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Spider mites and raw neem oil: let's roll.

mad librettist

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that's too bad, you seemed interested. I will do what I can then, to research it. If the mites come back, I will try seventh generation dish soap, lavender flavor, at a concentration of 1/2tsp per quart.
 

mad librettist

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I have two brands of insecticidal soap but it is usually reserved for food crops. I can use it though.

But the reason I chose this dish soap is that I know it to be safe at that dose when used with neem oil, and I wanted to use a household item. If controlling spider mites is so easy the pesticide can be plain soap, why are we not reserving neem oil for resistant colonies?
 

DARC MIND

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why are we not reserving neem oil for resistant colonies?
i like using garlic, soap, strong scented herbs, oil and companion plants first before considering neem. but i do use neem before i flower ganja, i prefer to use an arsenal of natural deterrents before considering using neem on problem crops.
my plant and soil health are the most important prevention method and im ok with letting some plants in the garden get attacked by critters to attract beneficials.
 

mad librettist

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my mites were as bad as this guy's and I followed the exact same plan of attack. Setting reminders on the calendar is key. I see an occasional leaf with spot now, but it's very much under control and manageable.

I was surprised to hear from a family member who used to market pesticides to farmers that he uses plain old dish soap and water to control spider mites on his plants when he takes them in for the winter. And here I am, all organic this and that, and I am the one doing overkill?

Anyway, I like the smell of neem, and the plants don't mind, so I just keep on spraying once a week, albeit a very low dose.

i was just contemplating that I am still mite free. I have not been using neem oil since.

neem oil is no joke.
 

C21H30O2

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how close to harvest can i use this method without affecting flavor or odor?
 

mad librettist

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the soap or the neem? I imagine I would not want neem residue on buds at all.

soap maybe. Does dissolve anything crucial?

And don't forget plain water. I didn't just use neem. Every day I misted heavily, up to three times a day. It should slow them down on its own.
 

EddieShoestring

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good info in this thread. I've been using neem oil for a few years on my plants. I've also made teas from the leaves and used as a foliar. I'm struck by how the application rates vary (not sure if tsp=a tablespoon or teaspoon). I've been using 10ml/L with one drop of washing up liquid-it definatly greens them up

eddieS
 

hoosierdaddy

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Put a drop of neem and then a drop of dishsoap on your tongue and see what you like best. lol...neither are real good tasting things, but I would much rather have neem on a bud than any soap at all.
Soap tastes nasty no matter what. It is not something you want to smoke.
Soap only serves as a surfactant anyway, and nothing else at all. Most dilutions of neem and water take care of the surface tension just fine without adding soap.

If yu are near harvest and have mites, try using Spinosad. It may be hard to find, but it will kill them and not leave any residue at all. OMRI

If you do use neem at the last days, just take all the freshly trimmed buds and wash them in water. It will wash all the crap, and dead bug carcasses, off and wont hurt a thing.
 

Bruce_Lee

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WTF!? "...wash harvested buds" ? Wouldn't that make for a mildewy disaster???!

How long can plants be neemed into the bloom phase?

I use Coco Wet, instead of soap!
 

Lazyman

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Floramite SC mixed with Dutch Master Saturator makes it a systemic poison, and kills both mites AND eggs. Nothing else can do this, and it's cheap and effective. Only time I got mites in my last run was when I forgot to spray every 3rd week.
 

mad librettist

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Only time I got mites in my last run was when I forgot to spray every 3rd week.

what time of year? if you make note of the conditions leading to infestation, you can target your prevention.
 

DARC MIND

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when foliar spraying with anything, neem, soap or what ever in mid to late flower, then do your best to avoid the buds.
your best bet would be predator insects like lady bugs or pray mantises or others. young larva lady bugs or finding the older ones in diapause (usually in the mountains on woody material) would be your best bet..
also you can breed and raise manitids, ther pretty dope pets and you can buy exotic kick ass looking ones too. im thinking of picking up this hobby because i help raise a few mantids in my own garden with ease..
pretty sick because they eat out of your hand plus i get a kick out of them devouring problem insects, the big pay back!
 

Lazyman

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No FLoramite isn't organic, but I don't care, I don't use or like organic ferts indoors anyway, and the organic pesticides are all crap compared to Floramite IMHO.

My environment was not a factor, I've had them in all seasons and all types of grows, if there is air you can get mites.
 

Bruce_Lee

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I've never heard of a "manitid". What is it?

I'd like to see someone spray neem and not get the buds wet. NOT POSSIBLE IMO.
 

kmk420kali

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Just read this Thread...the first prob the OP had, with the plants not liking the spray...was because he used equal parts dish soap and neem...you only need a few drops per gallon (It only helps the Neem to not bead off the leafs...it helps it "Stick" to them)...but most of all, he was using Ultra Dawn...which is an Anti Bacterial...
You have to make sure you get plain ole dish soap...no Anti Bacterial--
 
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