything special I should be doing with respect to supplementing or boosting ferts for the stretch and flowering. The reason that I picked Recipe #1 was because I don't want to be brewing up any potions or teas, I want to keep it simple. I do have on hand dry EWC, dry Budswell (0-7-0), an unopened bottle of liquid Maxicrop and Neptune's Harvest fish/seaweed (2-3-1). I just don't know if I should be using any of these.

Should I be feeding anything extra now before flipping or shortly after flipping in preparation for the stretch and ultimate P uptake in flowering? Or am I better off waiting for the plant to 'tell' me it needs something extra?

Thanks

For the first 2 weeks of flower use the Neptune´s Harvest with seaweed and water in. In the third week I would scrath the soil and top dress with one TBS per container and water in. 1 TBS should last about 1 week. Budswell is good shit!

Keep us posted.

Von

 

[vonforne]

Well, not trying to be annoying, but as a first timer, I guess I don't know enough to apply his advice ("listen to your plant") to my situation. Specifically, is my plant is too yellow for 5 weeks of flowering?

If so, can I just supplement my normal Earthworm Casting tea with fish emulsion 5-1-1? I also have bloodmeal on hand.

Patience and knowledge are both very much appreciated!

edit to mention that this is a 55 day (approximately 8 week) variety...

Hey BR, sorry for the delay. I am swamped now.

Make a EWC and fish emulsion tea ar just make a ´Slurry`and water in or scratch in the EWC on the soil surface and water in but I think the fish emulsions will help wonders.

Patience and knowledge are both very much appreciated!

That is correct! Good observation.

Hope that helps.

Von

 

[vonforne]

Thanks for the post, rasputin. I will go out an purchase some guano tomorrow.

I found this recipe on page 1. Does it look like a good choice? Or is it too much, since my mix is pre-fertilized? My normal tea consists of only worm castings, Liquid Karma and molasses, both at 1 TBS/ gallon.

You do not want to use all that now. That tea will be too much this late in flowering.

Your plants just need a little to slow the yellowing down a bit.

But for the next round.....prepare now.

Good job on this first grow man.

Von

 

[vonforne]

Hey Burn I love organics but havnt switched couse i dont want to go through all the trial and error like i did hydro so...i think you have convinced me. you say to use the tea every third watering??? so I just use plain water for two waterings then use tea on the third watering and repeat??

That is correct. Follow the recipe!

V

 

[vonforne]

Wow, I hope I got to everyone, I got behind this week.. If I didn´t let me know.

Thaks to allwho stepped in to help out.

V

 

[xebeche]

Vonforne,

You mentioned over watering. Is that possible in smart pots?

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